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CDM-1NT & Rotel RB1080

I have a pair of CDM-1NT speakers rated for 120w max. I have a chance to get a clean Rotel RB1080 which is 200 wpc at 8 ohms. Would this be a bad match due to the overpowering? Thanks in advance.
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Hi guys!

I'm looking for a good and reliable internet seller for the Diamond Series or the 700 series who would ship them to Europe? Would appreciate a pm if there is someone you can recommend.

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I have a pair of CDM-1NT speakers rated for 120w max. I have a chance to get a clean Rotel RB1080 which is 200 wpc at 8 ohms. Would this be a bad match due to the overpowering? Thanks in advance.
I have a pair of CDM 1SE's and have been using them with an RB1085 with only 4 of 5 channels in use and never get close to stressing them or the amplifier nor am I seeing channel lights showing up and I watch movies at reference level regularly. You're just adding more clean power and if you aren't using them in a large auditorium I foresee no problems for you.



Good luck, add some floor standing speakers to get the most from that amp.


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I have a pair of CDM 1SE's and have been using them with an RB1085 with only 4 of 5 channels in use and never get close to stressing them or the amplifier nor am I seeing channel lights showing up and I watch movies at reference level regularly. You're just adding more clean power and if you aren't using them in a large auditorium I foresee no problems for you.



Good luck, add some floor standing speakers to get the most from that amp.


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Thanks for the reply Michael. I decided to try a Parasound 2125v2 that I scored for a great price. If it doesn't do the trick then it gets moved to the pool speakers since it can run down to 2 ohms and power multiple speakers.
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I have a B&W CM10 S2 that appears to have a blown midrange. The speaker makes now a rattling noise at certain frequencies, affecting certain dialogue and music. To verify it was the midrange, I ran a slow sweep with REW and you can hear smooth sound from the low end transition to rattling as the mid takes over from the woofers, then back to smooth sound when the tweeters kick in.

This occurred while listening to music at -6db or so. I am running an Emotiva XPA-DR3, which at 450w is higher than the speaker's rated peak power of 300w, however, I'm still a bit surprised I blew it out. I don't think -6db is extreme and I think others here probably run their CM10s just as hot. Has anyone heard of midranges being a problem on this line?

The B&W site says 5 year warranty for passive loudspeakers, so I guess this is covered - does anyone have experience with the B&W warranty process? Will I have to pack up the speaker and ship it somewhere? If so, would that be at my expense? What is the best option here?

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I have a B&W CM10 S2 that appears to have a blown midrange. The speaker makes now a rattling noise at certain frequencies, affecting certain dialogue and music. To verify it was the midrange, I ran a slow sweep with REW and you can hear smooth sound from the low end transition to rattling as the mid takes over from the woofers, then back to smooth sound when the tweeters kick in.

This occurred while listening to music at -6db or so. I am running an Emotiva XPA-DR3, which at 450w is higher than the speaker's rated peak power of 300w, however, I'm still a bit surprised I blew it out. I don't think -6db is extreme and I think others here probably run their CM10s just as hot. Has anyone heard of midranges being a problem on this line?

The B&W site says 5 year warranty for passive loudspeakers, so I guess this is covered - does anyone have experience with the B&W warranty process? Will I have to pack up the speaker and ship it somewhere? If so, would that be at my expense? What is the best option here?
I suggest asking your dealer or B&W directly.

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I have an extra pair of B&W CM8 towers from a previous home theater configuration that I'm trying to decide how to best utilize (or sell)...

I have a small sitting room in my house where I currently have a pair of CM1 S2 bookshelf speakers on stands and I'm wondering if the CM8 towers would be appropriate to replace them with. My concern is that the seating position is only about 4-feet from the speakers. Is 4-feet too close for the CM8s and would I be better off keeping the CM1s there?

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Rolled out the spikes on my pair of B&W 802 D3 today. I'm kind of surprised how big the effect of spikes vs the wheels had.

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I am considering a pair of 702 S2 speakers but I am not sure how much power I need to drive them. They will be used for music and movies. Also would appreciate any amp recommendations that include Atmos.

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I am considering a pair of 702 S2 speakers but I am not sure how much power I need to drive them. They will be used for music and movies. Also would appreciate any amp recommendations that include Atmos.
Are you looking to purchase a receiver or separates?
What’s your budget?

Without those details, my vote if you’re looking for a receiver would be the NAD T777 V3. It should have enough power to drive the 702 S2 and also has some of the best sound quality around at its price point in my opinion because of Dirac (it has incredible SQ even without Dirac). Check out the recent AVS Forum Review if you want to know more about it.

The thing about the 702 S2 that’s tricky (same with lots of B&W speakers) is that it digs down to 3ohms regularly. The T777v3 should be able to handle this without issue but a bigger amp like the Emotiva XPA or Monoprice Monolith would be an even better fit for you to upgrade to at some point.

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Are you looking to purchase a receiver or separates?
What’s your budget?

Without those details, my vote if you’re looking for a receiver would be the NAD T777 V3. It should have enough power to drive the 702 S2 and also has some of the best sound quality around at its price point in my opinion because of Dirac (it has incredible SQ even without Dirac). Check out the recent AVS Forum Review if you want to know more about it.

The thing about the 702 S2 that’s tricky (same with lots of B&W speakers) is that it digs down to 3ohms regularly. The T777v3 should be able to handle this without issue but a bigger amp like the Emotiva XPA or Monoprice Monolith would be an even better fit for you to upgrade to at some point.
I was planning to use my Denon 4300 but I'm not sure it has enough power for the speakers. I could add a 2 channel power amp if I had to. I am retired and the speakers are stretching my budget. If the NAD T777 has enough power, I should be ok.

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I was planning to use my Denon 4300 but I'm not sure it has enough power for the speakers. I could add a 2 channel power amp if I had to. I am retired and the speakers are stretching my budget. If the NAD T777 has enough power, I should be ok.
Give the Denon a try and see what you think of how it sounds given that you already own it. Set it up in bi-amp configuration and run separate pairs of speaker cables between your 702 S2s and the Denon (just make sure to re-assign your amps accordingly in the Speakers menu). Also, make sure to run Audyssey... then make your decision about whether the speakers seem strained and need more power (this is a good solution).

I couldn't tell if you have a Denon X4300H or a Denon X3400H because your post says one thing and your signature says another, but regardless, both of those receivers support Atmos and Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

If you're going to buy another amp for your fronts right now, I'd advise being strategic about it though so that you can also make sure you have amps available for Atmos channels if you're thinking about doing that (you mentioned Atmos in your previous post).

If you ultimately do just want a more powerful/cleaner/budget 2-channel amp to use with your Denon, then I'd recommend checking out the 150W $420 Emotiva A-300 (better): https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-300
...or, a 200W $900 refurbished Monoprice Monolith 3-channel (best) that you could also use with your center speaker: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=30877

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Give the Denon a try and see what you think of how it sounds given that you already own it. Set it up in bi-amp configuration and run separate pairs of speaker cables between your 702 S2s and the Denon (just make sure to re-assign your amps accordingly in the Speakers menu). Also, make sure to run Audyssey... then make your decision about whether the speakers seem strained and need more power (this is a good solution).

I couldn't tell if you have a Denon X4300H or a Denon X3400H because your post says one thing and your signature says another, but regardless, both of those receivers support Atmos and Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

If you're going to buy another amp for your fronts right now, I'd advise being strategic about it though so that you can also make sure you have amps available for Atmos channels if you're thinking about doing that (you mentioned Atmos in your previous post).

If you ultimately do just want a more powerful/cleaner/budget 2-channel amp to use with your Denon, then I'd recommend checking out the 150W $420 Emotiva A-300 (better): https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-300
...or, a 200W $900 refurbished Monoprice Monolith 3-channel (best) that you could also use with your center speaker: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=30877
Thanks for your inputs. I have both amps (living room & mancave).

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I am considering a pair of 702 S2 speakers but I am not sure how much power I need to drive them. They will be used for music and movies. Also would appreciate any amp recommendations that include Atmos.
I have 702s for my side and rear surrounds. I recently moved 2 of them to front L/R for a few weeks to see how they compare to my 800 Diamonds. I am powering them off a McIntosh MC303 3 channel amp and they sing! I originally had the foam port plugs in and removing those improved the bass dramatically. I am really impressed with the 702s with good clean power from the Mac amps. I have a Rotel 200x5 amp that I am currently not using and will be moving my interconnects to that one next week or so to see how it compares to the Mac

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I am considering a pair of 702 S2 speakers but I am not sure how much power I need to drive them. They will be used for music and movies. Also would appreciate any amp recommendations that include Atmos.


I'm just running a 2.1 setup with 702s, REL T7i and Arcam SR250. Really satisfied with the quality. I'm giving them 125w of continuous Class G power.


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I was planning to use my Denon 4300 but I'm not sure it has enough power for the speakers. I could add a 2 channel power amp if I had to. I am retired and the speakers are stretching my budget. If the NAD T777 has enough power, I should be ok.
That Denon will be more than sufficient to drive the 702s2. People always think they need tons of power. I bet you never use more than 30 watts per channel average and that's massively cranking things.

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I have 702s for my side and rear surrounds. I recently moved 2 of them to front L/R for a few weeks to see how they compare to my 800 Diamonds. I am powering them off a McIntosh MC303 3 channel amp and they sing! I originally had the foam port plugs in and removing those improved the bass dramatically. I am really impressed with the 702s with good clean power from the Mac amps. I have a Rotel 200x5 amp that I am currently not using and will be moving my interconnects to that one next week or so to see how it compares to the Mac
I only have 802D3's not 800D3's but I also have an MC303 and 702S2's for rear surrounds. I was pretty impressed with the 702S2's in place of the 802D3's as well. I'm not selling my 802's to get additional 702's but had I already owned the 702s2's I probably would not be upgrading to 802d3's. The 702's do lack the 3d staging of the 800 series for 2 channel music. But man the mid range quality is great on them.

Do your 800D3's sound as warm as your 702s2's?

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how do the 702s2 compare to the 705s2 with sub?

I plan on getting a 5.1.4 setup with 2x702 or 705 for the fronts, 2x706 (or 707) for surround and 1x HTM71 (all S2). They should be driven by a Marantz SR6013 or Denon AVR-X4500H.

I wonder if the 702 is worth it since I'm getting a subwoofer anyway or if the 705 would be enough? Will there be a difference when using it to listen music? (not even loud) The price difference between these two is not much, but I was just thinking that the placement of the 702 will be more difficult since the 3 bass driver can cause problems when having a rear wall with a window nearby.

and would it be worth it getting a dedicated stereo amp for the speakers that is used as preamp on the denon/marantz?

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how do the 702s2 compare to the 705s2 with sub?

I plan on getting a 5.1.4 setup with 2x702 or 705 for the fronts, 2x706 (or 707) for surround and 1x HTM71 (all S2). They should be driven by a Marantz SR6013 or Denon AVR-X4500H.

I wonder if the 702 is worth it since I'm getting a subwoofer anyway or if the 705 would be enough? Will there be a difference when using it to listen music? (not even loud) The price difference between these two is not much, but I was just thinking that the placement of the 702 will be more difficult since the 3 bass driver can cause problems when having a rear wall with a window nearby.

and would it be worth it getting a dedicated stereo amp for the speakers that is used as preamp on the denon/marantz?
The marantz / denon will drive the 702's fine. The 702's and 705's both seem to dig about as deep. Honestly both need a sub. The 702s2 has much better mid bass. It's a misconception that you get sub level bass out of any of these speakers. The 702 will just sound fuller.
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Hi all,

I'm super excited to get my 703 S2's and 706 S2's this weekend. Does anyone using this type of setup bi-wire there surround and back surround speakers? What sound can I expect using full range towers and bookshelf speakers in the back as opposed to using all bookshelf speakers for surround and surround back duty? Anyone use full range towers for their large home theater rooms(I mean large)? If so, where do you place them and do you elevate them a little bit to get the tweeters at the proper height? How does it sound? Thanks all and appreciate any feedback. :-)


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I only have 802D3's not 800D3's but I also have an MC303 and 702S2's for rear surrounds. I was pretty impressed with the 702S2's in place of the 802D3's as well. I'm not selling my 802's to get additional 702's but had I already owned the 702s2's I probably would not be upgrading to 802d3's. The 702's do lack the 3d staging of the 800 series for 2 channel music. But man the mid range quality is great on them.

Do your 800D3's sound as warm as your 702s2's?
I’ve been listening to the 800s daily for a year and a half. The 702s surprised me with their imaging. It’s crazy how your mind tells you the voice is coming from the center channel speaker and the soundstage is wide. Good music convinces you singer is right in front of you while everything else covers my 17’ wide front wall. You stare at the center channel and you swear she’s right in front of you!

I would say the 800s have the upper hand, literally. The mids and especially highs are buttery smooth. Like you said, if someone had the 702s they could be very happy with them! Not considering price however I wouldn’t choose the Carbon Dome 700 series over the Diamond Dome 800 series.

Also I have been testing the McIntosh amp hooked up directly to my AV8805 instead of my streaming sources going into the D1100 and C1100 tube pre-amp. Again totally surprised at just how good the AV8805 is!

A year + of 8805/D1100/C1100/MC303/800D3 listening to now 8805/MC303/702s it’s interesting to hear how good a $47,000 cheaper solution can sound! I don’t think anyone would say they cheaper option sounds better, but the law of diminishing returns definitely applies! I keep wanting to push my AV stand back against the wall but I am away changing stuff up and trying new things out. Makes for a room that is always a “work in progress”

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I'm super excited to get my 703 S2's and 706 S2's this weekend. Does anyone using this type of setup bi-wire there surround and back surround speakers? What sound can I expect using full range towers and bookshelf speakers in the back as opposed to using all bookshelf speakers for surround and surround back duty? Anyone use full range towers for their large home theater rooms(I mean large)? If so, where do you place them and do you elevate them a little bit to get the tweeters at the proper height? How does it sound? Thanks all and appreciate any feedback. :-)


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The 703S2 will just sound fuller than the 706S2's. You'd notice it mostly on music. But a lot of movies have music in them also and the front sound stage is very important for that. I'd say for movies it'll be close but it'll have a bit fuller sound but if you listen to music a lot you'll get a lot of benefit.

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The 703S2 will just sound fuller than the 706S2's. You'd notice it mostly on music. But a lot of movies have music in them also and the front sound stage is very important for that. I'd say for movies it'll be close but it'll have a bit fuller sound but if you listen to music a lot you'll get a lot of benefit.
Thanks for your comments markmon1. I have the Audyssey XT32 calibration to setup the speakers once they are placed. The 703 S2's will be facing each other as my left and right surrounds and the 706 S2's will be sitting on top of a bookshelf using Aperta isolation stands. My guess is Audyssey may calibrate the 703 S2's as Large and Full Range as well due to the size of the speaker. I'm running 2 subs as well so I'm hoping that it will all blend in nicely together. I hear you for the music portion using the multichannel stereo on my Marantz AV8805. I was wondering if my front and rear height speakers though would get dominated by the larger speakers. Essentially I have a 7.2.4 setup. Thoughts?

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Thanks for your comments markmon1. I have the Audyssey XT32 calibration to setup the speakers once they are placed. The 703 S2's will be facing each other as my left and right surrounds and the 706 S2's will be sitting on top of a bookshelf using Aperta isolation stands. My guess is Audyssey may calibrate the 703 S2's as Large and Full Range as well due to the size of the speaker. I'm running 2 subs as well so I'm hoping that it will all blend in nicely together. I hear you for the music portion using the multichannel stereo on my Marantz AV8805. I was wondering if my front and rear height speakers though would get dominated by the larger speakers. Essentially I have a 7.2.4 setup. Thoughts?

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My thoughts are that 7.2.4 is not worth anything over 5.2.4 to the main listener. It may help if you have rear rows for other audience members. I would suggest that a set of 702S2 in 5.2.4 is superior to main listener than 7.2.4 with 703S2 and 706S2.

But that aside, I thought you were using 702S2 as your front left right not as surrounds. What is your front left and rights? I wouldn't run 703S2 as "large" because your subs will still do better from 20hz-40hz. Ideally, you have more than "small and large" to choose from so you can set a crossover point like 50hz or something. Better floor speakers will not overpower ceiling speakers. You never want to be limited by your least common denominator. I prioritize theater speakers like this:

1) Center channel. Put all your $$ into this. A setup of an HTM1D3 center + 4 m1's because you're out of money is going to do better for theater than a setup with an HTM71 and 4 706S2. Likewise, if you already have super awesome left / right fronts to start with like 800D3's or something, you would be better off having no center and going phantom center than adding a cheaper one like HTM71. Always quality over quantity.

2) After center, I'd prioritize subwoofer

3) After sub, front left right get next priority.

4) After that, surrounds get priority. I prioritize better quality over quantity. 5.1.4 is as good as 7.1.4 for main listener. I wouldn't ever settle on worse surrounds so I could get 4 instead of 2.

5) After that is ceiling speakers.

6) Last of all is rear surrounds

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My thoughts are that 7.2.4 is not worth anything over 5.2.4 to the main listener. It may help if you have rear rows for other audience members. I would suggest that a set of 702S2 in 5.2.4 is superior to main listener than 7.2.4 with 703S2 and 706S2.

But that aside, I thought you were using 702S2 as your front left right not as surrounds. What is your front left and rights? I wouldn't run 703S2 as "large" because your subs will still do better from 20hz-40hz. Ideally, you have more than "small and large" to choose from so you can set a crossover point like 50hz or something. Better floor speakers will not overpower ceiling speakers. You never want to be limited by your least common denominator. I prioritize theater speakers like this:

1) Center channel. Put all your $$ into this. A setup of an HTM1D3 center + 4 m1's because you're out of money is going to do better for theater than a setup with an HTM71 and 4 706S2. Likewise, if you already have super awesome left / right fronts to start with like 800D3's or something, you would be better off having no center and going phantom center than adding a cheaper one like HTM71. Always quality over quantity.

2) After center, I'd prioritize subwoofer

3) After sub, front left right get next priority.

4) After that, surrounds get priority. I prioritize better quality over quantity. 5.1.4 is as good as 7.1.4 for main listener. I wouldn't ever settle on worse surrounds so I could get 4 instead of 2.

5) After that is ceiling speakers.

6) Last of all is rear surrounds
I'm using 702 S2's as front left and right, HTM71 S2 for centre and 2 SVS SB13 Ultra subs and soon the surrounds and back surrounds I mentioned earlier. I really appreciate your thoughts on the 5.2.4 and yes it may be better sounding, however at the moment I'm content with my 7.2.4 setup and how it sounds as well and I dont have any plans to downgrade. :-)

Would the Audyssey XT32 calibrate the 703 S2's as Large though is my concern or would I need to manually set them up using a SPL meter instead?

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I'm using 702 S2's as front left and right, HTM71 S2 for centre and 2 SVS SB13 Ultra subs and soon the surrounds and back surrounds I mentioned earlier. I really appreciate your thoughts on the 5.2.4 and yes it may be better sounding, however at the moment I'm content with my 7.2.4 setup and how it sounds as well and I dont have any plans to downgrade. :-)

Would the Audyssey XT32 calibrate the 703 S2's as Large though is my concern or would I need to manually set them up using a SPL meter instead?

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Hey I wasnt talking about *downgrading* anything. I was suggesting your setup with 4x 702S2 is an *upgrade* to 702S2x2, 703S2x2, 706S2x2. But if you already have the equipment paid for and returns are out of the picture, I understand. It's pretty subjective. I think a lot of people have it in their head that they need 7.x.4 and don't realize that 5.x.4 with better speakers may sound better.

Also, I think the HTM71 center is really disappointing as a center. Have you tried going into your receiver and telling it you have no center? Try this for kicks. It may sound better making a phantom center out of the 702s2 and that experiment costs you nothing.

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Hey I wasnt talking about *downgrading* anything. I was suggesting your setup with 4x 702S2 is an *upgrade* to 702S2x2, 703S2x2, 706S2x2. But if you already have the equipment paid for and returns are out of the picture, I understand. It's pretty subjective. I think a lot of people have it in their head that they need 7.x.4 and don't realize that 5.x.4 with better speakers may sound better.

Also, I think the HTM71 center is really disappointing as a center. Have you tried going into your receiver and telling it you have no center? Try this for kicks. It may sound better making a phantom center out of the 702s2 and that experiment costs you nothing.
I'm ok with what I have and dont plan too change anything. Thanks for your comments.

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Hi B&W group. I would like some advice on the better surround speaker choice from the CM S2 folks. I have a pair of CM10 S2 for the fronts, and a CM center2 S2. These will be driven by a new Yamaha A3080 or perhaps the Pioneer LX901 soon enough to have a 5.2.2 set up. Hope to swap out my old Infinity surrounds and figured I'd shop the used market for a pair of CM5 S2's. But for some reason I'm not finding any but there are plenty of CM1 S2's. Should I be patient and wait for the 5's or just go ahead and use the 1's?
I do jam some DVD rock concerts from time to time so the volume will be needed.

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Hi B&W group. I would like some advice on the better surround speaker choice from the CM S2 folks. I have a pair of CM10 S2 for the fronts, and a CM center2 S2. These will be driven by a new Yamaha A3080 or perhaps the Pioneer LX901 soon enough to have a 5.2.2 set up. Hope to swap out my old Infinity surrounds and figured I'd shop the used market for a pair of CM5 S2's. But for some reason I'm not finding any but there are plenty of CM1 S2's. Should I be patient and wait for the 5's or just go ahead and use the 1's?
I do jam some DVD rock concerts from time to time so the volume will be needed.

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