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Better for 80 % home theater 804s or 803s? Or do I do 805s since the room is only 12x12?
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In my opinion (and based on experience); if you are able to keep similar distance between the speakers (L,R) as the distance from each speaker to MLP (main listening position) - bigger is ALWAYS better. My room is bigger, but area for my setup is 14x14 (I have 802D3, HTM2D2, 803D2, 804D2, 805D2, SCMS, 2 * DB1 and 9 * Piega AP 1.2

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703 / 705 replacement tweeter

I looked high and low for a couple of replacement tweeters for the 703 / 705 (HF00129). They are shown as out of stock on the B&W parts site and other sites show no longer available.

Does anyone have any ideas on where to find a replacement or equivalent.

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Better for 80 % home theater 804s or 803s? Or do I do 805s since the room is only 12x12?


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I have had the pleasure in my B&W journey to own both of those speakers. Started out with the 804S and later upgraded to the 803S. While both are great, the larger speaker will provide a fuller sound due to its larger drivers and cabinet. The soundstage also benefits from this. However, because of your room size you may find it more difficult to position correctly to achieve the best bass from the 803S. If you will not be using any form of eq'ing, I would do the 804S in that size room personally. I had 803S in a 17x12 room and found it to be too much.
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I have had the pleasure in my B&W journey to own both of those speakers. Started out with the 804S and later upgraded to the 803S. While both are great, the larger speaker will provide a fuller sound due to its larger drivers and cabinet. The soundstage also benefits from this. However, because of your room size you may find it more difficult to position correctly to achieve the best bass from the 803S. If you will not be using any form of eq'ing, I would do the 804S in that size room personally. I had 803S in a 17x12 room and found it to be too much.
I would be doing the 803D3's and the HTM1, then probably just using M1's as Surround Speakers. Will probably utilize Rotel separates.

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I would be doing the 803D3's and the HTM1, then probably just using M1's as Surround Speakers. Will probably utilize Rotel separates.
Even better... you will love them! I myself have stopped upgrading and will be content for a very long time with the 802D3/HTM1D3/CWM8.3D setup.

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Hello,

I got B&W S684 s2 front speakers (mini towers) that i would like to add a power amp to. I m currently using them for music & HT powered my a NAD T758 V3 avr.

The speakers are rated at max 150w @ 8 ohms Sensitivity is 87dB spl (2.83V, 1m) according to the spec sheet. Was considering a the Rotel RB 1552 mk2 power amp which is 130w @ 8 ohms.

Will they be a good match? won't be upgrading these speakers for a very long time.


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Tonight I figured out the issue of my left speaker playing at a lower level than the right speaker. It turned out to be a faulty rca cable hooked up to my DAC that was the culprit all along. I would listen to stereo in HDMI mode through my computer and I noticed all was ok. So I checked my connections in the back of my preamp and ensured it was hooked up to the 7.1 analog Front L and R inputs. Confirmed it. Then I moved my DAC and the left speaker all of a sudden kicked in and then went low again. So I deduced it to a bad rca cable. I swapped out the left rca cable to another of the same cable brand and voila the centre image returned in the analog Front L speaker and all was right with the world again. Cant believe it took me this long to figure it out. Anyways, thats my story and I am sticking to it. Thanks for the suggestions.

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I'm glad you eventually figured it out. My experience when faced with situations like yours is that it is either because of a problem with the speaker or with a cable somewhere in the series. If swapping speaker cable/wire between the R and L speakers is a quick way of figuring out if the speaker is the issue or if it is a cable connection problem. Enjoy your speakers now.

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I got B&W S684 s2 front speakers (mini towers) that i would like to add a power amp to. I m currently using them for music & HT powered my a NAD T758 V3 avr.

The speakers are rated at max 150w @ 8 ohms Sensitivity is 87dB spl (2.83V, 1m) according to the spec sheet. Was considering a the Rotel RB 1552 mk2 power amp which is 130w @ 8 ohms.

Will they be a good match? won't be upgrading these speakers for a very long time.


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The NAD T758 V3 is a solid AVR. What seems to be lacking that you are considering a separate amp?
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The NAD T758 V3 is a solid AVR. What seems to be lacking that you are considering a separate amp?
For music listening it seems good but when using for HT, since the nad is 60w x 7 channels, it makes me feel the fronts will be not getting that much power. Adding a power amp will give the fronts speakers adequate power too for HT usage.

I could be wrong though..


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For music listening it seems good but when using for HT, since the nad is 60w x 7 channels, it makes me feel the fronts will be not getting that much power. Adding a power amp will give the fronts speakers adequate power too for HT usage.

I could be wrong though..


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Sure. Is is not loud or dynamic enough? Those speakers have limited output but if they're in a large room an external amp may help. If it were me, I wouldn't want to spend too much on external amplification. The amp you're considering is of high quality though.

Another thought would be to pick up some used 683 S2s or CM S2 series speakers instead depending on what the price of the amp may be.

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All I've got the 703 s2. Love them. But I still have my old LCR60 s3 center. What do you think should I upgrade to the 7 series center and should I go HTM71 S2 or HTM72 S2 for the 703 s2. The HTM71 seems quite large and I'm wondering if they are more appropriate for the 702 than the 703.
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705 S2 vs 704 S2/703 S2 floor-standers is my dilemma. My closest Dealer only has 705 S2 for demo.
Any comparisons available please, if only opinion?
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Sure. Is is not loud or dynamic enough? Those speakers have limited output but if they're in a large room an external amp may help. If it were me, I wouldn't want to spend too much on external amplification. The amp you're considering is of high quality though.

Another thought would be to pick up some used 683 S2s or CM S2 series speakers instead depending on what the price of the amp may be.
the 683 s2 is very power hungry & will need a bigger amp then the Rotel RB1552 mk2.

I will surely will be under driving them for HT duties with the Nad T758 v3.

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the 683 s2 is very power hungry & will need a bigger amp then the Rotel RB1552 mk2.

I will surely will be under driving them for HT duties with the Nad T758 v3.
It seems you have a big room and like it loud enough to sustain reference levels then. Lucky me I have equally power hungry KEF R500/R200c/R100/R50 set of speakers and in my 13.5' x 19' x 7.5' room (half open to a 10' x 13' dining area) and the T758v3 can handle it without a problem. I run it under the reference levels though, generally -25dB or so.
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the 683 s2 is very power hungry & will need a bigger amp then the Rotel RB1552 mk2.

I will surely will be under driving them for HT duties with the Nad T758 v3.
The 683S2 is slightly more efficient than the 684s2 but both exhibit 3-4 ohm impedance dips. As long as you have a reasonably high current AVR or amp it shouldn't be a problem. I have owned the 683 S2s and the CM10 S2s in the past. They were both fine with a capable AVR and somewhat better with an external amp. At the time I had a Rotel RB-1582 MkII as well. Granted it is 200W but both the RB1552 and RB1582mkII are high current. Either one should have no problem driving either speaker (684s2 or 683s2) unless as Ken indicated you are listening very loud in a large room. Even then it should still be enjoyable at slightly less than reference levels.

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It seems you have a big room and like it loud enough to sustain reference levels then. Lucky me I have equally power hungry KEF R500/R200c/R100/R50 set of speakers and in my 13.5' x 19' x 7.5' room (half open to a 10' x 13' dining area) and the T758v3 can handle it without a problem. I run it under the reference levels though, generally -25dB or so.
well room is 16 x 18 ceiling is 10 ft high, well at 25db it nots enough for me to watch HT for sure. Need it at least on 20db to find it good.
Music in normal stereo is fine even on 27db, nice & loud too. Guess in HT usage the Power amp will come to a better use?
Also i run my speakers on Large in the avr settings as i got 2 REL subwoofers connected through High Level connections.
Could be that is taking the juice from the Nad avr?


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well room is 16 x 18 ceiling is 10 ft high, well at 25db it nots enough for me to watch HT for sure. Need it at least on 20db to find it good.
Music in normal stereo is fine even on 27db, nice & loud too. Guess in HT usage the Power amp will come to a better use?
Also i run my speakers on Large in the avr settings as i got 2 REL subwoofers connected through High Level connections.
Could be that is taking the juice from the Nad avr?


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There's your issue right there. Most recommendations are to set the main speakers to small with a 60hz-100hz crossover so the mains don't demand the power it takes to run full range with a subwoofer there to do it. Most subs used in HT applications don't even have high-level inputs because they use the LFE output of the AVR for the digital LF signal and convert it.

Don't your Rel subs have an LFE input? Which models?

Your room is much larger than mine and you probably do need a 100-150 watt per channel power amp to have the headroom needed.
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I'm glad you eventually figured it out. My experience when faced with situations like yours is that it is either because of a problem with the speaker or with a cable somewhere in the series. If swapping speaker cable/wire between the R and L speakers is a quick way of figuring out if the speaker is the issue or if it is a cable connection problem. Enjoy your speakers now.

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Thanks Cal68. Me too I'm glad that the problem ended up revealing itself by moving my DAC too. Whew. Yep, back listening to my Marantz in Pure Direct mode with the centre imaging playing once again.


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well room is 16 x 18 ceiling is 10 ft high, well at 25db it nots enough for me to watch HT for sure. Need it at least on 20db to find it good.
Music in normal stereo is fine even on 27db, nice & loud too. Guess in HT usage the Power amp will come to a better use?
Also i run my speakers on Large in the avr settings as i got 2 REL subwoofers connected through High Level connections.
Could be that is taking the juice from the Nad avr?


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That information is very illuminating. It doesn't surprise me that the NAD is running out of "juice" as in that config you're running the 684 s2s in full range in a large room. For HT it would make more sense to use a crossover of 80 Hz. Otherwise, a "badass" amp might be in order.

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There's your issue right there. Most recommendations are to set the main speakers to small with a 60hz-100hz crossover so the mains don't demand the power it takes to run full range with a subwoofer there to do it. Most subs used in HT applications don't even have high-level inputs because they use the LFE output of the AVR for the digital LF signal and convert it.

Don't your Rel subs have an LFE input? Which models?

Your room is much larger than mine and you probably do need a 100-150 watt per channel power amp to have the headroom needed.
they are Rel S2 subwoofers. Yes they have LFE input too for the low end LFE signal in movies. The subs are connected by High Level input as well as LFE input.

Thats how Rel recommends to connect it & music does sound better with the High Level input.


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they are Rel S2 subwoofers. Yes they have LFE input too for the low end LFE signal in movies. The subs are connected by High Level input as well as LFE input.



Thats how Rel recommends to connect it & music does sound better with the High Level input.





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Your RELs are absolutely not “taking any juice” away from your speakers via the high level connection.


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agree with you but running the front speakers on "Large" setting on my avr does take some power from the avr i feel.

Never said the Rel take any juice from the front speakers :-)
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I need you B&W owners advice on some in-walls. So the dealer had sold me on 3 Cinema 7s for my lcr in a dedicated home theater. Then I found 3 CWM 7.3s at Best Buy on sale for $699 each and pulled the trigger. Dealer now tells me the 7.3s are old models (which they likely are at that price) and won’t “match” the new B&W 663 surrounds he is using. He wants me to buy new Cinema 7s from him at $900 a piece so everything matches. Is he just trying to sell me speakers or is there really some truth to the “not matching” bit? I can’t imagine how it would matter that much on surrounds and the 7.3s are probably much better than the new Cinema 7s but looking your advice!
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agree with you but running the front speakers on "Large" setting on my avr does take some power from the avr i feel.

Never said the Rel take any juice from the front speakers :-)
I see what you are saying, lol, my bad, it was late last night.

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I need you B&W owners advice on some in-walls. So the dealer had sold me on 3 Cinema 7s for my lcr in a dedicated home theater. Then I found 3 CWM 7.3s at Best Buy on sale for $699 each and pulled the trigger. Dealer now tells me the 7.3s are old models (which they likely are at that price) and won’t “match” the new B&W 663 surrounds he is using. He wants me to buy new Cinema 7s from him at $900 a piece so everything matches. Is he just trying to sell me speakers or is there really some truth to the “not matching” bit? I can’t imagine how it would matter that much on surrounds and the 7.3s are probably much better than the new Cinema 7s but looking your advice!
My personal opinion is that your instinct is right and that you can stick with your 7.3's for your surrounds. I bought four B&W SCM1 wall mounted surrounds 20+ years ago when the old Nautilus line was available and I've been continuing to use them as my surrounds even though I have now upgraded to the 800 series D3 models. I've had my sound system calibrated by two different professionals who post on AVS Forum and neither one of them has ever commented that my 20+ year old surrounds do not "match" my much newer B&W 800 series D3 model LCR speakers. I suggest to keep the 7.3's and see what they sound like when you get your 663's. Let us know what you decide to do.

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My personal opinion is that your instinct is right and that you can stick with your 7.3's for your surrounds. I bought four B&W SCM1 wall mounted surrounds 20+ years ago when the old Nautilus line was available and I've been continuing to use them as my surrounds even though I have now upgraded to the 800 series D3 models. I've had my sound system calibrated by two different professionals who post on AVS Forum and neither one of them has ever commented that my 20+ year old surrounds do not "match" my much newer B&W 800 series D3 model LCR speakers. I suggest to keep the 7.3's and see what they sound like when you get your 663's. Let us know what you decide to do.

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I have a set of SCM1 (not currently connected, but might be again); and a set of SCMS (which I use for surround rear). Both match the new 800 D3 series and the previous 800 D2 series just fine (I have both).

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Can anyone recommend a AV Receiver to be used with B&W 606 bookshelf and B&W HTM72 speakers, and SB-2000 sub?

I am planning to start with 3.1 channels and eventually expand to more speakers in the future.


This is mainly for 80% movies and 20% music.

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agree with you but running the front speakers on "Large" setting on my avr does take some power from the avr i feel.

Never said the Rel take any juice from the front speakers :-)
Have you tried running your fronts as "small" and using an 80Hz crossover? You have powered subs so I'd bet it would actually sound better if you let them handle the bass duties and relieved your fronts of low frequency duties.

For what it's worth, I'm running a 5.1.2 B&W setup with the V1 703s as my fronts and I'm using an Anthem MRX 720 which puts out roughly the same power as your NAD all channels driven. I have them set to small with an 80Hz crossover running a single 12 inch sub. My room is about 14 X 21 with 8 foot ceilings and the Anthem can power everything to uncomfortable levels without issue.

Prior to getting the Anthem, I was running my fronts off of a Rotel RB-1080 at 2 X 200. There's no discernible difference in volume between the two amps, at least based on the volumes I listen (not reference but definitely loud enough to get a great HT experience). If there was not powered sub in the system, then yes, I'd want the additional power. With one though, I'd suggest trying a different configuration for your system before purchasing an external amp. The results may surprise you and save you some dough!
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integrated amp for 706 s2

Hi everyone,

So I'm looking o buy my first ever stereo system and was considering the 706 s2's. for budget reasons, i will be looking at an integrated amplifier to drive them.

Before you suggest a rotel, let me start by saying that I've already made some visits to hifi stores and listened the following integrated amplifiers:

- Naim Nait 5si
- Cambridge Audio CXA60
- Arcam SA10
- Rotel RC-1572

to be specific, I went to two stores, one only had the Naim and the other had the other three. from the Cambridge, the Arcam and the Rotel, I found that the Rotel was the least engaging to my ears, the Arcam had the most enjoyable sound and the Cambridge came as a close second with a more laid back presentation, and given that this lineup just got a refresh, I'm considering getting the newer CXA81. I'm worried though that the Arcam would be a bit fatiguing over long listening periods.

so here's my question, should I go with the Arcam, the Cambridge, or the Naim? knowing that the Naim is a bit more expensive then the other two.

Budget is $1000-$1500.
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Can anyone recommend a AV Receiver to be used with B&W 606 bookshelf and B&W HTM72 speakers, and SB-2000 sub?

I am planning to start with 3.1 channels and eventually expand to more speakers in the future.


This is mainly for 80% movies and 20% music.

Thanks
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