Originally Posted by markmon1
Have you spent time comparing phantom center to real center with 702S2 and HTM71? As I said, the HTM71 is an ok center. But the 702S2's outclass it. The 804D3's and HTM2D3's are a perfect match, but 802D3's via phantom center also outclass an HTM2D3 center. This means that the system still can sound great with the center added, but actually sounds superior with it removed. I'm a strong believer that if you're going to use a center, it needs to be your best speaker or at least equivalent to your best speakers otherwise you're better off without it.
My thinking is it just doesn't make sense to own 702S2's and then spend additional money to buy another speaker that actually results in a worse result than if you say bought nothing and went without. The 702S2's are quite warm sounding and can provide a decent amount of mid-bass chest slam. While the HTM71 is quite clear for dialog, it really can't provide the chest slam that the 702S2's provide.
My suggestion is anyone with 702S2 fronts should go phantom center and hold out until you can afford an HTM2D3 at minimum. 702S2 + no center > 702S2 + HTM71. 702S2 + HTM2D3 > 702S2 + no center.
Come on man .. you know phantom channel only works for the corner case when you have only one listening position. If you have a situation where there are two or three LPs that solution goes out of the door. I can guarantee you that in my room 802s acting as a center will NOT outperform my HTM2D3. You say that most people wont notice the lacking center channel - but i dont quite agree. My four year old when I took out the center (an old 600 series speaker) from my living room TV setup - said Dad why did you take out the speaker, i cant listen to what Rider (Paw Patrol reference!!!) is saying. This with two 705 S2s.
Most room EQs like Anthem which I believe you also have, will cross over the center at about 80 hz. HTM71 has an F3 of ~50Hz which is more than enough for a good subwoofer cross over and integration, and the HTM71 can easily and does cover the mid bass (140Hz - 300 Hz) quite well with its two drivers.
I dont need 'chest slam' from my center speaker - I need vocal clarity. If you want chest slam add more subwoofers
Irrespective the OP should listen to the HTM71 S2 and see if it is good or bad. For the two weeks or so I have HTM71 for a test drive I was perfectly happy with it. If it werent for my desire to upgrade my LR to the 800 series (for music), I would have kept the HTM71.
Also i said this earlier as well, HTM71 is 1500, HTM2D3 is 4000, thats a big price differential - and might not be everyone's cup of team. Plus HTM2 D3 is much bigger than HTM71, HTM1 is even bigger - so that might also not work for all use cases.
Look in the end its all subjective - so i am happy to agree to disagree. OP should listen to the HTM71 and see if it make sense or not for his own use case.