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My N802s have the same caps and I had similar issue. I didn't want to unscrew them all the way and break them, I used 1-2 small pick tools on mine and a good needle nose pliers.

Newer B&W can unscrew all the way.
That's why i asked here. I am trying to determine if i can unscrew the binding posts. I have already spent hours with various little tools and was only able to remove 2 of them.
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Arriving Sat May 16

Been without a center for 2 weeks. Been waiting for these almost 3 weeks.
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Been without a center for 2 weeks. Been waiting for these almost 3 weeks.
Nice! I just upgrade my CM9 s2 for the 702 S2 and center speaker like your, they really sound so good and good looking, used but like new
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Nice! I just upgrade my CM9 s2 for the 702 S2 and center speaker like your, they really sound so good and good looking, used but like new
Very nice setup! Man,I bet that room shakes! Is that an Oppo? I had the 105D and now I have the 203. Been thinking about the 607s for rear surround. I am in SoCal but my buddy lives in WA. Got a killer deal with no taxes from his HT store. Couldn’t pass it up.

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Very nice setup! Man,I bet that room shakes! Is that an Oppo? I had the 105D and now I have the 203. Been thinking about the 607s for rear surround. I am in SoCal but my buddy lives in WA. Got a killer deal with no taxes from his HT store. Couldn’t pass it up.
yes sir shakes especially with the PSB sub at the right side, sound really good tide bass, I do have Oppo 205 for most like music has very good dac with the XLR output, the 607s they're nice I use CM5 S2 for rear surround I love it.
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That's why i asked here. I am trying to determine if i can unscrew the binding posts. I have already spent hours with various little tools and was only able to remove 2 of them.
I mangled the inserts trying to get them out with pliers on my N802. In the end I used a paper clip, straightened out and bent into an L shape. With the post unscrewed as far as it'll go put the short end of the L into the hole that speaker wire would go in to and angle it so that it goes into the hole that the banana plugs would slide in to. By straightening the paper clip as it goes in you can push the plastic pins out. You only need a few mm before you can grab the ends.
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I mangled the inserts trying to get them out with pliers on my N802. In the end I used a paper clip, straightened out and bent into an L shape. With the post unscrewed as far as it'll go put the short end of the L into the hole that speaker wire would go in to and angle it so that it goes into the hole that the banana plugs would slide in to. By straightening the paper clip as it goes in you can push the plastic pins out. You only need a few mm before you can grab the ends.
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I mangled the inserts trying to get them out with pliers on my N802. In the end I used a paper clip, straightened out and bent into an L shape. With the post unscrewed as far as it'll go put the short end of the L into the hole that speaker wire would go in to and angle it so that it goes into the hole that the banana plugs would slide in to. By straightening the paper clip as it goes in you can push the plastic pins out. You only need a few mm before you can grab the ends.
Interesting, I had not thought of that. I will try it. Thanks!
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if you had the chance to pay $3k extra to go from 702s to 804s...worth it?
I've heard both in person...the 804s sounded better but idk if $3000 better.

Change my mind.
Yeah, I was at Magnolia and I had them go back and forth between the 804D3 and 702S2. Well, the 804 is just way "brighter" than the 702. I think I'd go with the 702, especially for extended listening periods.
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Hey everyone, hoping someone might be able to help with a bit of input on my current situation


I need to replace my CM Center 2 for two key reasons, firstly the tweeter has gone in it, but more importantly I have moved house since I originally purchased it way back when 2009 ish regardless the new room for my home theater is far smaller space at 3.1 meters wide x 4.23 Meters in length. This means space is now at a premium and I have re organized the AV units to be far more streamlined to keep the room from feeling to cluttered. This has had the side effect of meaning aesthetics has taken over an i would rather a center channel to fit within the AV cabinets space ( yes well aware of issues that can arise from this) that space is 210mm H x 745mm Wide meaning CMC2 isn't going to fit and the newer version is in the same boat.

Now I have for my mains a pair of CM9s and I am still more than happy with these speakers so was considering opting for the smaller HTM72 S2 however with the new drivers and carbon tweeter is it going to sound totally miss matched, in demoing the HTM72 in isolation it seems ok and far better than i recall the CMs smaller center back in the day however it raises the question considering HTM72 will probably not match the CM9s sound wise am i better off simply looking at another brand Center something that may be providing more bang for the buck so to say like the SVS Ultra ? or would you opt for one of B&Ws smaller center channels ?

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Given how close together your mains are now, have you considered running without a center (phantom center)?
I do that in my TV set-up with my 803Ss and I don't really miss it. It might help with your minimalist approach.
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Given how close together your mains are now, have you considered running without a center (phantom center)?
I do that in my TV set-up with my 803Ss and I don't really miss it. It might help with your minimalist approach.
Hi yes that was the first thing I did , however I find the listening experience rather compromised off center in a big way, i did try and correct for this moving the CMs out more with some toe in to try and tighten up the center image but am finding without the center channel in movies the only real nice way to watch is dead center and that means rather compromised experience for the main seat that is a 3 seater.
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First initial impressions with 2 channel music listening via Apple Music AirPlay: Wow, all I can say is wow!! I don’t know if I never paid that close attention before (thought I did) but now I know I here details I don’t think I heard before. So crisp, clear, and clean; even and loud volumes! I was a little worried about tweeter as I researched a lot and some folks stating it ran hot/high. When I demoed these I didn’t find this to be the case. I still don’t! If anything, tweeter is so nice! I get more tight and clean mid bass. Songs like Sanctified, Ringfinger by NIN rock!! Dia Del Sol is marvelous (Chris Spheetis). Se Preparo by Ozuna delights. Drown from Smashing Pumpkins really highlights the entire speaker capabilities. These little bookshelves fill my space beautifully. Lastly for now.. The Logical Song from Supertramp is niiiice- that mid bass!!! Still breaking them in and now waiting for my NAD 778 end of May to pair with!
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First initial impressions with 2 channel music listening via Apple Music AirPlay: Wow, all I can say is wow!! I don’t know if I never paid that close attention before (thought I did) but now I know I here details I don’t think I heard before. So crisp, clear, and clean; even and loud volumes! I was a little worried about tweeter as I researched a lot and some folks stating it ran hot/high. When I demoed these I didn’t find this to be the case. I still don’t! If anything, tweeter is so nice! I get more tight and clean mid bass. Songs like Sanctified, Ringfinger by NIN rock!! Dia Del Sol is marvelous (Chris Spheetis). Se Preparo by Ozuna delights. Drown from Smashing Pumpkins really highlights the entire speaker capabilities. These little bookshelves fill my space beautifully. Lastly for now.. The Logical Song from Supertramp is niiiice- that mid bass!!! Still breaking them in and now waiting for my NAD 778 end of May to pair with!
The 805 d3 are lovely, are you powering them through an avr for music??? If so get a good stereo amp or good power amp connected to the avr. You will get blown with the difference.



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The 805 d3 are lovely, are you powering them through an avr for music??? If so get a good stereo amp or good power amp connected to the avr. You will get blown with the difference.



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Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have room for any bigger equipment or to add on equipment; I wish I could!! So I think I'm doing the next best thing; I'm upgrading my Denon x4200w AVR to the new NAD T778 expected end of May. Based on specs and reviews, the NAD should liven things up a bit more.


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First initial impressions with 2 channel music listening via Apple Music AirPlay: Wow, all I can say is wow!! I don’t know if I never paid that close attention before (thought I did) but now I know I here details I don’t think I heard before. So crisp, clear, and clean; even and loud volumes! I was a little worried about tweeter as I researched a lot and some folks stating it ran hot/high. When I demoed these I didn’t find this to be the case. I still don’t! If anything, tweeter is so nice! I get more tight and clean mid bass. Songs like Sanctified, Ringfinger by NIN rock!! Dia Del Sol is marvelous (Chris Spheetis). Se Preparo by Ozuna delights. Drown from Smashing Pumpkins really highlights the entire speaker capabilities. These little bookshelves fill my space beautifully. Lastly for now.. The Logical Song from Supertramp is niiiice- that mid bass!!! Still breaking them in and now waiting for my NAD 778 end of May to pair with!
Nice setup sir, those 805s mmmhmmmm love them there on my bucket list one day.. one day.

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Nice setup sir, those 805s mmmhmmmm love them there on my bucket list one day.. one day.

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Thank you! I got a great deal from my buddy's Home Theater/Audio store. He's bought an entire dedicated home theater room from them and then upgraded his older BWs to 803s. The 805 D3s were also on my bucket list after listening to them a couple of times (along with the HTM71 S2 center). When I went to visit my buddy (he moved from SoCal to WA) his sales guy was finalizing calibrations on his new 803s and I just happened to start talking to him about the 805s. He said to let him know when I was serious. We made a deal right there and then (great deal and no taxes).
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Im planning to buy 804 d3's and htm2 d3 around Christmas this year.

Im wondering if am arcam a49. Class G 200 watts into 8 ohms. Their flagship 2 channel stereo amp will be able to drive the 804d3's properly as i have one now on my monitor audio gold 300's. will be using a marantz 8805 as well as my home cinema processor in the setup so marantz and arcam all round

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200W into 8 ohm is plenty of power for the 804s.
For about a year I drive mine from my Anthem MRX720 receiver which are 140W per channel and they really sang.

Congrats on 804 + HTM2 that’s a fantastic combo. If you can stretch it I would say get the HTM1.


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Hi Jez,

The A49 has plenty of power to drive 804D3s to loud volume levels. Not sure if that is what you mean by "properly."

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Im planning to buy 804 d3's and htm2 d3 around Christmas this year.

Im wondering if am arcam a49. Class G 200 watts into 8 ohms. Their flagship 2 channel stereo amp will be able to drive the 804d3's properly as i have one now on my monitor audio gold 300's. will be using a marantz 8805 as well as my home cinema processor in the setup so marantz and arcam all round

Any help is much appreciated
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Im planning to buy 804 d3's and htm2 d3 around Christmas this year.

Im wondering if am arcam a49. Class G 200 watts into 8 ohms. Their flagship 2 channel stereo amp will be able to drive the 804d3's properly as i have one now on my monitor audio gold 300's. will be using a marantz 8805 as well as my home cinema processor in the setup so marantz and arcam all round

Any help is much appreciated
That amp will do fine. So will your AVR to be honest.

Have you considered going with 805D3 + HTM1D3 over 804D3 + HTM2D3? Price wise, it's probably about the same. I prefer the 805D3's to the 804D3's (if you have a sub in the room) and the HTM1D3 really is a lot better than HTM2D3. If you are going for movies and games mainly, the 805D3 + HTM1D3 combos is better. If you're going for mostly music then it's sort of up in the air - I prefer the 805D3's for music over the 804D3's. The 805D3's are a bit warmer sounding than the 804D3's but have just as much detail. The HTM1D3 provides a bit more chest thump of mids than the HTM2D3 with all the same clarity.
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That amp will do fine. So will your AVR to be honest.

Have you considered going with 805D3 + HTM1D3 over 804D3 + HTM2D3? Price wise, it's probably about the same. I prefer the 805D3's to the 804D3's (if you have a sub in the room) and the HTM1D3 really is a lot better than HTM2D3. If you are going for movies and games mainly, the 805D3 + HTM1D3 combos is better. If you're going for mostly music then it's sort of up in the air - I prefer the 805D3's for music over the 804D3's. The 805D3's are a bit warmer sounding than the 804D3's but have just as much detail. The HTM1D3 provides a bit more chest thump of mids than the HTM2D3 with all the same clarity.

Agree for movies 805 + HTM1 might be better. For music I think 804 are better than 805 simply because they allow better sub integration and have more native bass.

I drove 804 with a Marantz 1504 and they sounded okay - with Anthem they sounded much better and dynamic, with my Monolith 7x they just sing! These speakers will take all the power you can throw at them - the diffeeence is now necessarily in loudness but the dynamics


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How to replace a woofer on N802

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I am the original owner of a pair of N802s that I love. However, I now have a buzz in one woofer. Does anyone have experience replacing a woofer on one of these speakers? Or know of a guide on how to do it? I removed the front plate and then the wood screws below, but the woofer didn't look like it was free to budge. Any help figuring out how to remove the misbehaving speaker would be greatly appreciated. I am ready to order a new one, but I want to make sure I know how to remove and replace the speaker. Thank you!
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I am the original owner of a pair of N802s that I love. However, I now have a buzz in one woofer. Does anyone have experience replacing a woofer on one of these speakers? Or know of a guide on how to do it? I removed the front plate and then the wood screws below, but the woofer didn't look like it was free to budge. Any help figuring out how to remove the misbehaving speaker would be greatly appreciated. I am ready to order a new one, but I want to make sure I know how to remove and replace the speaker. Thank you!
You need the tip of a flat head screw driver to pry it loose. Check the woofer surround or spider to see if has come loose and you can just glue it back.

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You need the tip of a flat head screw driver to pry it loose. Check the woofer surround or spider to see if has come loose and you can just glue it back.

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Thank you. I can't believe how tight it is!
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Thank you. I can't believe how tight it is!
Most speakers' drivers have a gasket between the driver's frame and the cabinet. With time, they become "as one" and to service or replace the driver you have to break that bond.

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Im planning to buy 804 d3's and htm2 d3 around Christmas this year.

Im wondering if am arcam a49. Class G 200 watts into 8 ohms. Their flagship 2 channel stereo amp will be able to drive the 804d3's properly as i have one now on my monitor audio gold 300's. will be using a marantz 8805 as well as my home cinema processor in the setup so marantz and arcam all round

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I have 805D's with HTM2D2 for fronts; my avr is an Arcam 850. I had been driving the fronts with an Emo XPA-3 @200 wpc each. I found the surrounds, driven by the Arcam avr, were more interesting to listen to than the fronts and decided to replace the Emo with an Arcam P349 with 180 wpc to see if the Arcam dimensionality came through driving all 3 fronts. Difference I notice is in soundstage and a sound that is more like a tube amp. The XPA-3 is not a bad amp either, but I have really become a believer in Arcam class G amps, at least as was being made when Arcam was Arcam; now, as Samsung?? I did notice a slight difference in slam due to the 20 wpc difference the 349, but a notch or so on gain more than made up for it. So, yeah the Arcam 49 will give you plenty of overhead and the surrounds will have more breathing room not having to share your avr amp with the fronts. Unfortunately, Arcam has discontinued most of the old FMJ line so if you find either a 49 or P349, go for it. No more on the way and they are major good amps.
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I have 805D's with HTM2D2 for fronts; my avr is an Arcam 850. I had been driving the fronts with an Emo XPA-3 @200 wpc each. I found the surrounds, driven by the Arcam avr, were more interesting to listen to than the fronts and decided to replace the Emo with an Arcam P349 with 180 wpc to see if the Arcam dimensionality came through driving all 3 fronts. Difference I notice is in soundstage and a sound that is more like a tube amp. The XPA-3 is not a bad amp either, but I have really become a believer in Arcam class G amps, at least as was being made when Arcam was Arcam; now, as Samsung?? I did notice a slight difference in slam due to the 20 wpc difference the 349, but a notch or so on gain more than made up for it. So, yeah the Arcam 49 will give you plenty of overhead and the surrounds will have more breathing room not having to share your avr amp with the fronts. Unfortunately, Arcam has discontinued most of the old FMJ line so if you find either a 49 or P349, go for it. No more on the way and they are major good amps.
i currently have a marantz 8805,Arcam A49 and 2 x Arcam P429 class G power amps in my setup. very lucky i have them as like you said its very difficult to find them now. i tried emotiva and rotel power amps before the arcam and the arcam just sounded absolutely the best
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Hi Jez,

The A49 has plenty of power to drive 804D3s to loud volume levels. Not sure if that is what you mean by "properly."

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thank you for the reply. yes i just meant to make them sing

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