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To all who owns AG Ref3/3.1 and upgraded to Ref3.5 is it worth it? I currently own one of last batch Ref3(the same internals as Ref3.1) before they change the model to Ref3.1 and increase the price. If I can sell my speakers base on the current used market now and add maybe $1000-$1500 I can get a used REf3.5. So what do you think guys? Is it worth it? Unfortunately I can not audition the speakers since it's out of state. To be honest I'm happy with the sound of my Ref3 but no experience comparing with the 3.5. Hopefully I can hear some feedbacks before I will decisions
I felt going from 3.1 to 3.5 was well worth it... YMMV

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I felt going from 3.1 to 3.5 was well worth it... YMMV

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Hoping you can answer me this. In your opinion how much better is 3.5 compared to 3.1(percentage wise) the highs-how many % better, mids-?% and lows-?%. To me if I have to nit pick my Ref3 I would have to say I wish the mids will be a little bit better/thicker and lows will be tighter. Thanks again for your input.
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Hoping you can answer me this. In your opinion how much better is 3.5 compared to 3.1(percentage wise) the highs-how many % better, mids-?% and lows-?%. To me if I have to nit pick my Ref3 I would have to say I wish the mids will be a little bit better/thicker and lows will be tighter. Thanks again for your input.
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Not sure I could give you a percentage rating on the improvement in the different frequency ranges. To be honest, to me, the most notable improvement was in the overall dynamics of the sound, there seemed to be greater difference between quiet and loud with more impact to the sound. The 3.1 seemed kind of flat and muffled in comparison to the 3.5.

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What kind of amp is people using with their Gallo Strada 2? I just bought a pair, so could use some recommendation
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I use nad t787 (5.1, 2xstrada, 3x a'diva, 1x tr3d


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If I am using the high level connection on my TR-3D subwoofer to connect to the strada 2, should I then use bypass or crossover on the sub?
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If I am using the high level connection on my TR-3D subwoofer to connect to the strada 2, should I then use bypass or crossover on the sub?
I had this conversation With AG:

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Congrats on purchasing the Strada 2’s, A’Diva SE’s & TR-3D. The Strada 2’s and the A’Diva SE’s all should connect to the NAD AV receiver. The TR-3D should connect to the NAD via subwoofer interconnect. The NAD will control the crossover for the speakers and the sub. Make sure to select bypass on the back of the sub. It should sound excellent. Please contact me with any further questions.

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Hi,

I recently bought myself some of your excellent speakers.
My setup is 5.1, mains 2x Strada 2, Center and surround 3x A’Diva SE, Sub TR-3D. All are driven by a NAD T787.

I mostly stream from my NAS via an Oppo 105D, the NAD and Oppo are connected 3 ways (5.1, 2.0 and HDMI) to get most out of my sources, especially from the great DAC in the Oppo. In order of importance these would be my priorities:
1. Classical music, stereo (40%) & quadraphonic (10%)
2. TV (30%)
3. Movies (10%)
4. Anything else (10%)
In a general sense, would you advise me to directly the Strada 2’s to the receiver or would connecting them via the TR-3D be a better idea? The internet suggests driving mains separately in general seems to be the best suggestion your A’Diva SE booklet states a preference for driving them via the subwoofer.
I don’t understand the pro’s and con’s so a little help and explanation is really welcome.

Thanks in advance!

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I am only using a regular amp with no bass management, so i guess it will be different in my case.
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Anybody here uses 3 Reference 3/3.1/3.5 speakers as their fronts (Left, Right & Center)? I wonder how does it perform specially the center channel compared to speakers specifically design for center channel. Thanks.
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Anybody here uses 3 Reference 3/3.1/3.5 speakers as their fronts (Left, Right & Center)? I wonder how does it perform specially the center channel compared to speakers specifically design for center channel. Thanks.
I use 5 Reference 3.5 speakers in my 5.1 channel set-up. I used to have the Strada for center and rear, but felt I was missing something, specially from the center channel with dialogue. Sounded tinny. I know the top half of the 3.5 speakers is the same as the Strada, but it really does sound different. It really made a big difference to change the center to the 3.5. And it's all powered by a monster Spectron Premiere 7-channel amp (500 watts x 7) - 2 channels are not used.

And with big speakers all the way around, I can get rid of bass management. And this is nice when playing DSD files since you don't need to convert to PCM for bass management.

Unfortunately, I'm currently moving into a small condo. I have my system up for sale on Audiogon and local Craigslist (Los Angeles). If it doesn't sell, I'll just put it in storage. I plan on being in the condo for a couple of years and then moving to a house (hopefully). On one hand, I'd hate to sell cause I know I'll use it later. But on the other hand, it takes up too much room to keep in a small condo or pay storage fees.

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I use 5 Reference 3.5 speakers in my 5.1 channel set-up. I used to have the Strada for center and rear, but felt I was missing something, specially from the center channel with dialogue. Sounded tinny. I know the top half of the 3.5 speakers is the same as the Strada, but it really does sound different. It really made a big difference to change the center to the 3.5. And it's all powered by a monster Spectron Premiere 7-channel amp (500 watts x 7) - 2 channels are not used.

And with big speakers all the way around, I can get rid of bass management. And this is nice when playing DSD files since you don't need to convert to PCM for bass management.

Unfortunately, I'm currently moving into a small condo. I have my system up for sale on Audiogon and local Craigslist (Los Angeles). If it doesn't sell, I'll just put it in storage. I plan on being in the condo for a couple of years and then moving to a house (hopefully). On one hand, I'd hate to sell cause I know I'll use it later. But on the other hand, it takes up too much room to keep in a small condo or pay storage fees.
Good to know that these AG reference speakers will perform well as center channel. I saw your ad and I was going to buy your 3 Ref speakers for my fronts and 1 SA amp but it was local pick up only. Thanks.
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The Strada Conundrum: These speakers are a delight with effortless treble once broken-in and a small footprint, combined with wide dispersion, that suits shared living area. And one or two subs located for best bass and a 80hz cross over and low bass is sorted. My issue is the mid bass - 80 to 160Hz - as I still find that in real rooms the Strada roll off at the 120-160Hz. One option is to collocate a sub with a higher x/o point but the discrete liveable form factor is then distorted. And thus the conundrum - getting mid-bass that matches the quality of the rest of the system without destroying the form factor.?
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The Strada Conundrum: One option is to collocate a sub with a higher x/o point but the discrete liveable form factor is then distorted. And thus the conundrum - getting mid-bass that matches the quality of the rest of the system without destroying the form factor.?
My only solution was to co-locate two (L/R) sealed SVS subs and XO @160Hz. Sounds fantastic.
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My only solution was to co-locate two (L/R) sealed SVS subs and XO @160Hz. Sounds fantastic.


Yes, I've got a similar solution but it does kind of diminish the form factor. Are you using x/o in the sub, receiver or external line level unit?
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My only solution was to co-locate two (L/R) sealed SVS subs and XO @160Hz. Sounds fantastic.
Yes, stereo subs, close to the Strada, higher crossover point. To me this was the big advantage of the Ref 3.5. I still crossed over at 80hz, but I was surprised by the amount of energy that still came from the woofers with this crossover point.
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Yes, I've got a similar solution but it does kind of diminish the form factor. Are you using x/o in the sub, receiver or external line level unit?
I agree, it's not as elegant as Ref 3.x.

I use a Yamaha AVR (RX-A3060) to manage XO and other DSP needs. It has two independent sub management functionality. You can set two subs as L/R. This avoids any Sub localisation issues between 80-160 Hz (in my situation).

Sub taming is not as good as Audyssey XT32 I had before but you can manually fine-tune them if necessary. I ran REW to check the Yamaha room correction. It was close to what I wanted . I only reduced one peak around 50Hz; the rest was OK. BTW, this AVR really surprised me with its top audio quality.
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Ref3.5 - Gel materials

I just bought a used Ref3.5 and so far I can hardly tell the difference soundwise compared to my Ref3. Good thing I didn't pay twice as much. If anything maybe the bass is more pronounce than Ref3.

Can anybody recommend a materials to replace the gel on the bottom of the base? The Ref3.5 I bought, some of the gel came off and speakers are not that stable. It's either I will patch some part of the base without gel or replace the whole thing. So now I'm selling my Ref3. If anybody wants to buy it let me know Even though it says in the back 3, it's actually 3.1. It was the last few batches AG made before they change the model# to 3.1. Also if anybody here owns the grills for the 3.5 and not using it, let me know.
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Ref 3.5 Gel Replacement vs. Height Enhancement

You do not need the Gel. The Ref 3.5's benefit greatly by raising them 8 inches off the floor.

Please refer to page 99 on this forum and read my post #2946 and following regarding the installation of ballistic rubber blocks as a base. If you choose this course and your Ref 3.5's are not stable on the blocks, remove the Gel completely. You will not need it.

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You do not need the Gel. The Ref 3.5's benefit greatly by raising them 8 inches off the floor.

Please refer to page 99 on this forum and read my post #2946 and following regarding the installation of ballistic rubber blocks as a base. If you choose this course and your Ref 3.5's are not stable on the blocks, remove the Gel completely. You will not need it.

http://www.blackironrubber.com/ballistic_rubber.html
Did you remove the gel of your speakers? Actually I already emailed this company yesterday and ask them if they can do 2" height and yes they can do it for me. 8 inches is too tall for my place and I'm afraid it my fall down if we have earth quake here in Bay Area. I emailed them again this morning if they can also rounded the edge of the block for aesthetic. I'm still waiting for their reply. So 8"x16" is perfect size? No extra space to the side of the speaker base or I should add 1/2" all around the sides? Thanks.
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Gel & Block Size

My Gel was completely intact and I did not remove it. I only suggested removing it because you cite instability with yours. Unless you can install a shim under the speaker between the base and the block I would just remove it. The Gel will not accomplish anything on the block anyway. It would just be redundant.

The size of the block I have is the size of the speaker base. If they will custom tailor it for you I might suggest rounding the square corners in a radius for a better appearance to match the Ref 3.5 base contours.

Finally, because of the gases released after the manufacture process you will either require ventilation for a week or place the blocks in the sun for a day or two. The block surface will have an oily feel and smell like new tires until those gases completely dissipate. Further, I would not place the blocks directly on fabric carpeting. They may stain. Until you are completely sure the gases are eliminated, I would insert a sheet of wax paper carefully cut to neatly fit between the bottom of the block and the carpeting.

I suggested 8 inches in height because it brings the CDT unit to ear level for me and I felt that is where it needs to be for optimal frequency dispersion and balance. It eliminates floor bounce and enhances bass resolution. That in my environment anyway.

I hope all this helps.
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My Gel was completely intact and I did not remove it. I only suggested removing it because you cite instability with yours. Unless you can install a shim under the speaker between the base and the block I would just remove it. The Gel will not accomplish anything on the block anyway. It would just be redundant.

The size of the block I have is the size of the speaker base. If they will custom tailor it for you I might suggest rounding the square corners in a radius for a better appearance to match the Ref 3.5 base contours.

Finally, because of the gases released after the manufacture process you will either require ventilation for a week or place the blocks in the sun for a day or two. The block surface will have an oily feel and smell like new tires until those gases completely dissipate. Further, I would not place the blocks directly on fabric carpeting. They may stain. Until you are completely sure the gases are eliminated, I would insert a sheet of wax paper carefully cut to neatly fit between the bottom of the block and the carpeting.

I suggested 8 inches in height because it brings the CDT unit to ear level for me and I felt that is where it needs to be for optimal frequency dispersion and balance. It eliminates floor bounce and enhances bass resolution. That in my environment anyway.

I hope all this helps.
I'm just concern the speakers will start to drift to the sides of the block while playing if I take out the gel. Do you think the rubber block is sticky enough for the speakers to stay put without the gel? I'll ask them again if they can make me 8 1/2"x 16 1/2" just to have some extra space to the sides. Thanks again for the help.
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Anthony Gallo Reference OPT Cables

Anybody looking for this cable let me know. I bought this together with the Ref 3.5 and when I tried to install the other day it's a little too short the way I set up my room. My wife does not want me to move the audio rack. And another problem is that my receiver does not accept spade lugs. Not sure if its worth it to change the spade to banana plug on one end. Very disappointed not able to try it for the first time an expensive cable to my system. So PM me if you are interested
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I'm just concern the speakers will start to drift to the sides of the block while playing if I take out the gel. Do you think the rubber block is sticky enough for the speakers to stay put without the gel? I'll ask them again if they can make me 8 1/2"x 16 1/2" just to have some extra space to the sides. Thanks again for the help.
I do not know if the speakers will begin to drift but you have a point to consider. If you cannot use a shim on the one loudspeaker which has a partial Gel intact, you could remove all the Gel. Try various pads to stick to the bottom of the speaker base, either fiber, felt or some other type. There are all sorts at Home Depot or Lowes in their hardware department which might be a cheap fix.

Regarding speaker height, I do not believe you will experience the same improvements I did by only raising the loudspeaker only 2 inches. Additionally, I have a treated dedicated room with a two inch thick all wool carpet and pad in front of the loudspeakers. I have the Ref 3.5's elevated 8 inches, 4 feet from the side and front walls, 8 feet apart and 10 feet from the sweet spot to the speaker center line.

If you can't increase the height 8 inches see if 4 or 6 might work for you. Take something solid of those dimensions and temporarily place the speakers on it, then listen. Do not focus on the bass but instead the mids and highs. That tweeter needs to be at ear height. Certainly do this before you commit yourself to something permanent and non-returnable.

Regarding your Gallo speaker cables. You should try to list them on US Audio Mart for free or on Audiogon for a small fee. They were originally made by Cardas and advertise them as such. If you say they were exclusively for Gallo Ref 3.5's you will restrict your market penetration and limit the possibility of a sale.

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I hope all this helps.
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Spade to Banana Plug Adapter & Ref 3.5 Value!

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Anybody looking for this cable let me know. I bought this together with the Ref 3.5 and when I tried to install the other day it's a little too short the way I set up my room. My wife does not want me to move the audio rack. And another problem is that my receiver does not accept spade lugs. Not sure if its worth it to change the spade to banana plug on one end. Very disappointed not able to try it for the first time an expensive cable to my system. So PM me if you are interested
Before you list your loudspeaker cable you should know there is a cheap and effective fix for you. There are spade to banana adapters available. The speaker cable you have is a very good one. It would cost you to replace the pair for ones of similar quality. Try this at least:

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Pla...anana+adapters

I also need to say this about the performance of Gallo Ref 3.5's besides what I have previously stated in several posts in these pages. I bought mine new. They followed several much more expensive highly regarded high end loudspeakers including Avalons and PMC's.

Owners have given up on the Gallos Ref 3.5's without serious effort to optimize them:

They take many hours to break in, several hundred actually. They sound congested and strained without this investment in time and patience

Placement is critical and they need room to breathe and the more the better. They require distance from the front and side walls due to that CDT units wide dispersion.

Finally, they like power. Again, the more the better to really open them up. Owners, because of the price point of the speakers, tend to put them in mid-fi setups never realizing their performance potential.

The Gallo Ref 3.5's were a real bargain and will never again be duplicated at their original price point or at any price point for that matter. They are a true engineering marvel, no crossover, no enclosure and no maximum power limit. That CDT is unique and exemplary for the industry.

I have no plans, either immediate or long range, to replace them, they are that good. They can be used to reveal the nuances of the very finest high end equipment, in my case, $150K.

My experience anyway for what it is worth!
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Before you list your loudspeaker cable you should know there is a cheap and effective fix for you. There are spade to banana adapters available. The speaker cable you have is a very good one. It would cost you to replace the pair for ones of similar quality. Try this at least:

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Pla...anana+adapters

I also need to say this about the performance of Gallo Ref 3.5's besides what I have previously stated in several posts in these pages. I bought mine new. They followed several much more expensive highly regarded high end loudspeakers including Avalons and PMC's.

Owners have given up on the Gallos Ref 3.5's without serious effort to optimize them:

They take many hours to break in, several hundred actually. They sound congested and strained without this investment in time and patience

Placement is critical and they need room to breathe and the more the better. They require distance from the front and side walls due to that CDT units wide dispersion.

Finally, they like power. Again, the more the better to really open them up. Owners, because of the price point of the speakers, tend to put them in mid-fi setups never realizing their performance potential.

The Gallo Ref 3.5's were a real bargain and will never again be duplicated at their original price point or at any price point for that matter. They are a true engineering marvel, no crossover, no enclosure and no maximum power limit. That CDT is unique and exemplary for the industry.

I have no plans, either immediate or long range, to replace them, they are that good. They can be used to reveal the nuances of the very finest high end equipment, in my case, $150K.

My experience anyway for what it is worth!
Thank you for this. I thought I need the cut the spade and install the banana plug. I may try this but first I have to convince my wife about moving the audio rack

Since you bought your speakers brand new. Is the OPT wires that came with the speakers bent 90 degrees and color black? This is what the seller sent me and online review about this speaker is showing red plug and straight not bent. No big deal but just wondering. Thanks.

Also does it mean the speaker is newer if it has higher the serial# compared to the speakers with lower serial#? Just curious.
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Thank you for this. I thought I need the cut the spade and install the banana plug. I may try this but first I have to convince my wife about moving the audio rack

Since you bought your speakers brand new. Is the OPT wires that came with the speakers bent 90 degrees and color black? This is what the seller sent me and online review about this speaker is showing red plug and straight not bent. No big deal but just wondering. Thanks.

Also does it mean the speaker is newer if it has higher the serial# compared to the speakers with lower serial#? Just curious.
The manufacturer's OPT wire has a black & gold banana plug that is at a 90 degree angle. The end of the wire which inserts on the speaker's positive binding post is a twisted silver color wire. I do not use the stock OPT connector. I have a custom made Audience twisted cable which has a straight banana plug and a spade. I mention this to show you these orientations and terminations are of no significance.

Certainly the higher the serial number indicates a later production run.

Incidentally, I find the Ref 3.5's work best aimed straight ahead due to the very wide dispersion of the CDT. Towed in they are too bright. I also orient the woofers facing inward for a solid soundstage. This would also help with a close wall placement. However, I augment the bass with a pair of Wilson Benesch Infrasonic Generators and their amplifier/crossover units.
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The manufacturer's OPT wire has a black & gold banana plug that is at a 90 degree angle. The end of the wire which inserts on the speaker's positive binding post is a twisted silver color wire. I do not use the stock OPT connector. I have a custom made Audience twisted cable which has a straight banana plug and a spade. I mention this to show you these orientations and terminations are of no significance.

Certainly the higher the serial number indicates a later production run.

Incidentally, I find the Ref 3.5's work best aimed straight ahead due to the very wide dispersion of the CDT. Towed in they are too bright. I also orient the woofers facing inward for a solid soundstage. This would also help with a close wall placement. However, I augment the bass with a pair of Wilson Benesch Infrasonic Generators and their amplifier/crossover units.
Thanks for confirming about the OPT wires. I tried the Ref OPT cables with banana adapter last night with no luck. The way my AVR speaker output jack design is Red plug output is above the black plug output. The spade with banana plug adapter, the (+) spade (above) will touch the (-) spade (below) since the spade of this cable is big. The only way this will work if I buy new AVR/Amp which has speaker out (+) & (-) is right next to each other (side by side). I will order the rubber blocks tomorrow. Too bad they don't do the rounding of the corners.
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Ref 3 to Ref 3.5

I have my Ref 3.5 for 2 weeks now. While comparing my Ref 3 (still looking for buyer) I can hardly hear any difference to the sound. I thought its gonna be a night and day difference or at least I can hear the difference. The Ref 3.5 sounds good but so does my Ref 3. So here are my questions to people who upgraded to 3.5:
1 - Is it because I'm just using an Pioneer AVR and this is the limiting factor?
2 - If I replace my Pioneer and buy the newer Marantz SR7011 since its on sale now do you guys think this will make any difference to the sound (hopefully for the better)?
3 - Do I need to invest in preamp & amp to hear the potential of Ref 3.5?
4 - Or maybe I'm not pro or sophisticated enough to hear the difference?

Just curious since most people who paid 2x the price of Ref 3/3.1 to upgrade to Ref 3.5 when it came out are mostly happy and satisfied with their decision. For me based on what I hear/experience in my present setup it's not worth any money to upgrade 3/3.1 to 3.5 unless for some reason you like the look of 3.5. Maybe I will feel differently if changing to new AVR or preamp & amp setup will improve the sound significantly. Thanks.

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I have my Ref 3.5 for 2 weeks now. While comparing my Ref 3 (still looking for buyer) I can hardly hear any difference to the sound. I thought its gonna be a night and day difference or at least I can hear the difference. The Ref 3.5 sounds good but so does my Ref 3. So here are my questions to people who upgraded to 3.5:
1 - Is it because I'm just using an Pioneer AVR and this is the limiting factor?
2 - If I replace my Pioneer and buy the newer Marantz SR7011 since its on sale now do you guys think this will make any difference to the sound (hopefully for the better)?
3 - Do I need to invest in preamp & amp to hear the potential of Ref 3.5?
4 - Or maybe I'm not pro or sophisticated enough to hear the difference?

Just curious since most people who paid 2x the price of Ref 3/3.1 to upgrade to Ref 3.5 when it came out are mostly happy and satisfied with their decision. For me based on what I hear/experience in my present setup it's not worth any money to upgrade 3/3.1 to 3.5 unless for some reason you like the look of 3.5. Maybe I will feel differently if changing to new AVR or preamp & amp setup will improve the sound significantly. Thanks.
Both the Ref 3 and Ref 3.5 will be very transparent and reveal the sound of the amplifier driving them. The weakest link in an AVR will always be the power amplifier section. The digital front end in them can be very good. If it were me, personally I would upgrade to the Marantz AVR. I have a Marantz pre-pro and it sounds very good. I would also get a stereo external power amplifier, the Gallos will benefit. I have an Odyssey Kismet amp and cannot recommend it highly enough, it sounds fantastic.

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Both the Ref 3 and Ref 3.5 will be very transparent and reveal the sound of the amplifier driving them. The weakest link in an AVR will always be the power amplifier section. The digital front end in them can be very good. If it were me, personally I would upgrade to the Marantz AVR. I have a Marantz pre-pro and it sounds very good. I would also get a stereo external power amplifier, the Gallos will benefit. I have an Odyssey Kismet amp and cannot recommend it highly enough, it sounds fantastic.

In for a penny, in for a pound

Thanks. Few months ago I tried Denon 4300 AVR and was not happy with the sound. My Pioneer AVR sounds a lot better. So I return the Denon. I'll try Marantz AVR next.
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