If 10K on Audio, How Much On Video? - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 23 Old 02-20-2000, 12:05 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Let's say that I was starting from scratch to build an HT. What percentage should I spend on audio / video?

Or, to put it another way, if I had US $20K to spend on the HT, how much of it would be in audio and how much in video?

If I get an D-ILA projector and an iScan doubler, and have less than $5K left over for the audio, am I going to have a "lop-sided" system?

Thanks!

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 23 Old 02-20-2000, 05:26 PM
Advanced Member
 
John Tuohy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Lurking
Posts: 753
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
It all depends on what is important to you. With 5k you could get a real nice audio system for movies but if the reproduction of music is most important, you would want to spend most of the 20 on audio. 5k could get a great receiver and ht speaker system with a deep sub. You also could use some of your existing equipment if possible then upgrade down the line. For 12k you could get a 8" CRT and scaller with screen. You have alot of options but first you must decide which is most important.

------------------
John Tuohy

All I ever want is everything
John Tuohy is offline  
post #3 of 23 Old 02-20-2000, 05:42 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aerialman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 1,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I absolutely agree. My $0.02 is that if youve got a budget today and know youll have more money in the future for this, the things that wont go out of date are speakers and amplifiers.

- Jerry
aerialman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 23 Old 02-20-2000, 05:56 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Aerialman -

Well, that explains those Aerial 10Ts that you have! Man, I checked out those speakers at a local A/V shop, and they are SWEET!

Unfortunately, I think that my HT would be even more lopsided with those beauties flanking a 12 inch Black-and-White TV!

My future system will be 75% movies, 25% music. I was thinking of splitting the 20K right down the middle, and putting 10K each into video and audio. It would really restrict the projector, but then again, 10K goes pretty quick when you add up speakers, subwoofs, amps, and the processor.

To be fair, I was going to "hold" some of the budget to be good to the audio side. The projector can chew through the budget pretty quick. Is a split down the middle reasonable? 50/50?


------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #5 of 23 Old 02-20-2000, 09:32 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aerialman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 1,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Mark,
thanks- the 10ts are wonderful speakers but there are lots of wonderful speakers out there.

The thing about audio is, at least I find it to be, more subjective than video. I can put up test patterns and know that a set cant hold a black level, etc- but audio- well thats something that cant come down to your mood on a particular day. You might laugh, but Im more of a videophile! I just relized that when it came to audio, the most critical thing to have is good speakers; of course they have to be fairly close to the level of other components. Just remember youre building a system so dont buy a 100wpc amp and then stick a speaker like the 10t
that needs more power with it.

I think with your bias of mostly movies you dont need to go crazy with the audio equipment, maybe a high end receiver like the denon 5700 and then some kind of movie optimized speaker package like M&K or Definitive or Atlantic. One thing on the video side, if you can do it, I think a pc based dvd solution will give you the most flexibility and best image possible.

- Jerry

aerialman is offline  
post #6 of 23 Old 02-21-2000, 05:34 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Jerry,

You ARE good! I have actually downgraded the Lexicon MC-1 to something more reasonable, and am purchasing a 5700 tomorrow!

As far as speakers, I was leaning toward the Atlantic already. You know how to call 'em.

That should leave me enough $$$ left over for a decent projector and still come under my $20K budget.

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #7 of 23 Old 02-21-2000, 08:04 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aerialman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 1,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Mark,
thanks- I hope you wont mind my borrowing that quote above to show to my wife! lol! https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think you will be very happy with your audio setup. Then its time to go video.

- Jerry
aerialman is offline  
post #8 of 23 Old 02-22-2000, 10:20 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi migliore,

DON'T EVEN GO THERE https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

I have been struggling for months now to make good decisions for the HT.

I started off looking at a Lexicon MC-1, Marantz amp. and Atlantic Tech. speakers...and a Pioneer Elite RPTV...for about $20K.

Once I finally decided to go FP, I had to decide about the D-ILA, CRT, DLP, etc. and downgrade the audio to the Denon 5700, with no separate amp.

I finally feel like I am making some progress (at least I am making some early decisions), but I was hoping NOT to go back the early (base-level) decisions.

So, $20K can't get a respectable HT? Man, this is one expensive hobby https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif


------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #9 of 23 Old 02-22-2000, 04:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aerialman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 1,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
wasnt it Einstein who said something like:
to someone who owns a $400k home theater, a $20k home theater wont cut it; but to someone who owns a $5k home theater, a 20k home theater is the holy grail!

well, actually he didnt say that, I did- but he did say this:

eveything's relative! https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think 20k can buy a really great home theater!

- Jerry

[This message has been edited by aerialman (edited February 22, 2000).]
aerialman is offline  
post #10 of 23 Old 02-22-2000, 05:25 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I sure hope so. Anymore $$$ than that, and there will be BLOODSHED at my house. https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/eek.gif

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #11 of 23 Old 02-22-2000, 06:14 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aerialman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 1,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I know Einstein didnt say this but its still important:
bloodshed does not make for a good home theater experience!

- Jerry
aerialman is offline  
post #12 of 23 Old 02-22-2000, 09:12 PM
Senior Member
 
migliore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Northern Colorado
Posts: 422
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
if i was working off a 20k budget id get a nice rptv, like a tosh 65" widescreen or a pioneer elite. leaves more dough to audio. it costs so much to get a good projector setup from my exp.

rob

------------------
Migliore Theater
migliore is offline  
post #13 of 23 Old 02-24-2000, 05:19 AM
Advanced Member
 
avdoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posts: 611
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 222 Post(s)
Liked: 129
I just wanted to add this to give some perspective. I come to home theater from the audiophile side of things. I have a magnepan system which I am very fond of and can marvel at the sound of it with excellent recordings. My sister and her fiance came over to the house and they were awed by the front projection system. I put on some music for them and they said how nice the song was but I could tell they were not impressed. My point is, this made me realize that once you get beyond a certain point on the audio side, you are the only person who cares anymore. I think if you want to spend $15K on video and $5K on audio this should be more than sufficient for movies and music provided you are happy with your choice. Nobody else is going to care.

Pioneer Elite SC-LX901 Receiver, Magnepan MG2.5/R x4 and CC3 center channel speakers with Sound Anchor stands, Power Sound Audio S3000i subwoofer, Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR-75X940E TV, Monoprice Premium HDMI and DH Labs Silver Sonic T-14 speaker cables
avdoc is offline  
post #14 of 23 Old 02-24-2000, 04:47 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Don O’Brien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Babylon, NY USA
Posts: 1,735
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have found it useful in helping others to ask the following:
Do you listen to music casually (while doing chores) or do you listen critically (in the sweet spot) with little or no background noise? If you are the former I think you will be more than pleased with the AVR 5700 and the atlantic techs, if you are the latter (rare today) I wish you luck in lifetime of the pursuit of subjective, audio nirvana. It stops when your heart does.
P.S. Your system will sound great for home theater, get the big picture it has the biggest wow effect on friends and family
Don

[This message has been edited by Don O'Brien (edited February 24, 2000).]

Cheers,
Don O
Don O’Brien is offline  
post #15 of 23 Old 02-24-2000, 07:23 PM
Advanced Member
 
John Tuohy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Lurking
Posts: 753
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I agree with Don. If you are not going to sit in that sweet spot very often and concentrate on the emotion and life like reproduction of music, you will be very happy with your choice. I get the most enjoyment from my front projection system.

------------------
John Tuohy

All I ever want is everything
John Tuohy is offline  
post #16 of 23 Old 02-24-2000, 08:07 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Gosh, I almost feel bad that I am NOT an audiophile https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif

Of course, like anyone, I want the best I can afford, but I have to make some trade-offs to come under my (my fiance's, really) 20K budget.

I could get 5 Martin Logans, a Lexicon MC-1, the Parasound amp a Velodyne subwoofer, but then I would be looking at the same 25" NTSC box that I have today...

The trade-off is to admit that I don't have golden ears, SUCK IT UP, and downgrade the audio to be able to upgrade the video.

Ideally, one of the audio FANATICS on this forum will feel so sorry for my lowly developing system that they will buy me the audio gear to spare my ears the horror of the Denon (dare I say it)...integrated... receiver.

(Can you feel the love?)

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #17 of 23 Old 02-25-2000, 06:01 AM
Advanced Member
 
John Tuohy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Lurking
Posts: 753
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Sorry mark I did not want to make you feel bad it was my intent to make you feel good about your choice. Though after rereading it today I could see your point. Audio is and has been one of my passions in life. I think you made the correct choice with the front projector. Did you get the Denon yet?

------------------
John Tuohy

All I ever want is everything
John Tuohy is offline  
post #18 of 23 Old 02-25-2000, 07:48 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Thanks, John,

I knew that your intentions were good. Heck, EVERYONE one this forum is fantastic! I LOVE THIS PLACE!

I actually haven't bought anything yet. I am still waffling on a couple of decisions. I like the Denon for it's 5.1 analog inputs (SACD, DVD-Audio might end up in my system before long) and the 7.1 EX possibility.

However, I also like the Sony ES line for the ESP modes that I have been hearing so much about and the S/W download/upgrade options.

I am waffling between those two, but I have admitted to myself that if I get the Lexicon, the video will certainly have to compromise.

Thanks for the advice and encouragement, though! I want a really nice home theater, but I am really neither a videophile nor an audiophile (at least, not compared to some folks I have seen on the web)...

Maybe more of a "theaterphile"...

Mark

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #19 of 23 Old 02-25-2000, 08:43 AM
Advanced Member
 
John Tuohy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Lurking
Posts: 753
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Mark
I recentlty purchased an EAD signature used from a dealer with waranty for 4,000.

You might be able to find that lexicon you crave for a few bucks more than the denon not to put down the denon I have heard this and would be very happy with it. But before you give in you have other options. Group purchases on this site can often save you 40% off retail and if you are considering a CRT AV science has B stocks " for great savings. I purchased mine from them and would do so again.

off the top of my head:

NEC xg 75 around 7.5K
HT pc 1.5
Iscan doubler .5
screen .5
Lex 4.5
amp ATI/cinepro 1.5
Psb golds front 1.75
rears & center 1
earth quake sub 1
wires & install .75

Total cost 20.5K give or take

You could also use your current speakers in the rear and upgrade down the line

Note with seperates you have more flexability to upgrade down the road DVD audio, Dolby EX, ?? or change amps ect..

Keep us posted !

------------------
John Tuohy

All I ever want is everything
John Tuohy is offline  
post #20 of 23 Old 02-27-2000, 08:33 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Awesome, John! Thanks for the shopping list. That sure was easy. https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

Seriously, I really appreciate you taking the time to put together your ideas like that. I agree with your basic ratios, but would tweak a couple of individual choices here and there...

...and with the tweaks I might have to revise the budget (don't tell my fiance).

And the struggle between good and evil begins...

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #21 of 23 Old 02-29-2000, 03:38 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
True. True.

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
post #22 of 23 Old 03-04-2000, 10:20 AM
Advanced Member
 
John Tuohy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Lurking
Posts: 753
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Mark

I know you are interested in a dila see Alans
Power buy post in the dila section



------------------
John Tuohy

All I ever want is everything
John Tuohy is offline  
post #23 of 23 Old 03-04-2000, 07:52 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mark Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
John!

You are the man! Thanks for the lead...I'm in! http://205.232.82.242/ubb/smile.gif

------------------
Mark Hunter

Mark Hunter
Technical Director, Home Theater Products
Datacolor, Inc.
Mark Hunter is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Closed Thread Speakers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off