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It'll be for short term. At most a year, but probably around 6 months. It's a hell of a deal. Plus I'll get the idea of how the horizon differs from the Sierra 2 center that I had sent back.
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I run NRT towers with RAAL Horizon center, the setup works well for me! I like the extra sparkle of the dome tweeters for my music and the clarity of the RAAL for dialogue in movies is superb. I haven't found the domes/RAAL combo for movies distracting - they are well matched (timbre) when it comes to sound effects and the like. I don't watch concert DVDs so that might be an area that timbre (mis)matching would be apparent.
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received my Sierra RAAL L/R and Horizon center last monday.
i've been playing it close to 24x7.
first impression was, "WOW this horizon is really big and heavy!!!" SOLID build.
i've heard sounds that i hadnt heard before (Bic Venturi).
the DETAILS of the sound, OMG best speaker i've heard, not that i've heard alot (magnolia speakers at best buy)
VOCALS are very accurate to my untrained ears.
symbals, drums and other instruments can easily be distinguished from each other.
my wife loves listening to Adele vocals.
Vocals are very full (lack of word to describe it) and clear.

only watched 1 movie so far, black hawk down.
the choppers propeller was really astonishing (lack of word to describe it) you can hear/feel the metal.
when the wind blows and carried sand, i can hear the sand flying, i think i heard each sands motion.
****ING IRENE!!!
low end is really punchy, solid and full- i have dual outlaw ultra x12 and crossed over at 80.
even on music, low end is very full/solid.

my budget was $2000 for L/R and center, i went overboard but i have no regrets.
with my venturi, i turn it off after awhile of listening to music, but this i just want to keep listening.
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received my Sierra RAAL L/R and Horizon center last monday.
i've been playing it close to 24x7.
first impression was, "WOW this horizon is really big and heavy!!!" SOLID build.
i've heard sounds that i hadnt heard before (Bic Venturi).
the DETAILS of the sound, OMG best speaker i've heard, not that i've heard alot (magnolia speakers at best buy)
VOCALS are very accurate to my untrained ears.
symbals, drums and other instruments can easily be distinguished from each other.
my wife loves listening to Adele vocals.
Vocals are very full (lack of word to describe it) and clear.

only watched 1 movie so far, black hawk down.
the choppers propeller was really astonishing (lack of word to describe it) you can hear/feel the metal.
when the wind blows and carried sand, i can hear the sand flying, i think i heard each sands motion.
****ING IRENE!!!
low end is really punchy, solid and full- i have dual outlaw ultra x12 and crossed over at 80.
even on music, low end is very full/solid.

my budget was $2000 for L/R and center, i went overboard but i have no regrets.
with my venturi, i turn it off after awhile of listening to music, but this i just want to keep listening.
What are you using to power the speakers?
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denon 1912, looking to upgrade to a marantz
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Unless you're really looking to spend $$$$ on a higher end Marantz, you are better off spending the money to get a higher-end Denon with Audyssey XT32. That will make more of a difference than getting an entry level Marantz receiver (not sure what you were planning though).
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received my Sierra RAAL L/R and Horizon center last monday.
i've been playing it close to 24x7.
first impression was, "WOW this horizon is really big and heavy!!!" SOLID build.
i've heard sounds that i hadnt heard before (Bic Venturi).
the DETAILS of the sound, OMG best speaker i've heard, not that i've heard alot (magnolia speakers at best buy)
VOCALS are very accurate to my untrained ears.
symbals, drums and other instruments can easily be distinguished from each other.
my wife loves listening to Adele vocals.
Vocals are very full (lack of word to describe it) and clear.

only watched 1 movie so far, black hawk down.
the choppers propeller was really astonishing (lack of word to describe it) you can hear/feel the metal.
when the wind blows and carried sand, i can hear the sand flying, i think i heard each sands motion.
****ING IRENE!!!
low end is really punchy, solid and full- i have dual outlaw ultra x12 and crossed over at 80.
even on music, low end is very full/solid.

my budget was $2000 for L/R and center, i went overboard but i have no regrets.
with my venturi, i turn it off after awhile of listening to music, but this i just want to keep listening.
You still haven't heard the ULF content in the "F****** Irene" scene....your subs aren't capable. Most subs aren't capable.
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You still haven't heard the ULF content in the "F****** Irene" scene....your subs aren't capable. Most subs aren't capable.
Hmmm, will have to check it out.. 😊
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Hi everyone,

For movie/gaming experience how much could be the difference between:

CBM-170 SE (L/R) and CMT-340 SE (CC)

And

Sierra-1 (L/R) and Sierra-1 center??

I want strongs voices and cristal clear dialogues

Living room open to the kitchen.

I already have a sub

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I think some will say the Sierra are overkill unless you listen to music too. Some will tell you to buy both and see what you like the best.

I have Sierra 2s in my LR horizon as my center (soon) and Sierra 1 as my rears and I love the sound. I can't see myself ever changing.....except to towers eventually.
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Unless you're really looking to spend $$$$ on a higher end Marantz, you are better off spending the money to get a higher-end Denon with Audyssey XT32. That will make more of a difference than getting an entry level Marantz receiver (not sure what you were planning though).
any advice on which marantz?
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received my Sierra RAAL L/R and Horizon center last monday.
i've been playing it close to 24x7.
first impression was, "WOW this horizon is really big and heavy!!!" SOLID build.
i've heard sounds that i hadnt heard before (Bic Venturi).
the DETAILS of the sound, OMG best speaker i've heard, not that i've heard alot (magnolia speakers at best buy)
VOCALS are very accurate to my untrained ears.
symbals, drums and other instruments can easily be distinguished from each other.
my wife loves listening to Adele vocals.
Vocals are very full (lack of word to describe it) and clear.

only watched 1 movie so far, black hawk down.
the choppers propeller was really astonishing (lack of word to describe it) you can hear/feel the metal.
when the wind blows and carried sand, i can hear the sand flying, i think i heard each sands motion.
****ING IRENE!!!
low end is really punchy, solid and full- i have dual outlaw ultra x12 and crossed over at 80.
even on music, low end is very full/solid.

my budget was $2000 for L/R and center, i went overboard but i have no regrets.
with my venturi, i turn it off after awhile of listening to music, but this i just want to keep listening.
I am thinking about a sierra tower setup and horizon center. Not sure if I want to drop the extra $$ to get RAAL tweeters.

Did you listen to both with and without RAAL and is it definitely worth the extra money?

Sounds like you are having a great time with your new equipment!
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Do I need taller stands so the speakers are sitting over my desk or will that not make a difference? The only thing on top will be a monitor.

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I am thinking about a sierra tower setup and horizon center. Not sure if I want to drop the extra $$ to get RAAL tweeters.

Did you listen to both with and without RAAL and is it definitely worth the extra money?

Sounds like you are having a great time with your new equipment!
I have the 1s and the 2s - see sig. You have to remember there is more to the 1 v 2 than the RAAL. The 2 has a custom SEAS woofer that is larger and a redesigned crossover. Then there is the RAAL. The combo of these 3 things is what takes the 2 to a higher level then the 1. IMO of course.

On a budget - buy the 1s and upgrade them to 2s later. Upgrade is easy to do even if one has limited DIY skills. If you can afford the 2s, yes there is a big difference, that opinion is based on listening to both for hours. Good luck.

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I have the 1s and the 2s - see sig. You have to remember there is more to the 1 v 2 than the RAAL. The 2 has a custom SEAS woofer that is larger and a redesigned crossover. Then there is the RAAL. The combo of these 3 things is what takes the 2 to a higher level then the 1. IMO of course.



On a budget - buy the 1s and upgrade them to 2s later. Upgrade is easy to do even if one has limited DIY skills. If you can afford the 2s, yes there is a big difference, that opinion is based on listening to both for hours. Good luck.


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any advice on which marantz?
You would need at least the Marantz 6010 (or 6011 newer model) to get the Audyssey XT32. I'd compare that to the features of the Denon X3300 or Denon X4200, which both have XT32 and come around that same price. Depends on which features you need most and what price you're willing to spend, but again I'd probably lean towards Denon because the Marantz is basically a rebadged Denon at this point.
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Denon X4200W is currently $800 on Amazon. Might not last long at that price.

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I have the 1s and the 2s - see sig. You have to remember there is more to the 1 v 2 than the RAAL. The 2 has a custom SEAS woofer that is larger and a redesigned crossover. Then there is the RAAL. The combo of these 3 things is what takes the 2 to a higher level then the 1. IMO of course.

On a budget - buy the 1s and upgrade them to 2s later. Upgrade is easy to do even if one has limited DIY skills. If you can afford the 2s, yes there is a big difference, that opinion is based on listening to both for hours. Good luck.
The new woofer and cross-over work really great with the custom 70-10 RAAL and that's what made Sierra-2 so magical

But the woofer itself is not necessary better than the woofer used by Sierra-1/Tower, it is simply designed with different need in mind (need to cross-over higher while still produce enough bass), I for one, find Sierra-1 to have better defined bass than the Sierra-2

Dave actually modified a few pair of Sierra-1 with the custom 70-20xr with great result and that's what inspired him to develop Sierra-2

The only reason Ascend didn't offer the Sierra-1 with 70-20xr upgrade to the mass is because the upgrade is complicated (can't DIY it) and the cost is high, he estimated he would have to sell the 70-20xr version of Sierra-1 at around $1,800...

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Denon X4200W is currently $800 on Amazon. Might not last long at that price.
Crutchfield and B&H photo are selling at the same price right now too ($799) free shipping no tax.
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can anyone tell me what size screw/bolt fits into the back of the sierra 1? I need to find a bracket I can mount to the back of my Sierra 1s and to the bottom of my wall mounts.
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can anyone tell me what size screw/bolt fits into the back of the sierra 1? I need to find a bracket I can mount to the back of my Sierra 1s and to the bottom of my wall mounts.
It's on the spec page on the "inserts" line....1/4" x 20
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It's on the spec page on the "inserts" line....1/4" x 20
Ah ok. I was looking at the sierra 2 page and didnt see it on there. See it now on the Sierra 1 page. Thank You. Now to find a bracket that works with my mount haha.
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Depend on if it's on carpet or hardwood floor, the height to the middle of the tweeter will be around 34 to 35 inch
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i am planning for a new pair of bookshelves + sub. does any one here compare sierra 1 vs MA silver 2? what is the sound difference between those two? will you suggest a single pair of sierra 1 or a pair of 170+ 340 center? my budget is crying... Thank you.
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i am planning for a new pair of bookshelves + sub. does any one here compare sierra 1 vs MA silver 2? what is the sound difference between those two? will you suggest a single pair of sierra 1 or a pair of 170+ 340 center? my budget is crying... Thank you.
With the price of the MA Silver 2's you should be able to get either LCR Sierra 1's or a pair of Sierra 1's NRT. Even the B-stock Sierra 2s are just a little over the price of the Silver 2s

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IOOqapd...Black-Oak.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/Merch...ry_Code=BSTOCK

In that case I hope someone can compare S1 NRT or S2 vs the Silver 2's here.
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I am thinking about a sierra tower setup and horizon center. Not sure if I want to drop the extra $$ to get RAAL tweeters.

Did you listen to both with and without RAAL and is it definitely worth the extra money?

Sounds like you are having a great time with your new equipment!
I was in the same boat as you wondering if the RAALs were worth the money. I made a compromise as my budget didn't allow for RAAL towers. I have NrT towers and a RAAL horizon. Excellent sound, I chose the RAAL to achieve the clearest dialogue (from movies and TV) as possible. The NrTs are very dynamic and are no slouch either. I have never been disappointed by the NrT and have not regretted going the route I did. They (the NrT) are excellent for the various music styles I listen to - mostly rock, rap, acoustic stuff. Having experience with the RAAL as well, i could hear how they (the RAAL) could be preferred for heavy vocal/jazz music - but it really is a personal preference. Do you sit and listen to your music critically very often? Maybe the RAAL towers would be worth it.

If you can afford it, get the RAAL Horizon (at least). If not, the sound from the NrT is still amazing!

i hope this provides some insight.
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received my Sierra RAAL L/R and Horizon center last monday.
i've been playing it close to 24x7.
first impression was, "WOW this horizon is really big and heavy!!!" SOLID build.
i've heard sounds that i hadnt heard before (Bic Venturi).
the DETAILS of the sound, OMG best speaker i've heard, not that i've heard alot (magnolia speakers at best buy)
VOCALS are very accurate to my untrained ears.
symbals, drums and other instruments can easily be distinguished from each other.
my wife loves listening to Adele vocals.
Vocals are very full (lack of word to describe it) and clear.

only watched 1 movie so far, black hawk down.
the choppers propeller was really astonishing (lack of word to describe it) you can hear/feel the metal.
when the wind blows and carried sand, i can hear the sand flying, i think i heard each sands motion.
****ING IRENE!!!
low end is really punchy, solid and full- i have dual outlaw ultra x12 and crossed over at 80.
even on music, low end is very full/solid.

my budget was $2000 for L/R and center, i went overboard but i have no regrets.
with my venturi, i turn it off after awhile of listening to music, but this i just want to keep listening.
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I am thinking about a sierra tower setup and horizon center. Not sure if I want to drop the extra $$ to get RAAL tweeters.

Did you listen to both with and without RAAL and is it definitely worth the extra money?

Sounds like you are having a great time with your new equipment!
While I can't comment on the NrT/RAAL comparison (never listened to the NrT), I can relate to rysher's reactions and to your decision on whether RAAL tweeters are worth the extra money. Earlier this year I was trying to decide the same thing. My original budget was $2700 for a new L/R/C combo, but after deciding on the Sierra Towers and Horizon, the budget had to change. Still thinking about the budget (and WAF), I was leaning towards NrTs all around. Then the more I read about RAAL, I changed to NrT F/L and RAAL center. Since I'm >90% music listening, I started thinking RAALs all around. Then I started thinking about the budget and started waffling between configurations. I finally decided to compromise on the Black Matte finish to offset some of the extra cost of the RAALs all around. I received the speakers in March, and like rysher, I have absolutely no regrets, they are everything he describes and more.

Are the RAALs worth the extra money? I think so, but as I said I've never listened to the NrTs.

Would I have been just as happy with NrTs all around? Probably. But I'm sure I would be asking myself "what if I went with RAALs instead".

All I can say is that I don't regret my decision whatsoever. Good luck with yours!

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@pointothearro w @Jack1949 thanks for the comments. What amp/avr are you both using? Did you consider either of the philharmonic towers (also with RAAL)? What sub are you using?
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I haven't heard the NrT versions either, and I own RAAL Towers and Horizon center, but I can say that the RAAL tweeters are more clear and detailed than any other tweeter I've heard. Everything else has this sense of added distortion and bite, which can actually sound great to many people, as it appears to be more visceral, and some would even say more detailed as it may make some instruments sound like they have more body, even when they shouldn't. It really is a matter of preference in the end. I prefer to hear things exactly as they should sound, not artificially made to sound a different way. The main reason I went with Ascend in the first place is his goal of completely neutral speakers, and the RAAL tweeters were just another improvement in pursuit of that goal, with the engineering white papers to back it up.

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