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I was linked to this thread from someone's suggestion. How are the Sierra 2 speakers as a surround speaker? I currently run Monitor Audio PL200 and PL350C for the front sound stage so I was thinking a matching ribbon type tweeter may not be a bad idea. My concern is the size of the speaker as it would have to be wall mounted. Ridiculous? Would a simple AVR power them? I have a dedicated amp; but it's only for the front sound stage.

To be more specific, this is my dilemma and where I was linked from. Marantz SR5007 would be powering them. Thanks for your time!

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They do not share the same type of ribbon, MA's are very nice speakers but different from the Sierras. If you use some type of RC the fact that they are not from the same family should be minimized, if you believe everything needs to be timber matched - you can see I don't believe in that - stick with MA or switch to Ascend

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They do not share the same type of ribbon, MA's are very nice speakers but different from the Sierras. If you use some type of RC the fact that they are not from the same family should be minimized, if you believe everything needs to be timber matched - you can see I don't believe in that - stick with MA or switch to Ascend

P.S. Your receiver should be okay in the power department assuming you don't have a huge room or some other undefined unusual requirement(s).
I only care about timber matching the front and then the rears (to an extent). I'm open to suggestions for the surrounds. I'm undecided on going four direct radiating or doing a hybrid (bipolar side surrounds with direct firing rears) since the side surrounds are the closest speakers to the listening area. I've never really listened to a bipole speaker so I'm not too certain if it's the right option.

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Hey what mounting bracket is that you are using? I was thinking of using the CBM-170 for my left/right surround and they will have to be right at the ceiling and wanted to angle them down.

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I had to put an eyebolt into the threads on the back and run a zip tie thru it to keep it on the mount. Otherwise the sierras want to tip forward no matter how much pressure is put on the sides.
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Sierra 1's / Sierra 2's / Revel F35

Thank you @Theriddler07sms for allowing me to borrow your Sierra's! If you are able to stop by with them hooked up, I would love to get your thoughts on these as well.

I was looking at upgrading my office speakers (Baby Advents) and Theriddler07sms is letting me give his new speakers a test -extremely generous offer. In the mean time I got a hold of the Revels to put in the mix for auditioning.
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Did you ever post your impressions?
Here is what he wrote. There was more somewhere but cannot find the other post. Will continue to search.

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No joke, this is tough! They are both amazing speakers, I would be extremely happy with either set (Sierra 2 / F35). I don't want to provide too many thoughts on my direct comparisons just yet, I have had limited time off and on since yesterday afternoon. Ran home over lunch and was able to play a few songs from John's playlist above - excellent recommendations for running demos, thanks again!


High level initial thoughts without giving preference to either just yet: both the Ascends and the Revels have similar perceived extension and do require a sub (sweeps are still pending). John's point on matching the volume levels has been very necessary - I found that I need to adjust 2.5db between the 2, with the Revels being more efficient (although their advertised 1m specs indicate a 3db difference).


I had my wife listen to a few songs just to see if she could pick a favorite (blind tested). First 2 songs, she couldn't tell them apart at all, she thought they were the same speakers both times. After I tried 1 more song with higher vocals, she did give slight preference to the Revels. I'm still indifferent, need time yet, wow this is tough. For some reason I thought the Sierras would be the clear favorites. I'm currently at a tie. The Revels do get the nod on aesthetics, however - they look much much nicer in person than online!


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I had to put an eyebolt into the threads on the back and run a zip tie thru it to keep it on the mount. Otherwise the sierras want to tip forward no matter how much pressure is put on the sides.[/QUOTE
Thanks I was thinking the same thing have to be able to keep them from tumbling forward. I guess I could let somebody I don't like that much sit under that speaker just in case.

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hi,

what is the difference between sierra 1 and sierra 2 for movies only?

someone who has the sierra 1 center can tell me how clear is for dialogues?

how you can compares the CBM-170se and CMT-340se with the sierras for movies only?

thanks in advance
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hi,

what is the difference between sierra 1 and sierra 2 for movies only?

someone who has the sierra 1 center can tell me how clear is for dialogues?

how you can compares the CBM-170se and CMT-340se with the sierras for movies only?

thanks in advance
I can move one of my sierra 1's to the center tomorrow and test it out. I have had a Sierra 2 center and a Sierra Horizon (NRT) center and the Horizon was the clear winner for me. It was more clear than the Sierra 2. I would imagine that the Sierra 1 will be even less clear than the 2.
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hi,

what is the difference between sierra 1 and sierra 2 for movies only?

someone who has the sierra 1 center can tell me how clear is for dialogues?

how you can compares the CBM-170se and CMT-340se with the sierras for movies only?

thanks in advance
I had the 170 as L/C/R for the last 14 years. Recently replaced them with Sierra 2's as L/C/R and for about a week had a Horizon for the center.

JMO, but I find the 170s and S2's to sound very similar. They are more alike than different. What you get with the S2 over the 170 is more nuance. There is more 'air' between sounds and things like the musical soundtrack (in a well mastered audio track) can seem to have a more ethereal presence- seeming to just float in the air somewhat divorced from the other dialogue and effects in the track. That's a cool aspect when it's evident, but it's not necessarily an 'in your face' difference most of the time. It more like just sneaks up on me and then suddenly I'm aware of it.

But the main tonalities of both speakers sound the same to my ears. Dialogue is similarly clear in both. Most sounds tend to image where they are supposed to given their location on screen, etc. A small % less distortion, faster transient response...all these things tend to lift a veil to get you closer to the source- but in the case of the 170, it's a very thin veil. Stepping up to the S2 was not like pulling off a thick blanket from the 170 "Oh NOW I can hear what it's supposed to sound like!"- not at all.
You ever see a Blu-ray that didn't seem that much different or better than the DVD version, but if you scrutinized each frame you would see where the improvements were? that's sort of how I feel about these two. The improvements are there, just not always readily manifest. Especially with the wide variety of movie soundtracks you'll encounter.

OTOH, the difference I heard between the S2 and the Horizon was primarily one of scale. Everything is already there and in place with the S2, but stepping up to the Horizon was like suddenly having the sound as large as my screen. It may be hard to understand without hearing for yourself, but it's not simply a matter of the Horizon being louder. I have seen others describe the difference as being akin to being in the fifth row at a concert (the S2s) and being in the front row (the Horizon). To me the sound just seems larger- and that in and of itself is a welcome aspect when you are pairing it with a large projection system. I never had any complaints before with either the 170 or S2 seeming 'small'. On the contrary they seemed to scale perfectly to a life sized sound.
The Horizon (and I'm hoping the Towers as well) was simply a larger than life sound.

That's my take.
Out of everything Ascend offers I still feel the CBM 170's are the best value proposition. I feel like with the others you are getting a strong product at a fair price. With the 170's, you are SERIOUSLY getting a Very good speaker at a bargain price.

Haven't heard the 340s or Sierra 1s.
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OTOH, the difference I heard between the S2 and the Horizon was primarily one of scale. Everything is already there and in place with the S2, but stepping up to the Horizon was like suddenly having the sound as large as my screen. It may be hard to understand without hearing for yourself, but it's not simply a matter of the Horizon being louder. I have seen others describe the difference as being akin to being in the fifth row at a concert (the S2s) and being in the front row (the Horizon). To me the sound just seems larger- and that in and of itself is a welcome aspect when you are pairing it with a large projection system. I never had any complaints before with either the 170 or S2 seeming 'small'. On the contrary they seemed to scale perfectly to a life sized sound.
The Horizon (and I'm hoping the Towers as well) was simply a larger than life sound.
This was my take with the horizon as well. Im not good at describing sound but saying its a larger sound compared to the S2 would be about correct. The sierra 2 sounded small compared to the horizon.
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hi,

what is the difference between sierra 1 and sierra 2 for movies only?

someone who has the sierra 1 center can tell me how clear is for dialogues?

how you can compares the CBM-170se and CMT-340se with the sierras for movies only?

thanks in advance

The first differences you would notice when comparing Sierra-1 and Sierra-2 for home theater would be the spaciousness and additional layers of midrange and high frequency clarity with the 2's. The Sierra-1's have slightly deeper bass, which is negated by use of a sub - while the 2's have better defined and tighter bass - more detail and accuracy.


Depending on your own ear and environment - the differences can range from noticeable but somewhat subtle - to extremely apparent.


One other big advantage of the 2's are that they offer surprising clarity even at low volume levels...


Hope this helps!

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I had the 170 as L/C/R for the last 14 years. Recently replaced them with Sierra 2's as L/C/R and for about a week had a Horizon for the center.

JMO, but I find the 170s and S2's to sound very similar. They are more alike than different. What you get with the S2 over the 170 is more nuance. There is more 'air' between sounds and things like the musical soundtrack (in a well mastered audio track) can seem to have a more ethereal presence- seeming to just float in the air somewhat divorced from the other dialogue and effects in the track. That's a cool aspect when it's evident, but it's not necessarily an 'in your face' difference most of the time. It more like just sneaks up on me and then suddenly I'm aware of it.

But the main tonalities of both speakers sound the same to my ears. Dialogue is similarly clear in both. Most sounds tend to image where they are supposed to given their location on screen, etc. A small % less distortion, faster transient response...all these things tend to lift a veil to get you closer to the source- but in the case of the 170, it's a very thin veil. Stepping up to the S2 was not like pulling off a thick blanket from the 170 "Oh NOW I can hear what it's supposed to sound like!"- not at all.
You ever see a Blu-ray that didn't seem that much different or better than the DVD version, but if you scrutinized each frame you would see where the improvements were? that's sort of how I feel about these two. The improvements are there, just not always readily manifest. Especially with the wide variety of movie soundtracks you'll encounter.

OTOH, the difference I heard between the S2 and the Horizon was primarily one of scale. Everything is already there and in place with the S2, but stepping up to the Horizon was like suddenly having the sound as large as my screen. It may be hard to understand without hearing for yourself, but it's not simply a matter of the Horizon being louder. I have seen others describe the difference as being akin to being in the fifth row at a concert (the S2s) and being in the front row (the Horizon). To me the sound just seems larger- and that in and of itself is a welcome aspect when you are pairing it with a large projection system. I never had any complaints before with either the 170 or S2 seeming 'small'. On the contrary they seemed to scale perfectly to a life sized sound.
The Horizon (and I'm hoping the Towers as well) was simply a larger than life sound.

That's my take.
Out of everything Ascend offers I still feel the CBM 170's are the best value proposition. I feel like with the others you are getting a strong product at a fair price. With the 170's, you are SERIOUSLY getting a Very good speaker at a bargain price.

Haven't heard the 340s or Sierra 1s.
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When I finally get the towers in- which hopefully won't be more than a few weeks away- I plan to take one evening and rearrange the furniture so I can put the Sierra 2s in surround positions. Then I'll be able to get an inkling of how much RAALs all around adds (or not) to the experience over the 200s that I already find more than serviceable.

Gotta admit that finally seeing pics, these are pretty damn sexy little speakers. Was surprised they are even smaller (narrower) than the 200s.
If the soundscape is that much improved with RAALs in the back, it's going to be hard to resist these.
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I want then just for the size. My room is small and having the sierra 1s as rears really took up a lot of room. These will be perfect. Ill even be able to do 7.1 instead of 5.1
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Had interest but I can't see myself spending that sort of money for a surround duty speaker. My music listening habits are virtually in 2.1 and my current surrounds will suffice for movies. OTOH...for a small room or nearfield based orientation like some prefer these could easily be in the running... thou they're cute as a consumer I must draw the line somewhere....

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The first differences you would notice when comparing Sierra-1 and Sierra-2 for home theater would be the spaciousness and additional layers of midrange and high frequency clarity with the 2's. The Sierra-1's have slightly deeper bass, which is negated by use of a sub - while the 2's have better defined and tighter bass - more detail and accuracy.


Depending on your own ear and environment - the differences can range from noticeable but somewhat subtle - to extremely apparent.


One other big advantage of the 2's are that they offer surprising clarity even at low volume levels...


Hope this helps!

What would the difference be for mixed use between CMT340 and Sierra 1?
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Had interest but I can't see myself spending that sort of money for a surround duty speaker. My music listening habits are virtually in 2.1 and my current surrounds will suffice for movies. OTOH...for a small room or nearfield based orientation like some prefer these could easily be in the running... thou they're cute as a consumer I must draw the line somewhere....
Billy...my plan is to replace my HTM-200SE's used for surrounds with Lunas. The cost will be significant...but the Luna gave me the same feeling when I heard them as did the Sierra-2.

You have more invested in your 200SE's as you got them custom finished as well. I am also happy with my 200SE's as surrounds, so I am not in a rush. I think I will replace my pre/pro first.

Lunas all the way around in a small/medium room with a good sub would be awesome.

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What would the difference be for mixed use between CMT340 and Sierra 1?
The 340SE's are more efficient, so will play louder with the same amount of power. They are also a little more forward sounding then the Sierra-1. The 340SE does not play as deep as the Sierra-1, and is not as refined.

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Had interest but I can't see myself spending that sort of money for a surround duty speaker. My music listening habits are virtually in 2.1 and my current surrounds will suffice for movies. OTOH...for a small room or nearfield based orientation like some prefer these could easily be in the running... thou they're cute as a consumer I must draw the line somewhere....
Billy...my plan is to replace my HTM-200SE's used for surrounds with Lunas. The cost will be significant...but the Luna gave me the same feeling when I heard them as did the Sierra-2.

You have more invested in your 200SE's as you got them custom finished as well. I am also happy with my 200SE's as surrounds, so I am not in a rush. I think I will replace my pre/pro first.

Lunas all the way around in a small/medium room with a good sub would be awesome.
No doubt....I've being following the Luna thread for sometime now. Back when I purchased my Ascends our exchange rate was nearly at par.....as of today it's ~0.37 per US $$....speculated pricing puts this speaker in and around ~1k... I'd be looking at 1600-1700 cdn...all in that's a conservative estimate I'm afraid.

My next move will likely resemble yours to replace my current receiver with with a newer Anthem or perhaps Dirac system.

Btw.....I like your Montford video of"OneWitness"...iirc..highlighting the woofer on the Luna....most impressive...I wish Ascend the best of luck and except sales to be brisk......

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No doubt....I've being following the Luna thread for sometime now. Back when I purchased my Ascends our exchange rate was nearly at par.....as of today it's ~0.37 per US $$....speculated pricing puts this speaker in and around ~1k... I'd be looking at 1600-1700 cdn...all in and that estimate is conservative Imo.

My next move will likely resemble yours to replace my current receiver with with a newer Anthem or perhaps Dirac system.

Btw.....I like your Montford video of"OneWitness"...iirc..highlighting the woofer on the Luna....most impressive...I wish Ascend the best of luck and except sales to be brisk......
Oh wow...I didn't realize the exchange rate was that bad for you guys right now.

Currently, I'm leaning toward Dirac...the XMC-1. It's been on my radar for quite some time now as my Sherwood/Trinnov unit is getting pretty long in the tooth. Before heading to hear the Lunas on Wednesday, one guys I carpooled with gave us a demo of his, and he is pretty meticulous about things, so I know he has put it through its paces.

Quick story on how learned about Ray Montford. Years ago, Dr. Hsu used that One Witness track to demonstrate thier subwoofers. Then I found out the track was on some sort of Paradigm demo/promotion disc. I tracked down the artist to Ray Montford and his Shed Your Skin CD...it has been part of my audition material ever since. I follow him on Facebook and always ask him to perform in LA.
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Oh wow...I didn't realize the exchange rate was that bad for you guys right now.

Currently, I'm leaning toward Dirac...the XMC-1. It's been on my radar for quite some time now as my Sherwood/Trinnov unit is getting pretty long in the tooth. Before heading to hear the Lunas on Wednesday, one guys I carpooled with gave us a demo of his, and he is pretty meticulous about things, so I know he has put it through its paces.

Quick story on how learned about Ray Montford. Years ago, Dr. Hsu used that One Witness track to demonstrate thier subwoofers. Then I found out the track was on some sort of Paradigm demo/promotion disc. I tracked down the artist to Ray Montford and his Shed Your Skin CD...it has been part of my audition material ever since. I follow him on Facebook and always ask him to perform in LA.




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The 340SE's are more efficient, so will play louder with the same amount of power. They are also a little more forward sounding then the Sierra-1. The 340SE does not play as deep as the Sierra-1, and is not as refined.
I've heard the 340 and liked them, but would like a bit more detail in the highs. I would have thought a speaker with 2 6.5" drivers would hit lower than a single 5" driver. I'm currently using B+W 685S2 and like them, but am curious how the Sierra will compare.
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I'd be interested in a comparison between the Luna's and the 200's as surrounds. The Luna's would have to blow the 200's out of the water to be worth the investment, IMHO.


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Quick story on how learned about Ray Montford. Years ago, Dr. Hsu used that One Witness track to demonstrate thier subwoofers. Then I found out the track was on some sort of Paradigm demo/promotion disc. I tracked down the artist to Ray Montford and his Shed Your Skin CD...it has been part of my audition material ever since. I follow him on Facebook and always ask him to perform in LA.

I really like that One Witness track! It has an instrumental Days of the New vibe to it, who I'm a big fan of. I listened to the whole album and downloaded all but a few songs. Would appreciate suggestions for other stuff along the same lines.
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I've heard the 340 and liked them, but would like a bit more detail in the highs. I would have thought a speaker with 2 6.5" drivers would hit lower than a single 5" driver. I'm currently using B+W 685S2 and like them, but am curious how the Sierra will compare.
When you say more detail, how do you define it? The Sierra-1's do have more detail, but not has forward/bright as the 340SE's.

Don't let the driver size fool you...the Sierra-1 does play deeper, but not the ultimate output of the 340SEs...although they can play pretty loud.

If you really want detail....the Sierra-2 or Luna is what to go for.

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I'd be interested in a comparison between the Luna's and the 200's as surrounds. The Luna's would have to blow the 200's out of the water to be worth the investment, IMHO.
IMO, they do. They are essentially a Sierra-2 with a half octave less on the bass end.

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