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Will the Sierra 1's be ok paired with a Denon Avr x1300 or is that a complete waste of a speaker?
Yes, it will be OK
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Thinking of NRT towers for 90% HT. Can anyone comment on the differences in black bamboo vs black matte? I do love that espresso and cherry, though!
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It's pricey, but Dave Fabrikant has custom-made tall front-ported bookshelves in a Woofer-mid-tweeter-woofer configuration. I don't see the advantage unless you somehow have some recessed high bookshelf space to slot it into except as a center channel to slide in where the Horizon center won't fit.
I'm confused, you say you don't see the advantage:

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Because I run quality subs, I don't need the Sierra Tower to plumb to the 40Hz range, so I'd be happy with Sierra bookshelves if the tower's midrange could be reproduced. The Sierra-2's are no slouches, but the mid-range of the Sierra Towers is so damn good!

The RAAL tweeters are amazing, but I think the true magic of the Sierra Towers is in the mid-frequency range. Dave has selected a cost-effective high quality driver that performs superlatively in the frequencies which are delivered to it.
This to me sound like an advantage. I run a pair of funk 18.0c placed in stereo (happened to work well with room modes cause of funny room shape, they are till summed mono), so I have no need for low end performance and can cross as high as is required. I live in an apartment, and am limited for space, plus aesthetically I prefer bookshelves. I actually did price out a custom horizon center, but it's still got a lot of volume and port tuning for a range of audio that I will NEVER EVER use.

I have no intention of trying to push for a low crossover (I'm currently running 90hz just cause thats how things ended up, but 80 is fine too, but I was also equally happy at 120hz). So I literally NEVER use most of the volume/port tuning of the tower. Given how much a ported enclosure can improve efficiency, if nothing else I'd prefer something tuned to a higher port tuning that actually targets the range I am aiming for so I can get more overall efficiency. Also, to the best of my knowledge, the midwoofer of the tower is sealed anyway, which means it should work just as well regardless of enclosure, so to me, a bookshelf with the midwoofer makes way more sense than a big unnecessary woofer.

Bare in mind, I also ordered a pair of custom white Sierra boxes to swap my Sierra-2 guts into just because aesthetically I wanted white speakers. Custom or high cost doesn't really bother me (within reason). I'm actually contemplating seeing if he could build a 3-way bookshelf with the diamond tweeters he's been playing with.

Also, with bookshelves I have the option to use the same speaker for Mains and Surrounds . I contemplated towers as surrounds, but that just seems overly imposing, plus they aren't really tall enough for that.
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Thinking of NRT towers for 90% HT. Can anyone comment on the differences in black bamboo vs black matte? I do love that espresso and cherry, though!
Black bamboo is a stain finish, you can actually see the grain/bamboo through the finish when close up...it looks excellent.
Black matte is a painted finish.

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Just want to thank everyone again for their feedback. I put my order in last night for late April delivery (only downside - so anxious).

Kept going back and forth between the S2's and the towers and ended up settling on the towers with a horizon center. I'm sure the S2's would have been more than enough for me, but I would have always had that what if in the back of my mind. Next steps will be to replace my surrounds with Luna's or S2's and then upgrade my sub. I'm hoping this becomes my 'forever' system and cures my upgraditis (at least on the speaker side of things).

Also wanted to provide feedback on Ascend's customer service. After reading all the exceptional reviews about Dave and Dina, my expectations were high and the execution greatly exceeded them. Dina was wonderful - pleasant, knowledgeable and extremely flexible. She answered all my questions, reviewed all options available and even extended an opportunity to take delivery of some loaners until my speakers were available. Great experience all around and I haven't even heard the end product yet. I don't think I would have taken that leap of faith without the feedback here and on Ascend's forum.
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Just want to thank everyone again for their feedback. I put my order in last night for late April delivery (only downside - so anxious).

Kept going back and forth between the S2's and the towers and ended up settling on the towers with a horizon center. I'm sure the S2's would have been more than enough for me, but I would have always had that what if in the back of my mind. Next steps will be to replace my surrounds with Luna's or S2's and then upgrade my sub. I'm hoping this becomes my 'forever' system and cures my upgraditis (at least on the speaker side of things).

Also wanted to provide feedback on Ascend's customer service. After reading all the exceptional reviews about Dave and Dina, my expectations were high and the execution greatly exceeded them. Dina was wonderful - pleasant, knowledgeable and extremely flexible. She answered all my questions, reviewed all options available and even extended an opportunity to take delivery of some loaners until my speakers were available. Great experience all around and I haven't even heard the end product yet. I don't think I would have taken that leap of faith without the feedback here and on Ascend's forum.
Nice! That lengthy wait time is harsh. I guess Dave's business has picked up! Very happy for them. The Towers and Horizon are well worth the wait.

I can tell you that mine have completely absolved me of any want to upgrade. I went to a regular theater a couple days ago for the first time in a year and I was completely unimpressed and greatly missed my system. With the Sierras, a powerful amp, and good room correction, you just can't go wrong.
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Nice! That lengthy wait time is harsh. I guess Dave's business has picked up! Very happy for them. The Towers and Horizon are well worth the wait.



I can tell you that mine have completely absolved me of any want to upgrade. I went to a regular theater a couple days ago for the first time in a year and I was completely unimpressed and greatly missed my system. With the Sierras, a powerful amp, and good room correction, you just can't go wrong.


I agree completely! It's a much more satisfying experience in my own space than in a conventional theater.


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Nice! That lengthy wait time is harsh. I guess Dave's business has picked up! Very happy for them. The Towers and Horizon are well worth the wait.

I can tell you that mine have completely absolved me of any want to upgrade. I went to a regular theater a couple days ago for the first time in a year and I was completely unimpressed and greatly missed my system. With the Sierras, a powerful amp, and good room correction, you just can't go wrong.

Hey Sludge,


Biz here has been remarkably steady for many years now. We just sold our last pair of SE towers just a few days ago but the good news is that our local cabinet maker is getting a bit quicker with our orders these days. Right now they are focused on a very large first production run of the forthcoming Luna's - and I have learned (the hard way) that they do a lot better when we don't overwhelm with orders - best for them to focus on one product at a time for us. As of today, I would estimate wait time for towers to be between 6-8 weeks.


Happy to hear that you continue to enjoy your system!!! I too haven't been to a movie theater in quite some time, and considering how much it costs these days to bring my entire family - a great audio / home theater system really saves $$$ over time...

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Hey Sludge,


Biz here has been remarkably steady for many years now. We just sold our last pair of SE towers just a few days ago but the good news is that our local cabinet maker is getting a bit quicker with our orders these days. Right now they are focused on a very large first production run of the forthcoming Luna's - and I have learned (the hard way) that they do a lot better when we don't overwhelm with orders - best for them to focus on one product at a time for us. As of today, I would estimate wait time for towers to be between 6-8 weeks.


Happy to hear that you continue to enjoy your system!!! I too haven't been to a movie theater in quite some time, and considering how much it costs these days to bring my entire family - a great audio / home theater system really saves $$$ over time...
Happy to hear that! Makes sense to give the cabinet maker some time. Emotiva and Schiit have had the same kind of issues with some products running out of stock for a while as they focus on new product runs. It is remarkable that Ascend is able to keep such a wide profile of products with parts from as far away as Serbia and US made cabinets at low prices relative to the competition. That in itself is a feat of engineering.

Even though my theater only seats two people, I still feel like I get an incredible bargain out of it =)

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I'm about 90% HT and in the market for new speakers. Is there a significant difference between the sound quality of the NRT tower and 340? The 340s get excellent reviews but I would hope the tower is in another league.
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Just picked up a used local pair of Sierra 1's today.. My first experience with Sierras. The cabinets are INSANE! Sounded like I was knocking on a solid block of wood.
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uncmt9,i think you would be happy with the nrt towers. we love our nrt towers with the raal horizon center,have not heard the 340s but I bet they sound amazing.
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I'm about 90% HT and in the market for new speakers. Is there a significant difference between the sound quality of the NRT tower and 340? The 340s get excellent reviews but I would hope the tower is in another league.
I would say there is. The Tower mid range driver, NrT and woofers are the "package". I think you'll love them.

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I finally made the decision to go with the Sierra 2 for surround duty over the Luna. In a perfect world I'd have matching towers for surrounds but since my wife would string me up by my ears if I tried that...I figured a pair of S2 would get me pretty close!

Cant wait to get them set up

Adding to the home vs. movie theater discussion... since getting our Sierra towers and Horizon my wife has no interest in going to the theater. We both enjoy the home experience more.

Thanks Dave and Ascend for making these most excellent speakers.
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I have a room that is about 12 x 12 with 8 foot ceiling that I wll be using or about 2 years it is my mancave. After 2 or 3 years the front room that is 14x 12 with 8 foot celling will become avaible. I belive my hearing has goten worse i have a mild tendinites from work maybe and whatching everthing in a huge room with power and sound speakers. I was thinking of geting Sierra 2 and the horizon center with RALL.

Would this be to overberaring for a room this size?

Or would i just be better off geting a sound bar. I dont want to damage my hearing much more.
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What is a fair price range for used Sierra 1's ?
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What is a fair price range for used Sierra 1's ?
I sold my 7 year old Sierra Ones for $475 three weeks ago.
I felt it was a fair price, the buyer was very excited to get
Them. I listed them for $500 (Craigslist) and was prepared to
Go as low as $450. I actually gave the buyer $25 off because
He didn't even attempt to 'low ball' me.

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I sold my 7 year old Sierra Ones for $475 three weeks ago.
I felt it was a fair price, the buyer was very excited to get
Them. I listed them for $500 (Craigslist) and was prepared to
Go as low as $450. I actually gave the buyer $25 off because
He didn't even attempt to 'low ball' me.

I upgraded to the Sierra 2's.
Thanks for responding I have seen them go cheaper but not in my area

I am glad both you and the buyer were happy🙂

Oh yeah I forgot to say (under my breath) lucky bas***d
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I have a room that is about 12 x 12 with 8 foot ceiling that I wll be using or about 2 years it is my mancave. After 2 or 3 years the front room that is 14x 12 with 8 foot celling will become avaible. I belive my hearing has goten worse i have a mild tendinites from work maybe and whatching everthing in a huge room with power and sound speakers. I was thinking of geting Sierra 2 and the horizon center with RALL.

Would this be to overberaring for a room this size?

Or would i just be better off geting a sound bar. I dont want to damage my hearing much more.
No, there is no reason this would be overbearing. These speakers sound fantastic played softly or loudly. You could also just get another Sierra-2 as a center channel. It works well for me
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Anybody have a natural Sierra 1 center they want to get rid of? It'll take me a bit longer for a new one, so thought I'd inquire here first.
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I can tell you that mine have completely absolved me of any want to upgrade. I went to a regular theater a couple days ago for the first time in a year and I was completely unimpressed and greatly missed my system. With the Sierras, a powerful amp, and good room correction, you just can't go wrong.
When I originally read this post, it was with a wink and a smile. I thought there was just a teeny bit of hyperbole there, but chalked it up to enthusiasm and affection for a well made product as well as pride of ownership.

Then two days later I made my first trip out to the theater to see Logan and walked away with the exact same reaction. So much of the experience was inferior to what I now experience at home- especially the sound.

I thought I'd had "theater quality" sound when I had the CBM 170 set up, and in retrospect I really think I did! They were commensurate with what I could expect most of the time going out to the theater at the time, and that was perfectly in line with my wants and needs when I started to build a HT on a restricted budget.

When I upgraded last year, first to to the Sierra 2s and then to the Towers/Horizon, what I wanted was sound that was of a higher caliber than the average theater. After this last experience, I absolutely believe now I've achieved that. Even if I had just quit at the S2's, I'd still be well ahead of what I heard at that screening.
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When I originally read this post, it was with a wink and a smile. I thought there was just a teeny bit of hyperbole there, but chalked it up to enthusiasm and affection for a well made product as well as pride of ownership.

Then two days later I made my first trip out to the theater to see Logan and walked away with the exact same reaction. So much of the experience was inferior to what I now experience at home- especially the sound.

I thought I'd had "theater quality" sound when I had the CBM 170 set up, and in retrospect I really think I did! They were commensurate with what I could expect most of the time going out to the theater at the time, and that was perfectly in line with my wants and needs when I started to build a HT on a restricted budget.

When I upgraded last year, first to to the Sierra 2s and then to the Towers/Horizon, what I wanted was sound that was of a higher caliber than the average theater. After this last experience, I absolutely believe now I've achieved that. Even if I had just quit at the S2's, I'd still be well ahead of what I heard at that screening.
That is really fantastic!! My girlfriend had the same level of skepticism before we went to that movie. She totally thought the theater was going to be great and was really surprised to admit that it was better at home. It felt like a huge win for me because she had given me a lot of crap on how much money and how many hundreds of hours I spent getting this system researched, bought, and tweaked. It took me well over a year to finally decide on Ascend (was set on Aperion before, and Tekton (ew) before that).

Sometimes I feel like I've gone a bit crazy with audiophile nervosa, and, as you said, a good deal of pride in my system, so it is great to get some feedback from a level-headed person who has had the same experience.

I think the most startling difference is in the soundstage and imaging. In that big theater, all I could really discern were sounds coming from left, right, and center. It's a very flat projection from those speakers out into the crowd. At home, with my Sierras, you can hear sounds coming from every direction, and it is very difficult (at times) to tell which speaker is actually producing the sound. After that, I felt like the impact and visceral quality at the theater was well below mine. On the Sierra Towers/Horizon, when people scream in movies at reference volumes, you can feel it in your bones. Adding the F12's in, during big action scenes with a lot of LFE, I can feel my couch rattle, and I can feel my feet vibrate underneath me. I didn't feel that even a little bit at the regular theater. Sure, there was a lot of bass, but I didn't feel it.

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So long story short, I have had my Sierras for quite a while now (back in 2011 i think). Last year I upgraded them to Sierra-2s and got some Towers for mains. The Original cabinets are Gloss Expresso, the Towers I got are Satin Black, and I never really felt like they went together well. I concocted a plan where my friend would pay for me to buy a new pair of cabinets and then I would keep the new cabinets he would get the old ones and all the NrT guts for himself. I was originally just going to go with Satin Black to match my speakers, but I figured I might as well see what my other options would be.

Anyway, I got my cabinets and finally got around to swapping my Sierra-2 guts into the new cabinets and thought I'd share. They are Satin White (same style as Satin Black... just white ):



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Old Cabinet (Chinese?):
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Anyway, I think the White cabinets look amazing. I actually bet they would sell better than many of the other options were they a standard finish.
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Anyone used this to bypass the lowest frequencies to their Sierra-2? They let you pick 2 crossover frequencies from 30 - 150 Hz.

What would you recommend as the frequecies to use? I am thinking 80 Hz for option 1 and 100 or 120 Hz for option 2.

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Anyone used this to bypass the lowest frequencies to their Sierra-2? They let you pick 2 crossover frequencies from 30 - 150 Hz.

What would you recommend as the frequecies to use? I am thinking 80 Hz for option 1 and 100 or 120 Hz for option 2.

Thoughts?

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/...ss-filter.html

I'm not using that product, my stereo receiver (Outlaw rr2150)
Has analog bass mgmt.

I've read that Dave (of Ascend) recommends a xover of 60hz.
When i studied the freq response graphs of my Sierra 2's I noticed
They started dropping slightly at about 70hz.
I use a xover of 80hz. Tried the 60 hz too but didn't notice any difference. Never tried 100hz. I've got my Paradigm sub EQ'd using
PBK (perfect bass kit) and have a flat response up to about 120hz.

I think any 2 between 60 & 100 would be good. If you listen at a
Loud volume and/or sit at a distance I would suggest a higher
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So long story short, I have had my Sierras for quite a while now (back in 2011 i think). Last year I upgraded them to Sierra-2s and got some Towers for mains. The Original cabinets are Gloss Expresso, the Towers I got are Satin Black, and I never really felt like they went together well. I concocted a plan where my friend would pay for me to buy a new pair of cabinets and then I would keep the new cabinets he would get the old ones and all the NrT guts for himself. I was originally just going to go with Satin Black to match my speakers, but I figured I might as well see what my other options would be.

Anyway, I got my cabinets and finally got around to swapping my Sierra-2 guts into the new cabinets and thought I'd share. They are Satin White (same style as Satin Black... just white ):



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Anyway, I think the White cabinets look amazing. I actually bet they would sell better than many of the other options were they a standard finish.
Are these white cabinets the ones with the larger looking port on the back? Can you post a pic of the rear of the cabinet?
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I have a room that is about 12 x 12 with 8 foot ceiling that I wll be using or about 2 years it is my mancave. After 2 or 3 years the front room that is 14x 12 with 8 foot celling will become avaible. I belive my hearing has goten worse i have a mild tendinites from work maybe and whatching everthing in a huge room with power and sound speakers. I was thinking of geting Sierra 2 and the horizon center with RALL.

Would this be to overberaring for a room this size?

Or would i just be better off getting a sound bar. I dont want to damage my hearing much more.
I have tinnitus as well and I have found the ribbons to be a great solution. I just upgraded my rear surrounds from the Ascend CBM170 to Sierra 2 and immediately noticed the differences... the S2 are more detailed and they don't bother my ears like the previous dome tweeters did.

I think you'd be extremely pleased with the S2+Horizon.

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Hi guys, can someone recommend In-Wall speakers that would go well with the Sierra Towers (w/RAAL) and Horizon Center (w/RAAL). My specific room doesn't allow for typical rear speakers, it's a great-room with an open area, they need to be "In-Ceiling" or in the back side walls positioned towards the MLP. Also I'll need 4 In-Ceiling speakers for Atmos.

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Hi guys, can someone recommend In-Wall speakers that would go well with the Sierra Towers (w/RAAL) and Horizon Center (w/RAAL). My specific room doesn't allow for typical rear speakers, it's a great-room with an open area, they need to be "In-Ceiling" or in the back side walls positioned towards the MLP. Also I'll need 4 In-Ceiling speakers for Atmos.

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The New Sierra Luna with front port would be your best choice. Dave mentioned over Ascend forum that you can place the Luna against the wall so I don't see any problem if you place it in-wall or even in-ceilling.

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The New Sierra Luna with front port would be your best choice. Dave mentioned over Ascend forum that you can place the Luna against the wall so I don't see any problem if you place it in-wall or even in-ceilling.
Thanks for the advise. I left a message for Dina, hoping she'll reach out today. I placed my order yesterday for the towers and horizon. My first thought was to use something like the Def Tech UIW RSS III for the surrounds and the DI-8R's for the ceilings. I'll wait to hear back from Dave or Dina about the Luna though, if I could make them work I'd rather do that.

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