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Are you getting some to complement your M2s?
Yes. My plan is for an Atmos setup with them.
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Yes. My plan is for an Atmos setup with them.
That will make for one amazing sounding setup for sure! If you are getting them soonish, then I will definitely look forward hearing any impressions you care to write about them. Hopefully they end up sounding very similar to the M2s.
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That will make for one amazing sounding setup for sure! If you are getting them soonish, then I will definitely look forward hearing any impressions you care to write about them. Hopefully they end up sounding very similar to the M2s.
If they can get them close to the M2's I'll be thrilled. We'll see. The M2 remains the best speaker I've ever heard to this point though, so it's a high bar.

There's another GTG this weekend so I'll get another chance to compare the M2's to some more speakers. The last GTG an M2 amp died on me, so they were a bit crippled. This one I'll get to open them up for a group that has no idea of their output capability. Should be fun . I have to remember to bring my earplugs though. The M2's have such a remarkably low distortion that you don't realize the SPL levels. The last GTG we needed about 5-6 more dB at the mic position compared to the JTR's to feel a similar loudness. And that didn't surprise me since I knew they had significantly lower distortion than my JTR 212's. Hard to think that's possible if you were to hear the JTR 212's, but its true. I sometimes ring my ears at home because I don't realize the volume, so I have to be very cautious.
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I was following the other GTG thread as well - pretty bad luck. Will definitely look forward to reading people's impressions from the new GTG. Got to say, from your comments, the M2s sound amazing. I'm really hoping the 7 series deliver as I don't really have a backup plan (the M2s are unfortunately beyond what I can afford). Anyway, I hope you all have a great GTG. Let the M2s rip!
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I was following the other GTG thread as well - pretty bad luck. Will definitely look forward to reading people's impressions from the new GTG. Got to say, from your comments, the M2s sound amazing. I'm really hoping the 7 series deliver as I don't really have a backup plan (the M2s are unfortunately beyond what I can afford). Anyway, I hope you all have a great GTG. Let the M2s rip!
Yeah, I'm hoping for good things from the 7's too. I'm only getting two initially to evaluate in my room before I pull the trigger on any others. There are too many options for surrounds with Atmos to make any rash decisions based solely on the fact that they have similar design elements as the M2's.
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I planned to buy myself some M2s, but I think I will wait for more information on the 7 series. I hope to see some measurements.
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I was wondering if any knew if the Northridge E models all used the same tweeter? I blew the tweeter in my E80 and I am having a hard time tracking down a new one. I have a pair of E10's sitting in disuse in my basement. I was wondering if I could take the tweeter out of the E10 and put it in the E80?
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I'm currently running a Venue Series setup. Stadium, Voice, Balcony with a Sub12. I was thinking about replacing my center with an S Center II since it has a mid range driver. Can anyone tell me if that will cause problems or am I better of sticking with my Voice center?
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I'm currently running a Venue Series setup. Stadium, Voice, Balcony with a Sub12. I was thinking about replacing my center with an S Center II since it has a mid range driver. Can anyone tell me if that will cause problems or am I better of sticking with my Voice center?
Sounds like a good move to me. The S-Center is a bit difficult to place due to its shape, but it'll be a good match for your system.
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Sounds like a good move to me. The S-Center is a bit difficult to place due to its shape, but it'll be a good match for your system.
Thanks. It seems to be the same design as the Voice so I'm hoping that won't be a problem. I got my Venue series about 2007 and I believe the S-Center II was selling around 2002. With it being an older speaker wasn't sure how well it would match up or if JBL had made some upgrades thru the years in speaker performance.
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Another question, I was first thinking about purchasing a JBL LC2 but wasn't quite sure how that would affect my front sound stage regarding the Stadiums and a power hungry LC2 using a new Onkyo 636. Since reading good reviews on the S-Center II, thought it would be easier on the wallet to find a used one if it would be a better fit as my center channel. I've been happy using the Voice center but have always wondered if I should replace it.
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Another question, I was first thinking about purchasing a JBL LC2 but wasn't quite sure how that would affect my front sound stage regarding the Stadiums and a power hungry LC2 using a new Onkyo 636. Since reading good reviews on the S-Center II, thought it would be easier on the wallet to find a used one if it would be a better fit as my center channel. I've been happy using the Voice center but have always wondered if I should replace it.
The S-Center is a better match than the LC2.
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I planned to buy myself some M2s, but I think I will wait for more information on the 7 series. I hope to see some measurements.
You thinking of using the 7's as mains?
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The S-Center is a better match than the LC2.
Cool, found me one. Eagerly waiting its arrival!
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DIRAC is your tool for now. It will show you a "before" FR ... which is what you need right now. Again, you need to one speaker with the mic pointed straight at the speaker from 3' away on-axis. Disconnect speakers if needed to get down to one LCR. That is going to tell you a lot. Make sure the output spl of the test signal is robust (to overcome local ambient noise such as the fridge, etc.).
I did the test and the speakers seem fine from what I can tell by the graph, so it must be the room. They really do sound awesome with the Dirac filter on the XMC-1.

This was the center and I'm guessing the lows drop off on the graph because the 6" drivers are pointed to the sides on the PC600 and the mic was fairly close.


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I did the test and the speakers seem fine from what I can tell by the graph, so it must be the room. They really do sound awesome with the Dirac filter on the XMC-1.

This was the center and I'm guessing the lows drop off on the graph because the 6" drivers are pointed to the sides on the PC600 and the mic was fairly close.

I understand your theory, but if you're at 3' or so, I don't think that's what is causing what you see between 100Hz and 300Hz.

We can't compare apples (the screen with the two PT800s) to this one of the center (oranges). Please reduce the variables by doing a near-field measurement of a PT800 so that we can assess better.


Do I also see that the earlier post with the steep roll-off is an after-EQ measurement? If so, what we need is two before-EQ measurements of the same speaker; one near-field, the other an average from the listening area. Then we will be comparing apples to apples.

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I understand your theory, but if you're at 3' or so, I don't think that's what is causing what you see between 100Hz and 300Hz.

We can't compare apples (the screen with the two PT800s) to this one of the center (oranges). Please reduce the variables by doing a near-field measurement of a PT800 so that we can assess better.


Do I also see that the earlier post with the steep roll-off is an after-EQ measurement? If so, what we need is two before-EQ measurements of the same speaker; one near-field, the other an average from the listening area. Then we will be comparing apples to apples.
The step roll off was before Dirac. After Dirac it is corrected. The first pic should show 3 lines, target, before and after from the 9 different positions. The second pic only shows target and before from up close, because I didn't complete the setup there is no correction line.

No pics of the whole room, but maybe you can use these to get an idea of what it is like. All concrete and glass with no acoustic treatments at all except for the rug in front of the front speakers. Look through the people to see the walls, doors and windows. All walls are solid concrete as well as the floor and ceiling.
























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The step roll off was before Dirac. After Dirac it is corrected. The first pic should show 3 lines, target, before and after from the 9 different positions. The second pic only shows target and before from up close, because I didn't complete the setup there is no correction line.

No pics of the whole room, but maybe you can use these to get an idea of what it is like. All concrete and glass with no acoustic treatments at all except for the rug in front of the front speakers. Look through the people to see the walls, doors and windows. All walls are solid concrete as well as the floor and ceiling.



Hey Mark. When did you get your HTPS400's and from where did you get them?
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You thinking of using the 7's as mains?
If they're as good as I think they might be. I like the idea of a matching surround set of them, too.
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Oh, dude, you're livin' the good life. Thanks for sharing those fun times! What are you feeding that cat?! It looks huge!

When you have the time, those two before-EQ measurements of the left PT800 would tell us a lot I think. Also, note where the mic positions are when doing the listening area measurements. Of course, make sure none of the subs are contributing to those two measurements.


FWIW, the proximity of the side wall/window to the right PT800 is going to induce some first reflection issues. Food for thought.

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Hey Mark. When did you get your HTPS400's and from where did you get them?
Doug hooked me up with a guy named Shane about a year ago. Sadly I lost his contact info when my email account died suddenly.

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Oh, dude, you're livin' the good life. Thanks for sharing those fun times! What are you feeding that cat?! It looks huge!

When you have the time, those two before-EQ measurements of the left PT800 would tell us a lot I think. Also, note where the mic positions are when doing the listening area measurements. Of course, make sure none of the subs are contributing to those two measurements.


FWIW, the proximity of the side wall/window to the right PT800 is going to induce some first reflection issues. Food for thought.
We do have fun now and then and of course it's about the only time I take pictures in the house and who doesn't like a good party now and then. Cat is not big, it must be the angle.

I feel good about the first test that shows no drop off. That at least tells me the speakers are working. Whatever Dirac heard and corrected I really like it. This is the LE version of Dirac and I'll be buying the $100 upgrade to the full version soon. This will give me more control and more info. For now I'm happy knowing the speakers are working and the sound is truly exceptional. Dirac is amazing.

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Doug hooked me up with a guy named Shane about a year ago. Sadly I lost his contact info when my email account died suddenly.

They are still available.
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I feel good about the first test that shows no drop off. That at least tells me the speakers are working. Whatever Dirac heard and corrected I really like it. This is the LE version of Dirac and I'll be buying the $100 upgrade to the full version soon. This will give me more control and more info. For now I'm happy knowing the speakers are working and the sound is truly exceptional. Dirac is amazing.
I'd still like to see that PC600 out from the wall in the same plane as the PT800, you're getting a lot of reflections off it. But all things considered you've done very well with a space-limited all-purpose room.

Did I see a L8400P in one picture, are you still using those too? Cripes, with the 2 HTPS400 and the PS1400, how do you keep any glass in that room?
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^Haha! I didn't even notice the L8400P until you pointed it out.
I was thinking the same thing though, about the bass being outrageous. I would think that the 2 PS1400 would be plenty.
I do vaguely remember him saying something one time about partying outside and
he wanted enough bass to really hear it outside the house with windows and doors open.
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If they can get them close to the M2's I'll be thrilled. We'll see. The M2 remains the best speaker I've ever heard to this point though, so it's a high bar.
Are you guys referring to the LSR705i & 708i?

I have high hope for the Image Control Waveguide and 2409H High Frequency transducer. I'm thinking of the 705i with 15" mid bass module crossovered at 200Hz (the 5" woofer looks puny).

705 vs 305.... which is better for movies?
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If they're as good as I think they might be. I like the idea of a matching surround set of them, too.
Yeah, could be a potentially very nice sounding setup.

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Are you guys referring to the LSR705i & 708i?

I have high hope for the Image Control Waveguide and 2409H High Frequency transducer. I'm thinking of the 705i with 15" mid bass module crossovered at 200Hz (the 5" woofer looks puny).

705 vs 305.... which is better for movies?
Until the 7 series is out in the wild it's impossible to know. I would assume the 7 series though since compression drivers typically do better than dome tweeters with the dynamics of movie soundtracks IME.

As to the waveguide, I'm interested to see the performance as it scales down in size. Not sure that any comparison will actually happen though since it's about two years out now and I still I can't find a single professional review of the M2 with independent measurements.

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I did the test and the speakers seem fine from what I can tell by the graph, so it must be the room. They really do sound awesome with the Dirac filter on the XMC-1.

This was the center and I'm guessing the lows drop off on the graph because the 6" drivers are pointed to the sides on the PC600 and the mic was fairly close.

I just came across this, and I have a Dirac tip for you...

On the right side of the graph, it shoots up where it transitions out of your EQ window. Dirac will tend to do that by default on speakers with an extended frequency response. I have found that will lead to a harsh sound. You can fix that by zooming in to the right side of the graph. When you are zoomed in, you can drag the EQ window further right that you could zoomed out. Once you have done that, you can create a target curve that follows the natural slope, and going down at the limit, rather than shooting up.

Since this is on the XMC-1, you might need that $99 upgrade to do this, if it is available (no idea).
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I'd still like to see that PC600 out from the wall in the same plane as the PT800, you're getting a lot of reflections off it. But all things considered you've done very well with a space-limited all-purpose room.

Did I see a L8400P in one picture, are you still using those too? Cripes, with the 2 HTPS400 and the PS1400, how do you keep any glass in that room?
L8400's are not hooked up. I use the HTPS400's for LFE only and the mains handle 2.0. The PC600 is mounted on brackets so it floats out from the wall. Tweeters are very close to same distance as fronts. With this shot you can see by its shadow it is out.


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