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I just came across this, and I have a Dirac tip for you...

On the right side of the graph, it shoots up where it transitions out of your EQ window. Dirac will tend to do that by default on speakers with an extended frequency response. I have found that will lead to a harsh sound. You can fix that by zooming in to the right side of the graph. When you are zoomed in, you can drag the EQ window further right that you could zoomed out. Once you have done that, you can create a target curve that follows the natural slope, and going down at the limit, rather than shooting up.

Since this is on the XMC-1, you might need that $99 upgrade to do this, if it is available (no idea).
Thanks, upgrade should be available soon.

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Thanks, upgrade should be available soon.
You might be able to do it without editing the target curve. Does that handle on the right side of the correction window work? If so, just zoom in and drag it right enough to replace that ramp at the end with a flat or rounded corner.
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You might be able to do it without editing the target curve. Does that handle on the right side of the correction window work? If so, just zoom in and drag it right enough to replace that ramp at the end with a flat or rounded corner.
I'll check when I have some time. I have to leave for work soon.

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I finally have my system all set up, Denon AVR X4000, Jbl 590''s, 530's and a 520, as well as an SVS PB 2000. I decided I wanted to try listening to music in just two channel mode, so I set my 590's to large, and began playing some music. I feel like there is hardly any bass coming out of these. The highs sound good, but there just doesn't seem to be much bass. I have read reviews and many people talk about having to put in the port plugs to reduce bass, so I assume something is not correct...

In a small bedroom, speakers about 6 feet apart
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L8400's are not hooked up. I use the HTPS400's for LFE only and the mains handle 2.0.
I keep my PS stacks on a 40Hz crossover all the time with the subs handling <40. It does sometimes make a difference even for 2-ch listening. Of course, I also have the PS1400 connected as subs, so they still get that LF stuff anyway. That configuration also gives me the option of turning that LFE dial on the PS1400 and boosting output under 40Hz.
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I keep my PS stacks on a 40Hz crossover all the time with the subs handling <40. It does sometimes make a difference even for 2-ch listening. Of course, I also have the PS1400 connected as subs, so they still get that LF stuff anyway. That configuration also gives me the option of turning that LFE dial on the PS1400 and boosting output under 40Hz.
I might try that when I get the full version of Dirac. It was a little bit of a challenge getting it to properly set up the two 400's for LFE with my very limited skills. The XMC is a .2 system, but I ended up going mono with a splitter to get the best LFE. SOmeone told me a minidsp can help with setting up multiple subs.

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I might try that when I get the full version of Dirac. It was a little bit of a challenge getting it to properly set up the two 400's for LFE with my very limited skills. The XMC is a .2 system, but I ended up going mono with a splitter to get the best LFE. SOmeone told me a minidsp can help with setting up multiple subs.
My Yamaha offers 2 sub outputs configured as stereo, front-rear or mono x2. I use monox2 because its the only way to have all subs working equally. It still sets them up correctly for levels and distance. I have 4 connected, BTW, so its really mono x4. I don't see any reason to be splitting hairs with sub setup, its not that critical. Big boom-boom = happy camper.
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My Yamaha offers 2 sub outputs configured as stereo, front-rear or mono x2. I use monox2 because its the only way to have all subs working equally. It still sets them up correctly for levels and distance. I have 4 connected, BTW, so its really mono x4. I don't see any reason to be splitting hairs with sub setup, its not that critical. Big boom-boom = happy camper.
I think my trouble was getting the phase dialed in. o worked better than 180 and I got it too work ok, but it sounds better with the dual mono calibration. I have no clue why. Maybe they were canceling each other out to a point. I'm still a novice at room correction and even more so at bass management. I do like to feel it though and in mono with the splitter it has more punch and seems cleaner. It might help if I knew what I was doing though.


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This turned up on eBay today. I already have spares, but if anyone wants one here you go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-Midrange...item2edd2ede4d

Not an exact match due to the flange color, but it *should* be a 904ti.

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Doug hooked me up with a guy named Shane about a year ago. Sadly I lost his contact info when my email account died suddenly.
Is that why all my emails to you bounce back?

BTW, those HTPS400s were mine before they were Shane's.

What I can afford, when I can afford it...
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Is that why all my emails to you bounce back?

BTW, those HTPS400s were mine before they were Shane's.
Yes, sorry. I thought I emailed you from the new account. Maybe not. [email protected]

I know, just didn't think it was my place to say.

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^ Not to be a forum Nazi, but you should never put your email address on a public forum like that.
Anyone can get a hold of it and use it for evil purposes, lol.
You may very well start getting a ton of spam if 'bots' find and use it to send such crap to anyone they can.
I would suggest deleting it and send it to him via PM message.
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^ Not to be a forum Nazi, but you should never put your email address on a public forum like that.
Anyone can get a hold of it and use it for evil purposes, lol.
You may very well start getting a ton of spam if 'bots' find and use it to send such crap to anyone they can.
I would suggest deleting it and send it to him via PM message.
I know, don't care... Thanks for the suggestion though.

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I replaced the drivers, turned out I had one had crossover. Going to have it repaired. Also re finished the fronts since the drivers were out.
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I have jbl e30 for fronts,in a 7.1 jbl system and I would like to go with either jbl es30,which is kind of hard to get (second hand) or studio l830?
also,if I go with l830,I also have the chance of changing my center channel,from es25 to lc1.

is l830 better than es30? for sure is better than e30
is lc1 better than es25?
thank you
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Here's the picture. Picked up these S412Ps for $50
You need to go back to whoever you stole those from and give them a big wet kiss.
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JBL Sythesis SDA7200 amp page is out:
http://www.jblsynthesis.com/Products/Details/257#specs

Is it pased on the Crown amplifier? If yes, which model of Crown?
Anyone getting one for their JBL speakers?
I wonder how's the price.
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I have jbl e30 for fronts,in a 7.1 jbl system and I would like to go with either jbl es30,which is kind of hard to get (second hand) or studio l830?
also,if I go with l830,I also have the chance of changing my center channel,from es25 to lc1.

is l830 better than es30? for sure is better than e30
is lc1 better than es25?
thank you
I have never actually heard the ES-series, but based on the specs and interweb talk, I think they are basically a side step from the E-series.
I personally went from owning the E-series to the L-series and it is definitely a significant step up in quality/performance.
If you are considering the L830, I would suggest looking at the tower speakers in the same line too if you have room for them.
I actually use 3 LC2s for my theater room setup since I was able to get them at a good price at the time, and they fit my theater room nicely.
I would also advise trying the LC2 over the LC1 for the center if you are considering that too.
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Hi guys I have a 7.1 system that consist of JBL LC1 center, e60 fronts and L810's for surround. I have an onkyo 809 and adcom 7700 amp. I wanted to upgrade my fronts and was thinking of the studio 270. My question is would this be a good upgrade or should I go with something else to go from the e60's.
Oh and my sub is a klipsch rt-10D

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Hi guys I have a 7.1 system that consist of JBL LC1 center, e60 fronts and L810's for surround. I have an onkyo 809 and adcom 7700 amp. I wanted to upgrade my fronts and was thinking of the studio 270. My question is would this be a good upgrade or should I go with something else to go from the e60's.
Oh and my sub is a klipsch rt-10D
You have L810s and an LC1... why not get L-series for the fronts too so that it's a nicely matched system??
If you like the Studio-series better, then I would recommend getting rid of the LC1,
and replace all 3 front speakers with Studio-series speakers.
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Hi guys I have a 7.1 system that consist of JBL LC1 center, e60 fronts and L810's for surround. I have an onkyo 809 and adcom 7700 amp. I wanted to upgrade my fronts and was thinking of the studio 270. My question is would this be a good upgrade or should I go with something else to go from the e60's.
Oh and my sub is a klipsch rt-10D
You have L810s and an LC1... why not get L-series for the fronts too so that it's a nicely matched system??
If you like the Studio-series better, then I would recommend getting rid of the LC1,
and replace all 3 front speakers with Studio-series speakers.
The reason I was considering the studio is because of the price there is a pair on sale for $450 vs $450 each for the L-series. But if that won't be Much of an upgrade then I will just stick with the e60 for now
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The reason I was considering the studio is because of the price there is a pair on sale for $450 vs $450 each for the L-series. But if that won't be Much of an upgrade then I will just stick with the e60 for now
I'm sure that the move from E60 to the Studio 270 would probably be pretty significant.
If you are sure the deal is a good one ($450 for the PAIR would be a great price) ...
(but be careful buying used, and for new, be sure it isn't a listing error or a scam)
then it might be a good move to get them and then do another upgrade later for the center channel if you can.
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The reason I was considering the studio is because of the price there is a pair on sale for $450 vs $450 each for the L-series. But if that won't be Much of an upgrade then I will just stick with the e60 for now
I'm sure that the move from E60 to the Studio 270 would probably be pretty significant.
If you are sure the deal is a good one ($450 for the PAIR would be a great price) ...
(but be careful buying used, and for new, be sure it isn't a listing error or a scam)
then it might be a good move to get them and then do another upgrade later for the center channel if you can.
Thanks for the info and yea it's for the pair it is an open box with some miner scuffs on the cabinet.
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Thanks for the info and yea it's for the pair it is an open box with some miner scuffs on the cabinet.
Just be sure that it doesn't have any damaged drivers or internal damage,
and that you can return them if damage is discovered after purchase.

EDIT: I think I found the ones you are eyeing.
Again it can be risky buying without knowing that they may have internal damage, blown tweeters, etc...
Seller says you can return them, but you will have to pay for return shipping AND the price of original shipping
will also be deducted from the refund price, and that may end up being a lot of money. (unless maybe they are local to you for local pickup)

Another thing to consider...
You can monitor Ebay to hopefully find a good deal on some other used speakers that aren't so risky to buy.
Especially if you want matching L-series to go with your other speakers.
It takes time and patience to find that kind of deal sometimes, but usually worth if you have the time but not the money to buy new.

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I have jbl e30 for fronts,in a 7.1 jbl system and I would like to go with either jbl es30,which is kind of hard to get (second hand) or studio l830?
also,if I go with l830,I also have the chance of changing my center channel,from es25 to lc1.

is l830 better than es30? for sure is better than e30
is lc1 better than es25?
thank you

Hi, I'm using ES30s for my surrounds and they are wonderful and underrated speakers IMO. "Little Goliaths" I call them - very impressive power handling and volume capability!
I think the ES series is better than the older E series, but the Studio L series is a bit better yet. My system is all ES (ES100s for my fronts), but with an LC2 Center channel speaker.
The ES30 is still available through amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES30BK-3-W...words=jbl+es30


I too would recommend the LC1, or LC2 as a better center channel option than the ES25C (which I used to have). They're a good timbre match, and the LC2 has better output for larger rooms, or higher volume playback.
Good luck!

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I can't order from amazon,I'm from Romania.
the problem is simple,I can't go with lc2 as there is no where to get it...so,lc1 instead of es25 and l830 instead of e30 that I have now.someone from jbl service told me that studio l is way better than es series,so I'll have to go with l series. a pair of es30 is 400$,so I have no chance to buy them,and there is no second hand,also. with 400$ I can go with l830+lc1 which is a great deal and since the l studio is better than e and es,I hope I'll sell my e30 an es25 fast!!!
lc2 is even better,but really hard to find studio l in Europe!
also thinking of changing 2 e10 with either es10 or es20
My config right now is : es250 sub + e10 surround back + es20 surround + e30 fronts + es25 center
My goal is: es250 sub + es10 or es20 surround back + es20 surround +l830 fronts + lc1 center
If I'm going to loose the studio l speakers,then I'll upgrade only the surround with either es10 or es20,instead of e10 that I have right now
thank you

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The reason I was considering the studio is because of the price there is a pair on sale for $450 vs $450 each for the L-series. But if that won't be Much of an upgrade then I will just stick with the e60 for now
Not having heard the Studio 200 series, only looking at their specs, finish, I would think they would be at least comparable to the Studio L series, which I have owned. And the Studio L is certainly an upgrade from the E series.
The 200 series HDI WG is based on the M2 Reference Monitor! That should tell you something. Besides the WG, the main difference between the Studio L and Studio 200 is going from Ti tweeter ~ CCMD tweeter. The MR, Bass drivers are the same.

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Thanks for the info and yea it's for the pair it is an open box with some miner scuffs on the cabinet.
Just be sure that it doesn't have any damaged drivers or internal damage,
and that you can return them if damage is discovered after purchase.

EDIT: I think I found the ones you are eyeing.
Again it can be risky buying without knowing that they may have internal damage, blown tweeters, etc...
Seller says you can return them, but you will have to pay for return shipping AND the price of original shipping
will also be deducted from the refund price, and that may end up being a lot of money. (unless maybe they are local to you for local pickup)

Another thing to consider...
You can monitor Ebay to hopefully find a good deal on some other used speakers that aren't so risky to buy.
Especially if you want matching L-series to go with your other speakers.
It takes time and patience to find that kind of deal sometimes, but usually worth if you have the time but not the money to buy new.
Yea I didn't think about shipping back that will set me back quite a bit. But at almost half the price that might be worth taking the risk
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The reason I was considering the studio is because of the price there is a pair on sale for $450 vs $450 each for the L-series. But if that won't be Much of an upgrade then I will just stick with the e60 for now
Not having heard the Studio 200 series, only looking at their specs, finish, I would think they would be at least comparable to the Studio L series, which I have owned. And the Studio L is certainly an upgrade from the E series.
The 200 series HDI WG is based on the M2 Reference Monitor! That should tell you something. Besides the WG, the main difference between the Studio L and Studio 200 is going from Ti tweeter ~ CCMD tweeter. The MR, Bass drivers are the same.
Thanks for the info that's what I wanted to know seems it would be a good upgrade
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