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post #15781 of 17565 Old 02-06-2015, 12:37 PM
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Thanks for the info that's what I wanted to know seems it would be a good upgrade

and also the frequency range ... 40kHz for stuido l and 20kHz for studio 2!
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and also the frequency range ... 40kHz for stuido l and 20kHz for studio 2!
And how many of us hear to even 20K? We'd have to go back to when we were one month old.
When Greg Timbers still had his Array prototypes, he had the UHF compression driver disconnected, which went to 40K. I think his dog did not much like it. lol

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And how many of us hear to even 20K? We'd have to go back to when we were one month old.
When Greg Timbers still had his Array prototypes, he had the UHF compression driver disconnected, which went to 40K. I think his dog did not much like it. lol
could be something he wants!I always check specs first
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I can't order from amazon,I'm from Romania.
the problem is simple,I can't go with lc2 as there is no where to get it...so,lc1 instead of es25 and l830 instead of e30 that I have now.someone from jbl service told me that studio l is way better than es series,so I'll have to go with l series. a pair of es30 is 400$,so I have no chance to buy them,and there is no second hand,also. with 400$ I can go with l830+lc1 which is a great deal and since the l studio is better than e and es,I hope I'll sell my e30 an es25 fast!!!
lc2 is even better,but really hard to find studio l in Europe!
also thinking of changing 2 e10 with either es10 or es20
My config right now is : es250 sub + e10 surround back + es20 surround + e30 fronts + es25 center
My goal is: es250 sub + es10 or es20 surround back + es20 surround +l830 fronts + lc1 center
If I'm going to loose the studio l speakers,then I'll upgrade only the surround with either es10 or es20,instead of e10 that I have right now
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If it were me I wouldn't worry too much about the E10s being upgraded.
They are very capable as surround speakers for movies.
It's a pretty good rule of thumb to try and put as much quality/money into your front speakers as you can.
Assuming you go with L830 + LC1 in the front, you may actually want to consider upgrading the subwoofer over surrounds.
If you aren't in an apartment and have the freedom for great LFE, the ES250 is probably pretty weak unless your room is really small,
and even then it probably doesn't go as low as it should for movies with the deepest LFE frequencies.

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Well,I am in an appartament!
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^Yuck. :/ If I were in an apartment I wouldn't even bother with a sub. I'd just use an amp + bass shakers in my couch or chair.
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could be something he wants!I always check specs first
Get a clue. Greg DESIGNED the Arrays...they had two HF drivers, like the Studio L series. Except they were horn loaded compression drivers.

The HF went to around 20K and the UHF to 40K+. Obviously he realized the UHF was not needed. Back then, DVD-A/SACD were in full swing with their 40K output...meaning all JBLs designed at the time that could produce to 40K were nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

Greg made the statement that the UHF driver helped out the HF driver on its top end...but I say again, none of us can hear that high anyway.

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My top limit is about 16K and I am 57. I dont think many things go higher in music or movies.

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The S-Center is a better match than the LC2.
Wow! I got my S-Center II hooked up and I'm surprised how much of an improvement it made. It's really does sound so much better than the Venue Voice. Not to mention, way cooler without the grill too. Now I feel like watching all my movie again.
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My top limit is about 16K and I am 57. I dont think many things go higher in music or movies.
High C on a piano is 4186 htz, so everything above is harmonics anyway.

After 40 years as a carpenter, 3 years in SF with a demolitions MOS, & firing every weapon known to NATO, at the time, and playing loud music since 13 years old, I lose it around 13~14K. Although from 60~8K htz, my hearing is almost ruler flat.

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Has anyone moved from Emotiva or Axiom bi-poles for surrounds to the JBL 8330/8340? If so, what differences did you notice and did you feel the move was lateral or a move up? The main part of my room is pretty small (around 12' wide x 13' long) and my couch is near the back wall where the surrounds will hang. Thanks for any information you can provide.
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Hey guys. I am currently looking for a set of bookshelfs for music only in a medium sized room. I have always been happy with JBL speakers so this has been my main focus.

I've been looking at the Studio 530's and Studio 230's. The 530's are a little more than I want to spend, but if they are significantly better then the 230's I don't have a problem spending the extra cash.

There's also a guy locally selling a set of old Studio S312's. He wants $275 for the pair. I'm not sure how these would compare to some of the newer offerings but they seem to be pretty pricey back in their day.

I don't have a way to audition the 530's or 230's, so I'm hoping the good people of AVS can help me out a bit here. In general, I favor a neutral/natural sound with some warmth. I don't care for bloated bass or overly clinical treble. Good timbre of instruments is very important to me as well. Any help would be appreciated!
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I don't have a way to audition the 530's or 230's, so I'm hoping the good people of AVS can help me out a bit here. In general, I favor a neutral/natural sound with some warmth. I don't care for bloated bass or overly clinical treble. Good timbre of instruments is very important to me as well. Any help would be appreciated!
I you buy from www.JBL.com, I think there is a 30 day return period.
So you could try one or the other, or both at the same time.
Then if not liking, return them.

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I don't have a way to audition the 530's or 230's, so I'm hoping the good people of AVS can help me out a bit here. In general, I favor a neutral/natural sound with some warmth. I don't care for bloated bass or overly clinical treble. Good timbre of instruments is very important to me as well. Any help would be appreciated!
I would never consider a 5" system over a 6" system. Even though the 530 has superior hardware and design, it just won't have the poop.

Best bang for the buck in this size and price range will come from something a bit older. Like the E50 or S38. Obviously the S312 is not a bookshelf but that's a fair price if they are pristine.
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Do you guys think the older speakers like the s312 can hold their own against some of the newer offerings from JBL?
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Do you guys think the older speakers like the s312 can hold their own against some of the newer offerings from JBL?
That's kind of an individual thing. Preference.
I have a mixed system, 5 PT800 and 2 custom L212 (1977), much older than the S312. But the 212s are so highly upgraded, they are nothing like the originals. And are superior to the PT800s for stereo playback.
But the reason that system works well together is the PT800 is really a modern version of the L212; box sizes, 3-way, driver sizes, XO points are very close to being the same.

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I've been looking at the Studio 530's and Studio 230's. The 530's are a little more than I want to spend, but if they are significantly better then the 230's I don't have a problem spending the extra cash.
I have auditioned the 570 towers (dual 5.25" woofers).
Two 5.25" woofers = one 8" driver, so a 530 is not going to have the punch of the 570. Both the 530 & 570 are -6db @ 45 htz.
But they were a very good speaker, very nice soundstage.
We were listening to them full range, no sub.
Most certainly, they were missing the last 1 1/2 octaves, bottomed out around 60 htz. But add a sub and you've got a very nice system.

I've never auditioned the 200 series.

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Do you guys think the older speakers like the s312 can hold their own against some of the newer offerings from JBL?
Can they hold their own? yes, are they better than or equal to? no. I own similar speakers which would be the S310II's. They are pretty great in their own right. They certainly don't sound bad in comparison to the newer JBL offerings. FWIW I also own the ES90's, Studio 190's, L890's, Studio 590's and a pair of S412PII's. Now that doesn't make me an expert by any means but at very least I'm speaking from experience...or insanity
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Can they hold their own? yes, are they better than or equal to? no. I own similar speakers which would be the S310II's. They are pretty great in their own right. They certainly don't sound bad in comparison to the newer JBL offerings. FWIW I also own the ES90's, Studio 190's, L890's, Studio 590's and a pair of S412PII's. Now that doesn't make me an expert by any means but at very least I'm speaking from experience...or insanity
Of that lot, I prefer the L890, 590. Having owned the L890 and auditioned the 570 in Japan last year. The only difference between the 570~590 should be the low end.

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When I first got back into music I bought a used pair of E90's. They were pretty good. Then I educated myself a little and bought a pair of L7's then L5's which are older but a little higher end than the E90's. Big improvement even though they were quite older. Then I ran across the XPL series which were even older and a little higher end. Another big improvement. I have not heard anything newer than the E90's. I guess it depends on which tier of speakers you get. I find that the only way I could afford the higher end speakers was to get the older ones. SO maybe If I live long enough I will get some used M2's in 20 years or so.

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I'm thinking of getting a pair of Studio 530 speakers for my new Marantz SR6008 AVR.

1. Would this AVR drive these speakers ok?

2. Is the cherry version of the 530 available anywhere in the US for a normal price?

3. Is the black version on sale/able to be found anywhere for under $550 right now?

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I'm thinking of getting a pair of Studio 530 speakers for my new Marantz SR6008 AVR.

1. Would this AVR drive these speakers ok?

2. Is the cherry version of the 530 available anywhere in the US for a normal price?

3. Is the black version on sale/able to be found anywhere for under $550 right now?

Thanks!
The 530 should not be a problem to drive, even though rated @ 86db.
Being its a horn loaded compression driver and 5 1/4" woofer.
Being the 530 is -6db @ 45 htz the SR6008 will not be doing the heavy lifting, the sub will.
In recent years, various models, the black versions are always cheaper.
A normal price would be msrp...anything less is a sale price.
JBL.com and amazon are both showing the 530 @ $599/pr.

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The 530 should not be a problem to drive, even though rated @ 86db.
Being its a horn loaded compression driver and 5 1/4" woofer.
Being the 530 is -6db @ 45 htz the SR6008 will not be doing the heavy lifting, the sub will.
In recent years, various models, the black versions are always cheaper.
A normal price would be msrp...anything less is a sale price.
JBL.com and amazon are both showing the 530 @ $599/pr.
Guess I'll have to settle for black. They accept banana plugs, correct?
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Guess I'll have to settle for black. They accept banana plugs, correct?
Most certainly.

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Might go to my nearest Best Buy and see if they'd haggle on price...not sure how that works at a big chain store like that. But knowing they were sold for under $500 and maybe less in the last year makes me feel uncomfortable spending the full $600 on them.
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Might go to my nearest Best Buy and see if they'd haggle on price...not sure how that works at a big chain store like that. But knowing they were sold for under $500 and maybe less in the last year makes me feel uncomfortable spending the full $600 on them.
BB, online, is showing the same price as amazon, JBL.
I do not see the 500 series at discount.

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BB, online, is showing the same price as amazon, JBL.
I do not see the 500 series at discount.
Right, but if they've been sold for under $400 they obviously have a bit of room to work with price and still make a profit. If I could get them to sell me a pair for $500 plus tax I'd bite.
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My determination paid off! Went into Best Buy, asked if they could go lower than 599.99. Guy looked it up in his computer and said Nebraska Furniture Mart (??) had them for 499.99 and he could match that. I then googled for a coupon code, found one, and that brought the price at Nebraska Furniture Mart down to $462. He then matched that price, too, and now they're on they're way to me!
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My determination paid off! Went into Best Buy, asked if they could go lower than 599.99. Guy looked it up in his computer and said Nebraska Furniture Mart (??) had them for 499.99 and he could match that. I then googled for a coupon code, found one, and that brought the price at Nebraska Furniture Mart down to $462. He then matched that price, too, and now they're on they're way to me!
A few years back, NFM was one of the few retail outlets that sold the Performance Series. They have carried a number of JBLs over the years.
NFM must be a really big place.
Many B&M stores that sold JBLs have gone the way of the Dinosaurs.

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With my 530s on the way, I figure it's time to get down to asking how I should properly setup my system to ensure I'm getting the best sound possible.

I now have the Marantz receiver (which I'm still trying to get my head around, regarding Audessey and various settings like "Pure," "Direct" "Music" etc.) and I'm trying to understand when to use certain presets,etc.

First question is, do I need a subwoofer? I have a Velodyne Max EQ-8, and I guess it's fine, I just always feel I'm fiddling with the settings (phase, volume, crossover) never really knowing if it's set correctly or not. Some songs will sound good with it, and then another song, album, artist will play and it'll be too boomy, too loud, etc. How do I set it up to be universally "correct?"

Following that, if I am indeed going to use the subwoofer, do I use it's auto-EQ room correction before I run Audessey via my receiver? Is there a crossover to set it to knowing I'm pairing it with the 530s?
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With my 530s on the way, I figure it's time to get down to asking how I should properly setup my system to ensure I'm getting the best sound possible.

I now have the Marantz receiver (which I'm still trying to get my head around, regarding Audessey and various settings like "Pure," "Direct" "Music" etc.) and I'm trying to understand when to use certain presets,etc.

First question is, do I need a subwoofer? I have a Velodyne Max EQ-8, and I guess it's fine, I just always feel I'm fiddling with the settings (phase, volume, crossover) never really knowing if it's set correctly or not. Some songs will sound good with it, and then another song, album, artist will play and it'll be too boomy, too loud, etc. How do I set it up to be universally "correct?"

Following that, if I am indeed going to use the subwoofer, do I use it's auto-EQ room correction before I run Audessey via my receiver? Is there a crossover to set it to knowing I'm pairing it with the 530s?
For good bass you will need your sub. The 530 [email protected] 45htz is no low bass at all.
If the sub is up front of the room, then the phase is 0.
If the sub is along a side wall or in back then 180. Or somewhere in between, if its a rotary switch.
Set the Marantz to 80 htz XO, for starters. That will most likely be best. Although you can play around with 60 htz, not not lower.
As for Audessey, you may or may not like it for music. I have my autoEQ turned off.

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