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Has anybody compared Studio 230 vs Arena 130?
I've only heard a couple of the Studio 2 series. Since they seemed pretty energetic to me, I wondered what the soft dome tweeter on the Arena was like. I read a couple of reviews where they were described as duller or something. For some reason, I don't have a hard time believing that.
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This is soooooo tempting.
Just wondering how they will match up with my surrounds and atmos on-ceiling (all JBL E-10. Yeah I know they are old, but working perfectly), if I replace my fronts (currently JBL E-80).
I will also have to look for replacing the center (currently EC25) with 520C..
Seconded. Been wondering if these would improve upon my L890s, especially with them being powered by monoblock amps. Nice to hear somebody else has E10s still in the field working. I have two pair holding out for height usage when I move in September.

I think you'd love the 520C over the EC25 according to the consensus of everything I've read about the two. I used to have an EC35 that I upgraded to an LC2. I do think the quality went up with the LC2, but the EC35 was terrific. Always read that it was a far cry better than the EC25.

I don't want to let the LC2 go for a smaller center, though. Especially if my next room is going to be bigger. That's the main reason I haven't tried the 590s yet, worried about cross-matching there.

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I also ordered a paid of 590's but the 520 center is out of stock/not available everywhere. So a little worried. JBL.com says backordered until mid June but my concern is they discontinue it. What are others doing?
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Seconded. Been wondering if these would improve upon my L890s, especially with them being powered by monoblock amps....

I don't want to let the LC2 go for a smaller center, though. Especially if my next room is going to be bigger. That's the main reason I haven't tried the 590s yet, worried about cross-matching there.

If you really consider an upgrade for the L890s, go for the Revel F208s. I have both, and let me tell you L890s are very nice speakers in every sense. Revel F208 worth every $$. Same for the LC2, it is a very reliable piece for center channel.
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If you really consider an upgrade for the L890s, go for the Revel F208s. I have both, and let me tell you L890s are very nice speakers in every sense. Revel F208 worth every $$. Same for the LC2, it is a very reliable piece for center channel.
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Ha, funny you point out that Revel thing. I learned that when I was first starting to look for my P520WS surrounds. There's a practically identical Revel speaker that kept popping up on my search.

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When I made my upgrade for F208s I wasnt expecting a big change from the L890s, but now, after several months using the F208s, I can hear the difference. Cristal clear sound, and very nice soundstage.
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Seconded. Been wondering if these would improve upon my L890s, especially with them being powered by monoblock amps. Nice to hear somebody else has E10s still in the field working. I have two pair holding out for height usage when I move in September.

I think you'd love the 520C over the EC25 according to the consensus of everything I've read about the two. I used to have an EC35 that I upgraded to an LC2. I do think the quality went up with the LC2, but the EC35 was terrific. Always read that it was a far cry better than the EC25.

I don't want to let the LC2 go for a smaller center, though. Especially if my next room is going to be bigger. That's the main reason I haven't tried the 590s yet, worried about cross-matching there.
Pulled the trigger. It was very hard not to.
No to look for 520c
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Pulled the trigger. It was very hard not to.
No to look for 520c
I can't find it anywhere. I reached out to a few stores to see if they will get more in or if it was discontinued. If it can no longer be purchased I might have to send these back...
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I can't find it anywhere. I reached out to a few stores to see if they will get more in or if it was discontinued. If it can no longer be purchased I might have to send these back...
Yeah. now that is the concern.
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I've only heard a couple of the Studio 2 series. Since they seemed pretty energetic to me, I wondered what the soft dome tweeter on the Arena was like. I read a couple of reviews where they were described as duller or something. For some reason, I don't have a hard time believing that.
The price drop on JBL Arenas so i ordered a pair.
I will share my experiences with you soon.
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I thought I'd post some pictures of a few potentially useful modifications I've made to both the 570s and the 550p subwoofers.

SVS makes these dandy upgraded subwoofer isolation feet (SoundPath) that work to replace most any stock speaker feet. The 570 towers are a little too short in placing the compression driver at seated ear level. I modified these feet to give me another 2+ inches of lift. The down-side is that the 570s are pretty tippy due to the weight of the speaker drivers loading the front baffle, and the fact that the front feet are recessed too far back. I've also included a photo of my California earthquake (or small child) remedy--this is a hook screwed directly into the subfloor with a bungee attachment to the speaker feet. The SVS feet are definitely not the best solution for stability on carpeted floors (the spikes probably are), but for those of you with hardwood floors this will be a BIG improvement over the stock feet.

Without starting too much of a war over the merits (or lack thereof) of decoupling the speakers from the room, I can say that I’ve eliminated some pretty annoying resonances with these feet (fact). I have room treatments on the way that I hope will address a few other annoyances. Not fact, purely subjective: It may be the placebo effect but I think I’m enjoying tighter bass as a result of the isolation feet compared to the spikes. Wife and kids make a double-blind test impossible, so you can take that with a grain or two of salt :-)

Again, for some of you with hardwood floors, this may be an interesting option.
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Just waiting for the 2016 75" Vizio P to appear in Costco :-)
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I thought I'd post some pictures of a few potentially useful modifications I've made to both the 570s and the 550p subwoofers.

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Thank you very much for the 'hook in floor' idea, my 580s are even more precious to me now they have done some hours and sounding even better, so the thought of them being knocked forward is a concern. Had been planning to do something (that would involve touching the cabinet) and this should work.... sometimes it's the simplest things.

Also, re the 520c my concerns of it being sufficient enough have been somewhat alleviated now that they are being 'run in' nicely. I'm running an atmos 7.1.4 with the Marantz SR7010 (the 580 fronts from a seperate Crown XLS). The 520c is immediately under the screen but I do angle it upwards slightly, which I find creates a better 'spread' for the center dialogue. the timing and definition are great. I'm also using a pair of 530s for the FH (angled down) with a pair of in-ceiling KEFs for the 'TM'. So far happy days... lot's of experimenting
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Thank you very much for the 'hook in floor' idea, my 580s are even more precious to me now they have done some hours and sounding even better, so the thought of them being knocked forward is a concern. Had been planning to do something (that would involve touching the cabinet) and this should work.... sometimes it's the simplest things.

Also, re the 520c my concerns of it being sufficient enough have been somewhat alleviated now that they are being 'run in' nicely. I'm running an atmos 7.1.4 with the Marantz SR7010 (the 580 fronts from a seperate Crown XLS). The 520c is immediately under the screen but I do angle it upwards slightly, which I find creates a better 'spread' for the center dialogue. the timing and definition are great. I'm also using a pair of 530s for the FH (angled down) with a pair of in-ceiling KEFs for the 'TM'. So far happy days... lot's of experimenting
P.S. re availability of the 520 there may be a few suppliers in Europe. I live in the UK and had to import mine (last December) from a supplier on Amazon.de. I've also occasionly seen them on ebay from Japan - however obviously depends on whether the shipping and import costs can be justified!
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I thought I'd post some pictures of a few potentially useful modifications I've made to both the 570s and the 550p subwoofers.

SVS makes these dandy upgraded subwoofer isolation feet (SoundPath) that work to replace most any stock speaker feet. The 570 towers are a little too short in placing the compression driver at seated ear level. I modified these feet to give me another 2+ inches of lift. The down-side is that the 570s are pretty tippy due to the weight of the speaker drivers loading the front baffle, and the fact that the front feet are recessed too far back. I've also included a photo of my California earthquake (or small child) remedy--this is a hook screwed directly into the subfloor with a bungee attachment to the speaker feet. The SVS feet are definitely not the best solution for stability on carpeted floors (the spikes probably are), but for those of you with hardwood floors this will be a BIG improvement over the stock feet.

Without starting too much of a war over the merits (or lack thereof) of decoupling the speakers from the room, I can say that I’ve eliminated some pretty annoying resonances with these feet (fact). I have room treatments on the way that I hope will address a few other annoyances. Not fact, purely subjective: It may be the placebo effect but I think I’m enjoying tighter bass as a result of the isolation feet compared to the spikes. Wife and kids make a double-blind test impossible, so you can take that with a grain or two of salt :-)

Again, for some of you with hardwood floors, this may be an interesting option.
That nice room and system needs a projector and a retractable screen!
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That nice room and system needs a projector and a retractable screen!
I agree with you, however while stealing the show the JBLs look superb in the shot

I run a DLP pj on a 91" [fixed frame] screen. While not the biggest of screens, in terms of presence the visual and sonic impact (from the studio 5's) seem to be a good match.

The 590 deal on Amazon.com indeed seems too good to be true... grab 'em! Unfortunately type 580 is the largest I can go to [realistically] in my home cinema room (as mentioned, I live in the UK!). Seems like they're clearing stock? Given all the unfortunate changes at JBL it seems this is also the end for the Studio 5 series? Disappointingly they were never marketed/distributed correctly on this side of the pond.
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^^^
The current 590 deal is a steal for sure. For those of you who haven't experienced the Studio 5 goodness, I highly recommend jumping on THAT deal. Unfortunately the budget and WAF don't allow an upgrade for me :-) I'm pretty happy with my 570s though, and with two subs to complement the bottom end there may be less benefit to the 590s for me given that both models share the same great compression driver.

With two very large windows my room is too bright for a projector, but perfect for a 75" display. The 2016 Vizio P will give me 4K, HDR, and a very bright display. I may just have to contend with some glare during daytime viewing.

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The current 590 deal is a steal for sure. For those of you who haven't experienced the Studio 5 goodness, I highly recommend jumping on THAT deal. Unfortunately the budget and WAF don't allow an upgrade for me :-) I'm pretty happy with my 570s though, and with two subs to complement the bottom end there may be less benefit to the 590s for me given that both models share the same great compression driver.

With two very large windows my room is too bright for a projector, but perfect for a 75" display. The 2016 Vizio P will give me 4K, HDR, and a very bright display. I may just have to contend with some glare during daytime viewing.
What is a WAF?

Sounds like a Kripke way of saying wife xD (from Big Bang theory).

The 570's are smaller and will be highly sought after once this sale ends. Why not sign up for the Amazon card and buy them with 12 months free interest and then when the sale ends or they run out put the 570's on Craigslist and wait for a bite. For a fast sale you could easily get $800 for both which would be $400 less than the cost of new since. Making the upgrade $50 a speaker. Or you can try and sell them for $900 and break even. Both are very possible to get since the buyer would also be saving in tax, and so would you with the 590's.
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What is the reasoning behind the Master ARCOS calibrator role being limited to acoustic / design companies? For higher end rooms, are the physical acoustic treatments (and their placement) inextricably tied to calibration?
Actually, it shouldn't be. Most of the time ARCOS calibrations are handled by techs flying directly out from Harman. There are a few - very few - calibrators outside of Harman that are entrusted with the job. Brad and I would like to be able to become Synthesis / ARCOS calibrators, but from our understanding Harman is EXTREMELY picky about who can or cannot do the calibrations. We are definitely going to pursue it, though.

Now, if you are getting a referral from Harman for an acoustic design company in your area, you can be pretty sure Harman has heavily vetted the organization and they have extensive experience running ARCOS. You can certainly discuss this with your dealer or the regional rep.

If you read Dr. Toole's book - or even his article here on Audioholics (https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...-multi-sub-sfm) - he doesn't recommend a whole lot of acoustic treatment overall, especially if you are using a multi-sub setup combined with ARCOS calibration. Toole followed that up with another article here - https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...man-adaptation - that covers his thoughts on treating first reflection points and other small room acoustical issues. He touches pretty heavily on ARCOS in these articles.

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What is a WAF?

Sounds like a Kripke way of saying wife xD (from Big Bang theory).

The 570's are smaller and will be highly sought after once this sale ends. Why not sign up for the Amazon card and buy them with 12 months free interest and then when the sale ends or they run out put the 570's on Craigslist and wait for a bite. For a fast sale you could easily get $800 for both which would be $400 less than the cost of new since. Making the upgrade $50 a speaker. Or you can try and sell them for $900 and break even. Both are very possible to get since the buyer would also be saving in tax, and so would you with the 590's.
WAF = Wife Approval Factor :-)

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I love, love JBL products. I even have an MS-8 in my truck.
The 590's look awesome, but let me put in a recco for the 4722, Cinema speaker. It really takes the home theater experience to a new level. They can be had new for less than $1200 each. I found mine used for $415 ea (local cinema upgrading). I have a baffle wall and AT screen (construction pic below) and I run the LCR active with Crown amps. For surrounds I use JBL AC 28/26s. Incredible! I have JBL 2x18s (2242) flanking left and right plus more in the room (2245).

My family room includes 3x JBL 18/95s and a horn sub (pico wrecker).
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Has anyone heard the studio 180's? Harmon's website has them on sale refurb for $80 each. At that price I had to try them out, and this review: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...HCW5pTdm4Cc.97 really sold them for me. Pairing with a 100 wpc 2.0 Sherwood receiver. These things should arrive this week.
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If you read Dr. Toole's book - or even his article here on Audioholics (https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...-multi-sub-sfm) - he doesn't recommend a whole lot of acoustic treatment overall, especially if you are using a multi-sub setup combined with ARCOS calibration. Toole followed that up with another article here - https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...man-adaptation - that covers his thoughts on treating first reflection points and other small room acoustical issues. He touches pretty heavily on ARCOS in these articles.
It's always bothered me somewhat that Toole's testing seems to be based around his living room. If I remember correctly, he said he moved into a house had an L shaped room and that was the genesis for SFM - how to electronically optimize multiple subs in an irregular shaped room (with FLO building on that concept to help determine the best place to put each subs in the first place).

But when it comes to a dedicated theater room (or studio), some things change. It's not possible to do any type of sound proofing in a living room. But in most studios and higher end dedicated home theaters, work goes into lowering the noise floor of the room. That involves different construction techniques that may not result in a very pleasant sounding room. Acoustic treatments are used to restore the room to living room quality or better. The end result hopefully being an acoustically comfortable room, but with much lower noise floor (and the benefits that come with that).

Here is a blurb on Master level certification requirements:

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For completion of the Master level course, a participant must currently operate or be an employee of an acoustical consulting or theater design firm, purchase an ARCOS calibration kit and pay an annual usage license. In addition, a Master level company cannot be an installer or integrator of home theater products. Upon completing the Master-level course, attendees will receive a Certificate of Completion, an official listing on all HPAV websites (JBL Synthesis, Lexicon, Mark Levinson and Revel), and access to software updates and technical support.

The first Harman ARCOS Calibrator Training – Master-Level Course was held on March 15 and 16, 2011 at the Harman Northridge, CA facility. The following consultants attended: Keith Yates (KYDG), Anthony Grimani (PMI), Adam Pelz and Jim Harber (Quest Acoustical Interiors).
Here is the updated list: http://www.jblsynthesis.com/syn-mast...librators.html

I am wondering the reasoning behind limiting Master level certification to non-dealer, acoustic designers. And what that means as far as the relationship between the acoustic design of the room & top level Arcos calibration - 2 sides of the same coin, best done by the same person?

 

 

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Thinking about taking the plunge on the JBL 590s. I currently have Energy RC-50s and an LCR (will order the 520 later). Anyone have any experience comparing the Studio 5 series with Energy RCs? Is the Studio 5 series a definite step up to most people that have heard both?

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It's always bothered me somewhat that Toole's testing seems to be based around his living room. If I remember correctly, he said he moved into a house had an L shaped room and that was the genesis for SFM - how to electronically optimize multiple subs in an irregular shaped room (with FLO building on that concept to help determine the best place to put each subs in the first place).

But when it comes to a dedicated theater room (or studio), some things change. It's not possible to do any type of sound proofing in a living room. But in most studios and higher end dedicated home theaters, work goes into lowering the noise floor of the room. That involves different construction techniques that may not result in a very pleasant sounding room. Acoustic treatments are used to restore the room to living room quality or better. The end result hopefully being an acoustically comfortable room, but with much lower noise floor (and the benefits that come with that).

Here is a blurb on Master level certification requirements:

Here is the updated list: http://www.jblsynthesis.com/syn-mast...librators.html

I am wondering the reasoning behind limiting Master level certification to non-dealer, acoustic designers. And what that means as far as the relationship between the acoustic design of the room & top level Arcos calibration - 2 sides of the same coin, best done by the same person?
Interesting. I hate to say it, but most of this is news to me. The date is interesting - 2011 - as what I've been told recently is that certifications are not being handed out without a STRONG recommendation from the regional reps as to dealers making the request. The calibrators I know either work directly with JBL or have been close partners in the past. I know Anthony Grimani personally and Brad is currently working wit Keith Yates on another system. Of course, Anthony has recently gone his own way with his own speaker design.

FWIW, Dr. Olive shares similar views to Dr. Toole when he spoke about acoustic treatments at Harman Academy, based on the research done in house. I can sure see why it seems like it's at least partly about Dr. Toole's own listening space, though, based upon the articles

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I actually have a customer who is doing exactly that - pairing the SAM3HA with a pair of S3900s and is quite happy
So yes, I have the SAM3HA with the 3900's.

It's not the speaker that the 3900's are. The 3900's pull of the trick of being dynamic as all heck like a good horn speaker, but are flat out not bright, in fact they are almost laid-back yet dynamic. Allows for very loud listening levels...

The SAM3HA is a good center channel, the 3900's are great speakers. I think anyone with the 3900's would be happy with the SAM3HA as the center channel.

The best center channel I've owned was a SALK Soundscape 7 center. Had that with my Soundscape 8's. (killer speakers). It was the closest I've had to a seamless voicing match from a horizontal center with smaller drivers than the mains as far as a match. But it wasn't even perfect.

But, the SAM3HA does a fine job. I'd like to hear the Array series center in comparison. But, the black color is neutral on the SAM center, and it does do a nice job.

In fairness (here goes the amp debate). I do have a better and newer amp driving my mains also (Butler TDB 2250) vs a much older Harman Kardon Signature 2.1 driving the SAM3HA.

Zero issues with the SAM center channel.
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I have a question on JBL 8320 flush mounting.
After google there are plenty pictures of 8320 flush mounted, but no idea how they did it. The bracket 2516 does not look to be the solution for flush mount.
Could some one please point me to a link or let me know how they are mounting them flush (so that the 20 degree angle is maintained).
Appreciate your help.
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Hey everyone, long time no post. I have a question for you all about timbre matching. Is timbre matching that essential for the surrounds in a 5.1 setup? I have an L820 and LC2 LCR setup. I want to add surrounds but due to the physical constraints of my family room, to get them to the left and right of the main listening position ill probably have to ceiling mount them and angle them down towards the listening position. My wife would kick me out of I mounted another pair of L820's in this manner. Are there any small and more discrete speaker options I can consider that wont be horrendously mismatched to my LCR? I have a Denon AVR-X4200 that has Audyssey Platinum suite that includes MultEQ XT32 that I hope will help tame the non optimal speaker location and help with frequency leveling.

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Hey everyone, long time no post. I have a question for you all about timbre matching. Is timbre matching that essential for the surrounds in a 5.1 setup? I have an L820 and LC2 LCR setup. I want to add surrounds but due to the physical constraints of my family room, to get them to the left and right of the main listening position ill probably have to ceiling mount them and angle them down towards the listening position. My wife would kick me out of I mounted another pair of L820's in this manner. Are there any small and more discrete speaker options I can consider that wont be horrendously mismatched to my LCR? I have a Denon AVR-X4200 that has Audyssey Platinum suite that includes MultEQ XT32 that I hope will help tame the non optimal speaker location and help with frequency leveling.
I have a Studio L890\LC2 front stage, but I use JBL dipoles from the Performance line on the sides. Before that, I was using Northridge E10s as surrounds and never heard a problem with matching from front to rear. I have Audyssey as well, and I don't know how much to credit it for blending them, but if you found any smaller JBLs to hang\mount, I am confident saying you'd be completely OK. When I'm able to mount heights, I have those former E10s sitting in drydock waiting to take their new positions. Before getting a second pair of E10s, I was considering getting some ES10s, ES20s, or Studio 210s.

A good number of people would tell you a different brand would be fine too when it comes to surround duty, but I wanted to stick with JBL all around.

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