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Is anyone here rocking an S-center? If so, what are your fronts and how do you like it?
I had a ScenterII for years. I thought it was great. At times I thought it even sounded as good as the LC2. I ended up giving the ScenterII away to a friend along with some S310II's, S38II's and even a S120PII. I still own a pair of S26II's and S412PII's

As for fronts I bounced between the S38II's and S310II's. Both blended very well with the ScenterII.
What center did you replace it with? I already bought myself a center (not a jbl) but I’m curious.
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STUDIO 8 SERIES

https://img.itw01.com/images/2018/03...eg!r1024x0.jpg

Looks like we may be getting a new Studio line. Not sure if they're replacing the Studio 2 or 5 series. Or if they're even coming to the USA lol
Not sure about availability in the US for Studio 8s, but check around the 6:00 mark in this report from CEDIA. The new JBL Stage Series is the replacement for both the Arena and Studio 2 Series.

The Studio8 and Stage Series look like brothers from the same mother. There are, of course, some distinctive characteristics in each, but they seem to share some DNA.

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I had a ScenterII for years. I thought it was great. At times I thought it even sounded as good as the LC2. I ended up giving the ScenterII away to a friend along with some S310II's, S38II's and even a S120PII. I still own a pair of S26II's and S412PII's

As for fronts I bounced between the S38II's and S310II's. Both blended very well with the ScenterII.
Nice history with the S series. What else are you running presently?

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Is anyone here rocking an S-center? If so, what are your fronts and how do you like it?
Brings back memories. My whole JBL journey started with the N-CenterII.

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War of the Worlds to workout the woofers.
Gravity to test surround sound panning.
Interstellar to test center speaker (if I can hear what he said )
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Not sure about availability in the US for Studio 8s, but check around the 6:00 mark in this report from CEDIA. The new JBL Stage Series is the replacement for both the Arena and Studio 2 Series.

The Studio8 and Stage Series look like brothers from the same mother. There are, of course, some distinctive characteristics in each, but they seem to share some DNA.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...ia-2018-a.html
I am very curious to hear the new Stage Series. It's odd to me that the floorstanding models lack a dedicated midrange driver. Especially if they're intended to replace the Studio 2 Series. I came across that photo of the Studio 8's while looking up the Stage series. Interestingly both Series were shown off at whatever presser that was. I just figure the Studio 5's are long over due for replacing.

I replaced the ScenterII with a JBL LC2

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JBL LS80's Fronts
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2.5 way speakers

Looking at the specs for the towers, they each contain three drivers and two crossover points. The seemingly identical cone woofers in each tower appear to be doing some work in unison, and one appears to be handling some of the midrange duty by itself.

For example, the dual 8" A190 has crossovers at 1.4kHz and 2.0kHz, so one of those drivers is rolling off at a lower frequency while the other doesn't roll off until up to where the HF tweeter begins to take over.

Without seeing a FR chart or a spinorama, it's difficult to know what the actual design parameters are, but it seems clear that the woofers are tasked differently.

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Looking at the specs for the towers, they each contain three drivers and two crossover points. The seemingly identical cone woofers in each tower appear to be doing some work in unison, and one appears to be handling some of the midrange duty by itself.

For example, the dual 8" A190 has crossovers at 1.4kHz and 2.0kHz, so one of those drivers is rolling off at a lower frequency while the other doesn't roll off until up to where the HF tweeter begins to take over.

Without seeing a FR chart or a spinorama, it's difficult to know what the actual design parameters are, but it seems clear that the woofers are tasked differently.
That's similar to the Studio 590's,they're 2.5 way also.

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JBL L7's, 3677, and 9300's

This is my all JBL theater (except the subs). JBL L7 mains, JBL Professional 3677 screen channel, and JBL Professional 9300 surrounds. A friend of mine who's an audio engineer worked at speaker placement and angle, phase alignment, crossover and filter settings, eq settings, room treatments, and a bunch of other things. It sounds amazing.
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This is my all JBL theater (except the subs). JBL L7 mains, JBL Professional 3677 screen channel, and JBL Professional 9300 surrounds. A friend of mine who's an audio engineer worked at speaker placement and angle, phase alignment, crossover and filter settings, eq settings, room treatments, and a bunch of other things. It sounds amazing
Why not 3677 for L/R also?
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This is my all JBL theater (except the subs). JBL L7 mains, JBL Professional 3677 screen channel, and JBL Professional 9300 surrounds. A friend of mine who's an audio engineer worked at speaker placement and angle, phase alignment, crossover and filter settings, eq settings, room treatments, and a bunch of other things. It sounds amazing.
I've had JBLs in one form or another since 1970, including the L100 pair I bought on lay-away while working my way through college. I still have everything from that first acquisition, right down to the sales slip. But more on topic...

My first full JBL surround system was L7s for front L&R, L3 for center, L7s for SR and SL, and L5s for RR and LR. The L3 for center was primarily because it had to be shorter than my screen placement. Because it's possible to actively bi-amp an L7 due to its excellent crossover design, the side L7's 12" woofers served as subs. Yes, it seems a little wacky now, but it was an awesome system that could crank forever.

I could invite over friends who were showing off their HTIB, or a Bose system, or their favorite mongrel mix of speakers, and I wouldn't have to say anything. The JBL L Series spoke for itself. When it spoke too loudly, my neighbors would speak to me, if you know what I mean.

Also, I had a whole rack full of Soundcraftsmen S800 amps that were indestructible under any load. When I didn't need them in the system, I'd take a couple to the garage so I could use them to arc weld the frame and brackets on my truck.

(That's a joke, folks. Don't get excited!)

Love the L7! It's a great speaker.
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This is my all JBL theater (except the subs). JBL L7 mains, JBL Professional 3677 screen channel, and JBL Professional 9300 surrounds. A friend of mine who's an audio engineer worked at speaker placement and angle, phase alignment, crossover and filter settings, eq settings, room treatments, and a bunch of other things. It sounds amazing.
Why the mismatched LCR?
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Looking at the specs for the towers, they each contain three drivers and two crossover points. The seemingly identical cone woofers in each tower appear to be doing some work in unison, and one appears to be handling some of the midrange duty by itself.

For example, the dual 8" A190 has crossovers at 1.4kHz and 2.0kHz, so one of those drivers is rolling off at a lower frequency while the other doesn't roll off until up to where the HF tweeter begins to take over.

Without seeing a FR chart or a spinorama, it's difficult to know what the actual design parameters are, but it seems clear that the woofers are tasked differently.
Thats a good piont. I've learned over the years not to sell JBL's mid level speakers short. People bash the ES Series all the time. Throw them some real power and they sound like different speakers. For whatever reason they shine with class D amps. I've never heard a series of speakers sound change that drastically based on power/type of amplification.
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Why the mismatched LCR?
#1 ) I have owned the L7's since they were new in 1992. To this day they are an incredible sounding speaker, I saw no reason to change them.
#2 ) "mis-matched" LCR isn't as big of a deal as some would have you believe. By the time we had the speakers placed correctly in the room and phase aligned we couldn't tell the difference on a side-to-side pan. I would have considered an L5 or even an L3 for a center speaker, but they are too tall to fit under my screen. The 3677 fits perfectly and sounds great.
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I've had JBLs in one form or another since 1970, including the L100 pair I bought on lay-away while working my way through college. I still have everything from that first acquisition, right down to the sales slip. But more on topic...

My first full JBL surround system was L7s for front L&R, L3 for center, L7s for SR and SL, and L5s for RR and LR. The L3 for center was primarily because it had to be shorter than my screen placement. Because it's possible to actively bi-amp an L7 due to its excellent crossover design, the side L7's 12" woofers served as subs. Yes, it seems a little wacky now, but it was an awesome system that could crank forever.

I could invite over friends who were showing off their HTIB, or a Bose system, or their favorite mongrel mix of speakers, and I wouldn't have to say anything. The JBL L Series spoke for itself. When it spoke too loudly, my neighbors would speak to me, if you know what I mean.

Also, I had a whole rack full of Soundcraftsmen S800 amps that were indestructible under any load. When I didn't need them in the system, I'd take a couple to the garage so I could use them to arc weld the frame and brackets on my truck.

(That's a joke, folks. Don't get excited!)

Love the L7! It's a great speaker.
The L7's have always been incredible sounding. I have all QSC amplifiers (except the subs) and I get the joke
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Hello,

I am looking for advice on replacing my center channel speaker to match my JBL E100 main speakers. I understand that the exact match would be the EC35 (or EC25 but I am not interested in this), but this speaker is hard to come by. Is anyone aware of a speaker that would timbre match well with the E100s. The main problem i have with my current N center is with music. I listen to a lot of multi channel music and this center simply cannot keep up with my mains at louder volumes. I listen to about 50/50 music/movies. Me equipment list is below. Thanks.



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Hello,

I am looking for advice on replacing my center channel speaker to match my JBL E100 main speakers. I understand that the exact match would be the EC35 (or EC25 but I am not interested in this), but this speaker is hard to come by. Is anyone aware of a speaker that would timbre match well with the E100s. The main problem i have with my current N center is with music. I listen to a lot of multi channel music and this center simply cannot keep up with my mains at louder volumes. I listen to about 50/50 music/movies. Me equipment list is below. Thanks.



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Maybe the LC2 or the Studio 235C?

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Hello,

I am looking for advice on replacing my center channel speaker to match my JBL E100 main speakers. I understand that the exact match would be the EC35 (or EC25 but I am not interested in this), but this speaker is hard to come by. Is anyone aware of a speaker that would timbre match well with the E100s. The main problem i have with my current N center is with music. I listen to a lot of multi channel music and this center simply cannot keep up with my mains at louder volumes. I listen to about 50/50 music/movies. Me equipment list is below. Thanks.



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The EC35 is obtainable on eBay, I think that's your best match.
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Hello,

I am looking for advice on replacing my center channel speaker to match my JBL E100 main speakers. I understand that the exact match would be the EC35 (or EC25 but I am not interested in this), but this speaker is hard to come by. Is anyone aware of a speaker that would timbre match well with the E100s. The main problem i have with my current N center is with music. I listen to a lot of multi channel music and this center simply cannot keep up with my mains at louder volumes. I listen to about 50/50 music/movies. Me equipment list is below. Thanks.



Receiver: Onkyo TX-NR809
Front: JBL E100
Center JBL N Center II
Front Wides: JBL L820
Surround: JbL N26II
Sub: Sony SAWM40

I am using a Studio 235c, and am very happy with it. If you could find some place to listen to the choices near you, that would be the best way to find what you like. Also, some places will allow you to return a unit you do not like, which is another way to test speakers.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. I agree the ec35 would be my best bet. I am hesitant to spend alot of money on ebay to get something of unknown condition, but i will keep my eye out maybe a deal will pop up. I will also see if its possible to audition the other JBL suggestions in my home and see how they sound with my mains. Thanks for all the advice!
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I agree the ec35 would be my best bet. I am hesitant to spend alot of money on ebay to get something of unknown condition, but i will keep my eye out maybe a deal will pop up. I will also see if its possible to audition the other JBL suggestions in my home and see how they sound with my mains. Thanks for all the advice!
Hey, I sold my former EC35 on eBay and it was in marvelous condition. So keep hope alive.

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I am looking for advice on replacing my center channel speaker to match my JBL E100 main speakers. I understand that the exact match would be the EC35 (or EC25 but I am not interested in this), but this speaker is hard to come by. Is anyone aware of a speaker that would timbre match well with the E100s. The main problem i have with my current N center is with music. I listen to a lot of multi channel music and this center simply cannot keep up with my mains at louder volumes. I listen to about 50/50 music/movies. Me equipment list is below. Thanks.



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Front: JBL E100
Center JBL N Center II
Front Wides: JBL L820
Surround: JbL N26II
Sub: Sony SAWM40
I'm speaking from personal experience here. I have had all these speakers.

The EC35 would be the perfect match for your mains, BUT you might consider the LC2. Seeing your existing setup, you have already incorporated the JBL Studio L series (L820) into your system.

The LC2 will be a super close tonal match to your mains, with the exception to the additional super high tweeter. The LC2 is also a sealed enclosure (vs ported on the EC35) with gives it a tighter, more accurate, larger presence than the EC35

Another option would be the JBL Studio S-Center. It will fall between the EC35 and the LC2.

Like I said, I have had an EC35, S-Center and LC2 centers.

I am currently running the Studio L series all the way around. 2 - LC2s for the center. L820s for the LF, RF, LS, RS, RR, & LR. With additional pair of S38IIs on the LF and RF.

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A little help please...reading frequency response from a JBL speaker

Hello Gents - I am not familiar with how to summarize (embarrassed) the frequency response from a JBL speaker?

Can someone please chime in...

Does it show impactfulness? (it is a center channel so I don't expect a full range response)

Is it considered a smooth response? I believe the ripples are from the CD and horn body response...

Loud enough to fill the room (room is 32' x 14' x 8')...is it reference level?

Do you read the results as: good - average - great - speaker?

Please advise...thank you in advance - Tom




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Hi guys I decide to upgrade my ht.I upgrade reciever from marantz sr 6001 to yamaha rx a3070..I already have 2 jbl es 100 fronts and cvsat50 for surrounds.yes pretty old folks..my set up plan is 5.1.4 atmos..I will upgrade in time but my center is broken or sounds like broken so it has to be the first to go...Mostly I m a movie guy like %80 movie and %20 music...My plan is to keep fronts,change center and than surrounds..what is your advice for the center?which center should I get? I like jbl but is it time to try other brand? And if I go that road what will be your advice ?
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Hi guys I decide to upgrade my ht.I upgrade reciever from marantz sr 6001 to yamaha rx a3070..I already have 2 jbl es 100 fronts and cvsat50 for surrounds.yes pretty old folks..my set up plan is 5.1.4 atmos..I will upgrade in time but my center is broken or sounds like broken so it has to be the first to go...Mostly I m a movie guy like %80 movie and %20 music...My plan is to keep fronts,change center and than surrounds..what is your advice for the center?which center should I get? I like jbl but is it time to try other brand? And if I go that road what will be your advice ?
If you're keeping your JBL fronts, then look for a complementing JBL Center, like the EC35. The ES100s are well worth keeping, and the EC35 will mesh with them quite well. The EC35 should also add some clarity and impact to center channel sound. It's good at reproducing the human voice, better than its sibling the EC25 or the ES Series ES25C, neither of which have a dedicated midrange driver like the EC35's 3" PolyPlas shielded midrange (and like your ES100's 4" PolyPlas shielded midrange driver).

ES100 left and right + EC35 center = winner!

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Used EC35 speakers in good to excellent condition are readily available online for very reasonable prices.

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Hey guys, new to this subforum. I've got a pair of 590's for my front L/R, and a single 580 as my Center channel. In surround duty are a pair of Dali Lektor 3 bookshelves, but I have a line on a pair of 530's that if I am able to get them will replace those Dali's for surrounds. I used to be a big B&W fan. I had a full B&W HT for about 10 years with the 600 series speakers from both the 1st and 3rd generation. Once I got the 590's, I could not believe the difference, and instantly became a huge JBL fanboy. Lol.
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Hey guys, new to this subforum. I've got a pair of 590's for my front L/R, and a single 580 as my Center channel. In surround duty are a pair of Dali Lektor 3 bookshelves, but I have a line on a pair of 530's that if I am able to get them will replace those Dali's for surrounds. I used to be a big B&W fan. I had a full B&W HT for about 10 years with the 600 series speakers from both the 1st and 3rd generation. Once I got the 590's, I could not believe the difference, and instantly became a huge JBL fanboy. Lol.

Are you running the 580 vertical or horizontal? Thinking about the same fronts but I have to run the 580 horizontal. Wondering if that is worth pursuing?

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Are you running the 580 vertical or horizontal? Thinking about the same fronts but I have to run the 580 horizontal. Wondering if that is worth pursuing?
I’ve got it standing up vertically under my tv. I attached a picture. Please forgive the messy house?
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I’ve got it standing up vertically under my tv. I attached a picture. Please forgive the messy house?
Ugh, so awesome. I want a tower speaker as a center for my set up so bad, haha.

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