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Hey Dawn, when you mention Paul, do you mean Scarpelli? I worked for the Triad rep in the Boston area and spent a lot of time with Paul on the road. Arguably one of the smartest people and really funny as well. Seems the two aren't mutually exclusive. I have had my Triad in room Bronze LCRs for many years and they still sound great. Retired last year and spending much time on my theater and doing lots of tweaking.
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Yep Mr. Scarpelli. He's a genuinely nice person. and all the other stuff too! If you PM or email me I can tell you where to find him these days.

What other equipment do you have in your theater?

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Thanks Mike & Dawn for the input. I will plan to track down a Rep for the Michigan area to finalize my plans to finish the room. As far as power goes, I plan to run either ATI or Parasound Amps with plenty of extra power for all channels.



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Excellent choice on amps Kevin - you will not be sorry with either. I was using an Emotiva XPA5 a few years ago and was about to replace it with one or two Parasound Halo amps when I was made aware of the ATI Signature. After reading a couple of reviews on the relatively new line of amplifiers I was hooked - I ordered an ATI AT6007 & I couldn't be happier. The Gold Monitors love the clean power this monster (140 lbs) puts out.

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Since the subject was brought up a posts back I thought it might be appropriate to share a quote from one of Paul Scarpelli's posts where he references a comparison test he had made at home between the Gold LCR's and the Gold Monitors - (in case anyone was wondering on the differences)

"I've talked about the Gold Monitors versus the Gold LCRs many times since the inception of this thread. I got to do an A/B in my theater a few years ago, and I came to a few conclusions. The Gold LCR is one of the great values in our line, and in a casual comparison with the Gold Monitor, most folks won't hear much of a difference, if any. They both play to about the same volume, and they are equally dynamic. The difference that I hear; and I consider it a big one; is in that last veil removed from the sound. The lifelike clarity of the Monitor is disarming, and although the two speakers sound similar, the Gold Monitor presents a crystal-clear window into the recording. The combination of those two 7" Scan-Speak mids and the Scan-Speak Revelator tweeter is magic, and at $3,800, this is the least expensive speaker I've seen that uses them.

In general, for 53% of the cost, the Gold LCR provides approximately 80% of the performance. With my collection of audiophile music, the Gold Monitor was the better choice for me. God, that tweeter."
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Yep Mr. Scarpelli. He's a genuinely nice person. and all the other stuff too! If you PM or email me I can tell you where to find him these days.

What other equipment do you have in your theater?
Hi Dawn,
LG 65 EF 9500 OLED TV
Yamaha RX A3050
Directv HR 54, 2 4K Genie Minis
Oppo 103D BluRay Player
Apple TV 4th gen
SONOS Connect in Theater, players all over the house
Harmony Ultimate Home remote and hub (to be replaced with Savant remote next month)
Triad Bronze inroom LCRs (To be replaced with Triad Bronze in room Atmos Speakers next week)
With more to come.
I love my theater!!

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Triad Bronze inroom LCRs (To be replaced with Triad Bronze in room Atmos Speakers next week)
Hmmmm ....... Interesting ...
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Hi Dawn,
LG 65 EF 9500 OLED TV
Yamaha RX A3050
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Oppo 103D BluRay Player
Apple TV 4th gen
SONOS Connect in Theater, players all over the house
Harmony Ultimate Home remote and hub (to be replaced with Savant remote next month)
Triad Bronze inroom LCRs (To be replaced with Triad Bronze in room Atmos Speakers next week)
With more to come.
I love my theater!!
Carter,

Nice!

I recently installed a 55" EF 9500 for a client and after a quick initial calibration it was amazing. Great choice.

One of these days -- probably more like years -- I'll replace my two Kuros with OLED. They are still working though so I would hate to just take them out of service. If/when JVC comes out with a true residential 4K projector I'll be first in line. :-)

BTW have you looked at Control4 or URC for your remote?

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Carter,

Nice!

I recently installed a 55" EF 9500 for a client and after a quick initial calibration it was amazing. Great choice.

One of these days -- probably more like years -- I'll replace my two Kuros with OLED. They are still working though so I would hate to just take them out of service. If/when JVC comes out with a true residential 4K projector I'll be first in line. :-)

BTW have you looked at Control4 or URC for your remote?
I used to sell URC, and don't need control 4, but for the moment my Harmony is sufficient. I added a couple of commands yesterday and now I can play the internal apps on my TV with Dolby surround coming back to the Yamaha via ARC. It works perfectly. I'm getting the Savant remote from one of my dealers hopefully in a couple of weeks. Then the Oppo 4K BluRay player by the end of the year and I'm done! The Savant remote apparently does voice search globally, and that intrigues me.
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Hi Kevin,

Your speaker selection is quite varied. The only problem is that it's too diverse. If at all possible, you need to have speakers that match one another. Depending on how many subs you have, you could actually go with Bronze Series all around.

Download my Speaker Matching Chart and you'll get a better idea of what matches what.

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I believe what Kevin is looking for is the differences in sound and output between the Triad Gold LCR and Triad Gold Monitor. I ran across a classified that he posted where he was interested in purchasing used Triad Gold LCR's - I had responded to him that I had come across (3) Gold Monitors for sale and recommended that he look into them. While I have my theatre room set up with Triad Gold Monitors and Gold Mini-monitors and am EXTREMELY pleased with them (for both movie and music) I could not give him a reason for purchasing one over the other - I recommended that Kevin post a question over here to this well informed group of Triad enthusiasts who I assured him could better answer his question - where is Paul Scarpelli when you need him?

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PS - Kevin - if there are no responses here I would recommend that you search this thread for comments made by Paul Scarpelli as he used to work for Triad and was able to help many a person with their speaker selection.
My recommendation was based on a couple of things. One, he already has a Gold Center, so best if all three speakers up front match, so that means Gold LCR's. Two, for HT use, I like the larger drivers and dedicated mid in the Gold LCR over the smaller drivers and 2-way design of the Gold monitor. Now if this was strictly a music setup, then I would consider the Gold Monitor, but even then, for HT use, I would want a matching center.
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Triad Speakers versus My Receiver

Hello. I finally have a 7.2 InRoom Triad Speaker set up which consists of 4- 'LCR Front Speakers' (older model of Silver but look similar to the current Gold), 3- 'System HT Silver' for surround and rear, 2- System 6 Satalites (no matching subwoofer), 1- 'Horizontal Center', and 1- Triad Subwoofer with a built in amplifier on the back and 1- 'Triad Subwoofer' without an amplifier.
They are connected to a Sony STR-DE898 receiver that has discrete 7 channels of amplification. My other choices are Sony STR-GX909ES or a Yamaha RX-V1400. I know they are a little old, but that's what I got. I also have a Sherwood AM-8500G Stereo Power Amplifier (not sold in the USA).
This speaker/receiver combination makes me uneasy due to the 4 ohm Triads and the underpowered receivers. However it does sound good. But what can I do to improve the sonic capabilities of the speakers? What are some recommendations for a amp that works well with Triad Silver speakers, InRoom.
Also what's the best method of connecting the subwoofers? I don't have the 'Convertor connectors' at this time. I'm using a male to Y-split two male jacks for the sub with the amp.
These Triad speakers are my jump from the old college years Infinity Entra 3 5.1 set up . I'm a newbie, slowly advancing.
FYI- the system will be pro dominantly be used for listening to music from cassette tapes, vinyl records, 8-tracks (yes 8-tracks), compact discs, and from a iPod. No streaming HD radio or anything similar. I'm old school. I do have a blu ray player and a newer 58" Plasma HDTV.
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Welcome to the Triad Thread!

Most modern AV receivers with sufficient power can handle 4 ohm loads without a problem. I personally like Anthem, Marantz, and Denon for AVRs. As far as amplifiers go, many people have had good success with Emotiva and ATI. I'm sure that others here will chime in with recommendations too.

As far as power specs go let's take a look at the Marantz SR6010. In 4 ohm mode it puts out close to 200 wpc, which is fine for your Silver LCRs.

Don't worry about using Y-Cords. If your AVR doesn't have dual sub outputs It's fine to use Y-Cords.


Note: This is for everyone. Please make sure to read the documentation that comes with your AVR. Marantz, for example, has a special mode that enables 6 and 4 ohm loads. I came across this by accident last year. Like many people who believe they don't need to read manuals, I thought I I knew Marantz well enough and didn't need to read the docs. I was wrong. A few years ago, apparently, Marantz changed their software to include this mode. Denon also has this setting in many of its AVRs as well. Live and learn!

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Those modes effectively REDUCE the output of the receiver as a protection against running too hot. For safety compliance, they are great. For giving your speakers all the juice that want, not so much.
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Question: have their been significant driver or crossover changes to the gold LCR, since the time when the horn tweeter was replace with the current configuration?

I have a stereo pair of the Gold lcr and am limping along with a Bronze lcr for the center speaker. Budget does not permit me to buy new, but i want to avoid getting the wrong vintage, used.
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Question: have their been significant driver or crossover changes to the gold LCR, since the time when the horn tweeter was replace with the current configuration?

I have a stereo pair of the Gold lcr and am limping along with a Bronze lcr for the center speaker. Budget does not permit me to buy new, but i want to avoid getting the wrong vintage, used.
The original InRoom Gold LCR (subsequently called Classic) with the MTM array, which used the waveguide lens on the tweeter, were excellent speakers, and I'd try my best, if I were you, to find a used mate for your stereo pair. I know where there is a matched set of three, plus an InRoom Platinum PowerSub, but you'd have to pry them from his cold, dead fingers, more than likely.

There have not been any models in between that version and the new ones, which sort of morphed into the current InRoom Gold LCR and InRoom Gold Monitor. I don't know how well the new version of the InRoom Gold LCR would work with the older version, though both are great speakers. I personally really like the new version of the InRoom Gold LCR, and use them as the LCRs in my theater.

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Question: have their been significant driver or crossover changes to the gold LCR, since the time when the horn tweeter was replace with the current configuration?

I have a stereo pair of the Gold lcr and am limping along with a Bronze lcr for the center speaker. Budget does not permit me to buy new, but i want to avoid getting the wrong vintage, used.
If you contact Triad directly they are awesome about this type of info, and even checking serial numbers of used gear for me to determine the vintage (this is how I was able to feel confident that my 3rd Bronze LCR would match my other pair despite a slightly different physical appearance.

While I'm not specifically familiar with the Golds, my understanding is, since the switch from the older lens tweeter version, there has basically been one overhaul. This is because the source of the Peerless and Vifa drivers they were using went out of business around 2010, so the models in the past 5 years use different drivers then the ~2003-2010 era.

Within that last era there was a change from cloth grills to metal at some point, but the drivers and design was unchanged, just cosmetic.

My center Bronze LCR is a bit older (2005ish) and has the cloth grill and a slightly longer and shallower cabinet, the L/R pair has the metal grill and is ~2010ish.
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If you contact Triad directly they are awesome about this type of info, and even checking serial numbers of used gear for me to determine the vintage (this is how I was able to feel confident that my 3rd Bronze LCR would match my other pair despite a slightly different physical appearance.

While I'm not specifically familiar with the Golds, my understanding is, since the switch from the older lens tweeter version, there has basically been one overhaul. This is because the source of the Peerless and Vifa drivers they were using went out of business around 2010, so the models in the past 5 years use different drivers then the ~2003-2010 era.

Within that last era there was a change from cloth grills to metal at some point, but the drivers and design was unchanged, just cosmetic.

My center Bronze LCR is a bit older (2005ish) and has the cloth grill and a slightly longer and shallower cabinet, the L/R pair has the metal grill and is ~2010ish.
Good points. I will have to hit up Triad directly and see what they say.

I have found one common difference among some of the LCR vintages:

The woofer edges are round on the older ones, but have two flat edges on newer ones.
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Triad LCR settings and crossover Advise needed...

Hi guys, just got a Triad system installed in my theater. The LCR's are the Bronze4 in-wall. Got the Triad Bronze in-wall Bronze4 subs (which are powered by the Rackamp 300).

I have a Marantz 7702MK2 processor. First, In the speaker settings should I set all the speakers to Large or Small? Second, I have the crossover set to 80Hz on the Processor and the Triad Rackamp - Is 80Hz good? Third, What does the LFE setting on the processor and the Rackamp mean - currently the LFE is off by default on the processor.

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Hi guys, just got a Triad system installed in my theater. The LCR's are the Bronze4 in-wall. Got the Triad Bronze in-wall Bronze4 subs (which are powered by the Rackamp 300).

I have a Marantz 7702MK2 processor. First, In the speaker settings should I set all the speakers to Large or Small? Second, I have the crossover set to 80Hz on the Processor and the Triad Rackamp - Is 80Hz good? Third, What does the LFE setting on the processor and the Rackamp mean - currently the LFE is off by default on the processor.

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You may also want to ask in the thread related to your Marantz.

At the very least, all speakers should be set to SMALL. 80HZ crossover in the Marantz should be fine.

I'm not familiar with the crossover on the Rackamp but chances are good if you have set a crossover in your Marantz you can (should) turn off the crossover in the Traid Rackamp.
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Hi guys, just got a Triad system installed in my theater. The LCR's are the Bronze4 in-wall. Got the Triad Bronze in-wall Bronze4 subs (which are powered by the Rackamp 300).

I have a Marantz 7702MK2 processor. First, In the speaker settings should I set all the speakers to Large or Small? Second, I have the crossover set to 80Hz on the Processor and the Triad Rackamp - Is 80Hz good? Third, What does the LFE setting on the processor and the Rackamp mean - currently the LFE is off by default on the processor.

Thanks,
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Have you run Audyssey? The calibration will measure the speakers and set the MINIMUM crossover for these speakers (i.e. it measures how low they go and then the AVP sets the xover at the next highest available point). I have a feeling with Bronze LCR's you'll probably end up at 60Hz. However, this should likely be raised up to at least 80Hz. If you're going to be playing REALLY loud, then a bit higher (100Hz) will take a bit of strain off the LCR's and hand it off to the subs.

ALL speakers should be set to SMALL. Triad speakers are intended to be used with a subwoofer and bass management.

The crossover in the Rackamp should be disabled if possible, as the AVP is handling the bass management. This needs to be done BEFORE running Audyssey.

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Since the subject was brought up a posts back I thought it might be appropriate to share a quote from one of Paul Scarpelli's posts where he references a comparison test he had made at home between the Gold LCR's and the Gold Monitors - (in case anyone was wondering on the differences)

"I've talked about the Gold Monitors versus the Gold LCRs many times since the inception of this thread. I got to do an A/B in my theater a few years ago, and I came to a few conclusions. The Gold LCR is one of the great values in our line, and in a casual comparison with the Gold Monitor, most folks won't hear much of a difference, if any. They both play to about the same volume, and they are equally dynamic. The difference that I hear; and I consider it a big one; is in that last veil removed from the sound. The lifelike clarity of the Monitor is disarming, and although the two speakers sound similar, the Gold Monitor presents a crystal-clear window into the recording. The combination of those two 7" Scan-Speak mids and the Scan-Speak Revelator tweeter is magic, and at $3,800, this is the least expensive speaker I've seen that uses them.

In general, for 53% of the cost, the Gold LCR provides approximately 80% of the performance. With my collection of audiophile music, the Gold Monitor was the better choice for me. God, that tweeter."
I want to add. This is with music. For HT use the difference will be even less. The Gold Monitors are great speakers, but I very much agree with Paul, the Gold LCR's are a great value.
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Thanks for the info guys. I will set to SMALL and also disable the crossover on the rack amp. I didn't run Audessey since i initially setup the speakers using my own C weighted slow response SPL Meter. I wonder if the Audessey mic will be even more accurate?
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Thanks for the info guys. I will set to SMALL and also disable the crossover on the rack amp. I didn't run Audessey since i initially setup the speakers using my own C weighted slow response SPL Meter. I wonder if the Audessey mic will be even more accurate?
In terms of setting levels and distance, the Audyssey mic should be the same -- though for the sub it will adjust distance to ALSO accommodate phase, which is useful.

Audyssey will ALSO do lots of other stuff, that is beyond the scope of this thread. But there are several other discussions about Audyssey including some dedicated threads on it.
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Hi guys, just got a Triad system installed in my theater. The LCR's are the Bronze4 in-wall. Got the Triad Bronze in-wall Bronze4 subs (which are powered by the Rackamp 300).

I have a Marantz 7702MK2 processor. First, In the speaker settings should I set all the speakers to Large or Small? Second, I have the crossover set to 80Hz on the Processor and the Triad Rackamp - Is 80Hz good? Third, What does the LFE setting on the processor and the Rackamp mean - currently the LFE is off by default on the processor.

Thanks,
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As others have said set the speakers to small and let the Marantz handle the crossover. In any event, for the Triad DSP crossover is only intended to be used if you are using the line inputs for a two channel system. You mentioned this is for a theater, so you should use LFE out from the Marantz to the Triad DSP RackAmp, other wise you are missing the whole .1 channel from your 5.1, 7.1, 11.1 etc. system!

I am not sure what you mean by "LFE is off by default on the processor?"
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I am not sure what you mean by "LFE is off by default on the processor?"
Sorry for the confusion, I meant the LFE is either off (for full range speakers) or ON to send the frequencies below 80Hz to the Sub.

I have now set the Triad speakers to Small and also kept the Crossover to 80Hz and set the Triad Rackamp to LFE mode.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

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Those modes effectively REDUCE the output of the receiver as a protection against running too hot. For safety compliance, they are great. For giving your speakers all the juice that want, not so much.
Correct. Also it makes a big difference in the type of 6 ohm or 4 ohm speaker you are trying to drive. If we were talking about a speaker that had an f3 of 30hz and or had a low ohm reading down low, then I would be concerned. With a speaker like Triad, that is designed to be crossed higher to a sub, it is much less of an issue. That is why Triad says that it is fine to use their speakers with 8 ohm rated AVR's. Paul addressed this back in 2008: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post13934063
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Hi,
We are in the process of building a house and I am planning on using Triad InWalls for a 5.1 system in the living room. I've attached a PDF with room layout and dimensions. I'll have 2 Velodyne SC-IF/IC 12" subs with their matching amp installed in the floor joists. Will use a Marantz SR5006 to power the Triads until I can afford separates down the road.

I was thinking about going with Gold Omni/4 SEs for the front 3 and Bronze/4 Surrounds for the rears.

I'm slightly more focused on how stereo music sounds compared to movies which is why I was leaning towards the Gold Omni/4 SEs. $1000 per speaker for the fronts in my max.

Will those work for my room size and layout?

Thanks in advance!
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Hi,
We are in the process of building a house and I am planning on using Triad InWalls for a 5.1 system in the living room. I've attached a PDF with room layout and dimensions. I'll have 2 Velodyne SC-IF/IC 12" subs with their matching amp installed in the floor joists. Will use a Marantz SR5006 to power the Triads until I can afford separates down the road.

I was thinking about going with Gold Omni/4 SEs for the front 3 and Bronze/4 Surrounds for the rears.

I'm slightly more focused on how stereo music sounds compared to movies which is why I was leaning towards the Gold Omni/4 SEs. $1000 per speaker for the fronts in my max.

Will those work for my room size and layout?

Thanks in advance!
I sent you a PM. How loud do you listen?
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I like to listen at moderate plus levels but my wife often makes me turn it down
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I like to listen at moderate plus levels but my wife often makes me turn it down
If you stay 10db below reference at your listening position, you should be okay. That is still pretty loud.
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