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post #8101 of 9867 Old 06-29-2016, 05:32 PM
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Yep. Get a Marantz 7702 mkII pre-amp at AV Science and some Outlaw Audio (ATI) power amps.
Hmm... this Outlaw stuff is pretty intriguing.
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Hmm... this Outlaw stuff is pretty intriguing.
ATI makes some good, solid, no frills amps. They are the manufacturer for many mid to high end U.S. consumer electronics brands (both amps and pre-amps). Better quality than Emotiva, that's for sure.

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Hmm... this Outlaw stuff is pretty intriguing.
Since your going with a 5.1 setup, possibly 5.1.4 in the future, I would consider getting the 7700mkii and a 5000 series amp if your on a budget. If you can swing the extra grand or so, get the 7700amp for true balanced xlr inputs from the 7700mkii. Then when you upgrade to Atmos you can just either move the 5000 series amp to power those and buy a 7700 for the mains later, or just buy another 5000 series. I myself just recently upgraded to a 7700mkii and Outlaw 7700 for my 7 main channels, then a 5000 series for the heights. I have to say I am loving them, adds a good bit of clarity to the triad speakers at higher volumes vs just a standalone AVR (I had a denon x4000 before)
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Many thanks all for the guidance

I;ve attached a rough schematic of the room. As had to compromise with wife the 4 dots on the picture are where the seats will be so the area behind teh sofa is open and also partially open to the left. We would sit approx 15ft from teh front speakers and similar from teh rear.

Really want this to be nice and going for in wall versus tower to keep wide pleased.


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How big is your room? How far from the speakers do you sit?

There is no room small enough to justify using that sub.

If you are really stretched for budget, maybe cut corners somewhere else. For example, maybe get a basic two or three year old receiver (just make sure it has room correction which works on the subwoofer output) instead of a current Atmos one -- saving upwards of $1000, and get a pair of these:

HSU STF-2 Subwoofer for $800
Rythmik LV12R Direct Servo subwoofer for $1100
SVSound PB-1000 for $950

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You will miss out on Atmos for a while (until you can afford a more recent receiver) but you'll be WAY more happy with real subs.

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Or skip the ceiling speakers for now, if that enables you to get real subs.
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Yeah, I'm trying to see if I can get the silver/4 LCR to work in the space I have for the wall. If not, then I might have to consider inwall Bronze/4 (10 ft apart) vs inroom silver LCR (6 ft apart in media center). Thanks for the recommendation. Triad is at the top of my list because of all the good things people say about them.
Tough choice, but I don't think you will be dissatisfied either way, though, if I was picking, I would go Bronze, due to the better spacing. I would also move them up, so that you are not getting a reflection on the side wall and fireplace surround. If we can help you, give us a call.

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Many thanks all for the guidance

I;ve attached a rough schematic of the room. As had to compromise with wife the 4 dots on the picture are where the seats will be so the area behind teh sofa is open and also partially open to the left. We would sit approx 15ft from teh front speakers and similar from teh rear.

Really want this to be nice and going for in wall versus tower to keep wide pleased.
15 feet is a little long to get the best out the bronze but will be workable.

I would definitely find a way to get two good subs on opposing walls (mirror image) in that room.
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Since your going with a 5.1 setup, possibly 5.1.4 in the future, I would consider getting the 7700mkii and a 5000 series amp if your on a budget. If you can swing the extra grand or so, get the 7700amp for true balanced xlr inputs from the 7700mkii. Then when you upgrade to Atmos you can just either move the 5000 series amp to power those and buy a 7700 for the mains later, or just buy another 5000 series. I myself just recently upgraded to a 7700mkii and Outlaw 7700 for my 7 main channels, then a 5000 series for the heights. I have to say I am loving them, adds a good bit of clarity to the triad speakers at higher volumes vs just a standalone AVR (I had a denon x4000 before)
If you are on a budget, then I would get the 7-channel Monoprice amp. Dave Vaughn did a review of this amp here.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...EI7RiKE0Hqk.97
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If you are on a budget, then I would get the 7-channel Monoprice amp. Dave Vaughn did a review of this amp here.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...EI7RiKE0Hqk.97
I was looking at that one as well when I was considering amps. Only thing is, if you wait for a sale at Outlaw or buy a combo (with the 7702mkii) you can usually save 300-500 bucks on the 7700, then that brings it to within about ~150-350 of the monoprice one. But you get true balanced XLR inputs, which imo is very helpful to prevent ground loop issues, won't even debate the better sound quality difference vs rca's, to me I probably wouldn't be able to tell, but to prevent any ground loop issues, that is worth the small price difference (If you can find the 7700 on sale). But if you know you won't have any need for XLR inputs or know for sure you won't have a ground loop issue, then the Monoprice amp seems very solid as well.
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The Surround series speakers can be supplied as Dipole or Bipole. If I have an old Dipole pair can I easily convert them to Bipole by wiring the out of phase tweeter back in phase?

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The Surround series speakers can be supplied as Dipole or Bipole. If I have an old Dipole pair can I easily convert them to Bipole by wiring the out of phase tweeter back in phase?
My dipole silver surrounds (late 2013) required new crossovers be installed by Triad to convert them to bipole at cost of ~$150-200/ea.
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Im interested in buying an InWall Bronze subwoofer off Craigslist. The serial number is 85xxx. I'm concerned they are very old because my InRoom Silver LCR's with serials 170xxx are 10 years old. I'm guessing based on the 85xxx serial that they might be twice as old. Do all Triad speakers use the same sequence of serial numbers, or does each model use their own serial numbers?
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Im interested in buying an InWall Bronze subwoofer off Craigslist. The serial number is 85xxx. I'm concerned they are very old because my InRoom Silver LCR's with serials 170xxx are 10 years old. I'm guessing based on the 85xxx serial that they might be twice as old. Do all Triad speakers use the same sequence of serial numbers, or does each model use their own serial numbers?
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Contact Triad ([email protected]) and Brent Passmore, one of their senior techs, will get back to you with a more precise age for the speakers. He's been super helpful and responsive when I've reached out for info.

I agree. Brent is very helpful. All of the speakers I have received new from Triad in the past 2 or so years have had serial numbers 34XXXX and higher.
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I have a question for you guys about grills. I know about a year ago Triad changed from the expanded metal grills to basically perforated metal, like the grills found on the InRoom subs. I actually like the perforated a little better as it seems to lay flatter.


I am thinking of upgrading my current expanded metal framed grills to frameless. You don't see a lot of photos of the frameless grills, but with the new perforated metal, it should look pretty solid. I know they consist of an interior frame with magnetic strips that the grill attaches to.


Anybody have experience or great photos you can share related to the frameless grills?
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I have a question for you guys about grills. I know about a year ago Triad changed from the expanded metal grills to basically perforated metal, like the grills found on the InRoom subs. I actually like the perforated a little better as it seems to lay flatter.


I am thinking of upgrading my current expanded metal framed grills to frameless. You don't see a lot of photos of the frameless grills, but with the new perforated metal, it should look pretty solid. I know they consist of an interior frame with magnetic strips that the grill attaches to.


Anybody have experience or great photos you can share related to the frameless grills?
I have the frame-less grills on my four atmos ceiling speakers. They look very good imo, especially with them being paint matched to my ceiling color, they really are hard to notice from certain angles. The grill itself is just the metal grill material, but the metal on the frame must be magnetized and the grill just "clicks/sticks" to it. Very clean and elegant and strong connection as well, they won't fall off that's for sure! Hopefully these pictures help.
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I have the frame-less grills on my four atmos ceiling speakers. They look very good imo, especially with them being paint matched to my ceiling color, they really are hard to notice from certain angles. The grill itself is just the metal grill material, but the metal on the frame must be magnetized and the grill just "clicks/sticks" to it. Very clean and elegant and strong connection as well, they won't fall off that's for sure! Hopefully these pictures help.

Wow, those look great! Thanks for sharing. And, I see you have the newer style perforated metal. I have 6 Atmos ceiling speakers so I am thinking that they may look much nicer with just a single grill vs the contrast between wall/frame/grill.
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What kind of sound signature is Triad known for? Warm, bright, accurate, lean, studio, etc?
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What kind of sound signature is Triad known for? Warm, bright, accurate, lean, studio, etc?
Neutral. Accurate. True to what was heard in the studio.

You can EQ to get any sound you want, but their default signature is to reveal accurately what the source signal contains, like in a studio, so that if the content creator wanted you to hear a warm sound, you will, or if (s)he wants you to hear a bright sound, Triad speakers will reproduce that brightness, just as the content creator intended.

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Is there much of a difference in sound quality or application between the following two speakers to be used as surrounds:

InWall Bronze/4Sat
InWall Bronze/4 Surround

Is there much of a sound quality difference between the Silver counterparts? I know the surround speakers aren't used as much as the Left, Right, and Center speakers, so I am wondering if it's worth more paying for Silver surrounds.
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Is there much of a difference in sound quality or application between the following two speakers to be used as surrounds:

InWall Bronze/4Sat
InWall Bronze/4 Surround

Is there much of a sound quality difference between the Silver counterparts? I know the surround speakers aren't used as much as the Left, Right, and Center speakers, so I am wondering if it's worth more paying for Silver surrounds.
If you have some distance from the seats to the surrounds, then the Sat's being direct radiating would be a good choice, especially if going Atmos. If you have more than one row of seating and/or close to sidewall seating, then you might want to consider the bipole surrounds. If we can help answer your questions, give us a call.
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Is there much of a difference in sound quality or application between the following two speakers to be used as surrounds:

InWall Bronze/4Sat
InWall Bronze/4 Surround

Is there much of a sound quality difference between the Silver counterparts? I know the surround speakers aren't used as much as the Left, Right, and Center speakers, so I am wondering if it's worth more paying for Silver surrounds.
In terms of application, Sat = direct firing (monopole) and Surround = twin-firing (bipole or dipole depending on how configured)

Silver vs. Bronze is about room size / speaker distance / desired SPL, with Silver being a bit larger with bigger woofers so they can handle more power / SPL.
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Triad will be out of Nano soundbars for about 2 weeks.

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Hi all,

What is the sound character of triad gold lcr?Is it almost similar like Jtr Neosis or Seaton Catalyst?

My ht room will be completed in a few month,size 15' x 24' x 9.5.I'm looking for identical lcr behind AT screen and have to choose without audition either of these brand.My normal volume is -5 to reference,thinking of 7.4.4.
About speaker character i like dynamic,open(wider) and a bit musical and i'm 100% movies.

Thank you guys.

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The Triad are excellent. Neutral. You will probably want an external amp to get those most out of the Gold LCR.
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Hi all,

What is the sound character of triad gold lcr?Is it almost similar like Jtr Neosis or Seaton Catalyst?

My ht room will be completed in a few month,size 15' x 24' x 9.5.I'm looking for identical lcr behind AT screen and have to choose without audition either of these brand.My normal volume is -5 to reference,thinking of 7.4.4.
About speaker character i like dynamic,open(wider) and a bit musical and i'm 100% movies.

Thank you guys.
I can't comment on sound character specifically, but these are all designed for a "prosumer" cinema environment so it's a good bet they will all be clean, accurate and neutral speakers. None of these are "audiophile" speakers that are going to be tuned to have a specific character, they are reference theater speakers that are supposed to be accurate and true to the source.

The big difference is the JTR and Seaton type speakers use horn loaded compression drivers and thus have a major sensitivity advantage. To play super loud as nathan says the Triads will require significant amplification, whereas the JTR/Seaton types with their ~100dB sensitivity will get that loud with a lot less power. Those who have made the move to these high end compression horn speakers love their effortless dynamics. I'm sure you'll be happy with any of these as they are all amazing speakers.
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What speakers in the Triad lineup would be closest to the JBL Synthesis SCL-4's?
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Hi all,

What is the sound character of triad gold lcr?Is it almost similar like Jtr Neosis or Seaton Catalyst?

My ht room will be completed in a few month,size 15' x 24' x 9.5.I'm looking for identical lcr behind AT screen and have to choose without audition either of these brand.My normal volume is -5 to reference,thinking of 7.4.4.
About speaker character i like dynamic,open(wider) and a bit musical and i'm 100% movies.

Thank you guys.
I think by your description, you've already given your preference!

The Triad Gold LCR's will give you a wider, fuller sound than the Noeisis 212's. At -5 db's you'll be fine with SPL and dynamics with Gold's. IMHO, a better sounding speaker at your listening levels.

I audition over 70-80 speaker systems traveling from Seattle to San Deigo with pricing ranging from $10,000 to $100,000. It took 2-1/2 years of demoing systems and settled on Triad Gold LCR's for mains. I was originally requesting Plats for my room but after my demo with JTR Noesis 212's decided to use Erskine Groups recommendations who designed my room. JFYI, my wife hated the Noesis which were painful to her due to compression drivers........I too became fatigued after 15-20 minutes. Both my wife and I demoed Gold LCR's four times and she preferred the sound. She's a novice but was able to describe quite well what she heard ......she said, "They sound bigger, smoother, and don't hurt when played loud!"

The only compression driver system I liked was Proaudiotech system with DSP amps.....cost of total system for 7.2 including all amps was 70k....almost bit but reality set in.

If I were you, I'd try to audition the Noesis 212's and Triad Gold LCR's yourself and make your own call.

BTW, your room is much more important in what you hear than your speakers. In my quest for theater speakers....I heard $100,000 systems that sounded like crap.........$20,000 systems in acoustically designed room sounded great! One of the best demos I heard used Triad Gold LCR's in a well designed room saved me from chasing a rabbit hole for sure!

Good luck....
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I think by your description, you've already given your preference!

The Triad Gold LCR's will give you a wider, fuller sound than the Noeisis 212's. At -5 db's you'll be fine with SPL and dynamics with Gold's. IMHO, a better sounding speaker at your listening levels.

I audition over 70-80 speaker systems traveling from Seattle to San Deigo with pricing ranging from $10,000 to $100,000. It took 2-1/2 years of demoing systems and settled on Triad Gold LCR's for mains. I was originally requesting Plats for my room but after my demo with JTR Noesis 212's decided to use Erskine Groups recommendations who designed my room. JFYI, my wife hated the Noesis which were painful to her due to compression drivers........I too became fatigued after 15-20 minutes. Both my wife and I demoed Gold LCR's four times and she preferred the sound. She's a novice but was able to describe quite well what she heard ......she said, "They sound bigger, smoother, and don't hurt when played loud!"

The only compression driver system I liked was Proaudiotech system with DSP amps.....cost of total system for 7.2 including all amps was 70k....almost bit but reality set in.

If I were you, I'd try to audition the Noesis 212's and Triad Gold LCR's yourself and make your own call.

BTW, your room is much more important in what you hear than your speakers. In my quest for theater speakers....I heard $100,000 systems that sounded like crap.........$20,000 systems in acoustically designed room sounded great! One of the best demos I heard used Triad Gold LCR's in a well designed room saved me from chasing a rabbit hole for sure!

Good luck....
Thank you sir for sharing the experience.From your experience,what do you think of Adam gtc compare to triad?
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Hey, it's me, after a two year absence from AVS Forum and this, my favorite thread. AVS fouled up my account so I could not log on, and I only yesterday fixed the problem.

I retired from Triad over five years ago, and I am now a bit out of touch with current product issues. I do know there's some really cool new stuff, but I am not up to speed enough to offer any useful technical advice. I am still in touch with sales and engineering folks at Triad, but my knowledge of Triad is attenuated. I'm getting notifications for this thread, and I'll lurk, but I won't post much. I have many unanswered notifications and I'll try to get to those in the next week. If I haven't responded to you it's because I was locked out of this Forum for two years. I bear no animosity, though.

For most of that time, I've been wordsmithing for Audioholics, and my old friend Gene DellaSala. If you Google "Scarpelli" and "Audioholics" you should find around fifteen articles dealing with home theater, surround sound, turntables, and other pithy subjects. You may or may not learn anything, but you'll most likely get a titter, yuk, or guffaw.

Anyway, it's nice to see the thread survived and flourished in my absence. You're a great bunch.
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Hey, it's me, after a two year absence from AVS Forum and this, my favorite thread. AVS fouled up my account so I could not log on, and I only yesterday fixed the problem.

I retired from Triad over five years ago, and I am now a bit out of touch with current product issues. I do know there's some really cool new stuff, but I am not up to speed enough to offer any useful technical advice. I am still in touch with sales and engineering folks at Triad, but my knowledge of Triad is attenuated. I'm getting notifications for this thread, and I'll lurk, but I won't post much. I have many unanswered notifications and I'll try to get to those in the next week. If I haven't responded to you it's because I was locked out of this Forum for two years. I bear no animosity, though.

For most of that time, I've been wordsmithing for Audioholics, and my old friend Gene DellaSala. If you Google "Scarpelli" and "Audioholics" you should find around fifteen articles dealing with home theater, surround sound, turntables, and other pithy subjects. You may or may not learn anything, but you'll most likely get a titter, yuk, or guffaw.

Anyway, it's nice to see the thread survived and flourished in my absence. You're a great bunch.
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