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that's crazy cause you can get the Dynaudio Excite X38 for $3900 right now everywhere in the US.
This is $5215 canadian while the x-34 is 4K or $2990usd so it $910usd cheaper than a pair of x-38.


How much are the x-34 going for in USD, I know 2 years ago Dyn Canadian and US prices were exactly the same.

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This is $5215 canadian while the x-34 is 4K or $2990usd so it $910usd cheaper than a pair of x-38.


How much are the x-34 going for in USD, I know 2 years ago Dyn Canadian and US prices were exactly the same.
I think they're $2800 for X34s right now

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Are Dynaudios similar to the Totems?
Many aspects yes but still have their own character, you get a lot for your money too truly great speaker and also neutral even more than Totems, very transparent and can also mix lines.


FYI Totems used Dynaudio drivers in their speakers for years but not anymore.

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I think they're $2800 for X34s right now
So it's not to far off the actual price I pay in reality considering the exchange rate. $190 is not the end of the world but it hurts my wallet for sure

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Are Dynaudios similar to the Totems?
The Dyns are more neutral, highs don't roll-off as much, and deeper bass response and output. Totems are a little warmer, richer sounding, slight bit of color to them to (for lack of a better word) enhance the musical experience, totem bass response is good as well, not quite as deep.

Honestly both are great and it would come down to what you prefer. Olivier and I appreciate both brands. I believe he has a pair of Excite X12s and I'm always considering a pair of used satin white Mites or Rainmakers for a second system down the road.

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The Dyns are more neutral, highs don't roll-off as much, and deeper bass response and output. Totems are a little warmer, richer sounding, slight bit of color to them to (for lack of a better word) enhance the musical experience, totem bass response is good as well, not quite as deep.

Honestly both are great and it would come down to what you prefer. Olivier and I appreciate both brands. I believe he has a pair of Excite X12s and I'm always considering a pair of used satin white Mites or Rainmakers for a second system down the road.
depends how you look at it I think it's all in the air displacement cause the low end extension of the Sigs is lower than the Focus 260 and I had the chance to compare that but man oh man right down to 40hz the 260 can move way more air. What Totems lack in many ways is the air displacement because less driver surface is used and not low end extension this is where the nuance is In fat my Fires move way more air than my Sigs it's insane but they roll off faster right around 37hz vs 29hz for the sigs when I listen to the Battle it is noticeable I understand th frustration you had with the 160s .


Yes I do have the X-12 in the office setup not to crazy about that Maple, I almost had a buyer for them but he did not like the Maple either


If you can find Rainmaker I'd go with that, The mites sound great but a bit thin below 60hz sound much smaller than X-12, Rainmaker go deeper than the X-12 and even x-14 but with coloration and flaws but again not that much just enough to make them enjoyable but still considered neutral. Imagine now in Canada they have the advantage to be 600$ cheaper than x-14 would be around $400 for you brand new.

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Many aspects yes but still have their own character, you get a lot for your money too truly great speaker and also neutral even more than Totems, very transparent and can also mix lines.
FYI Totems used Dynaudio drivers in their speakers for years but not anymore.
Typically Dynaudios use soft dome tweeters, which at least to me results in a softer delivery in the upper range. I prefer a more assertive (some would say aggressive) delivery up there, hence I picked the Element Fire over the Element Ember in the Totem line, too. I like Dynaudios a lot, but I think Totems have a more "assertive" signature, which to me at least make them more fun. It depends on what people like, can't go wrong with any top brand these days provided you're into their particular signature.
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attached a little system i set up for a friend... Totem Dreamcatchers connected to a NAD D7050 amplifier/DAC. not seen a Velodyne Minivee on the right. The D7050 allows want to play with crossover, which is pretty neat, and i set it at 70Hz and the Minivee is turned to 40% or so. I have to say the system sounds pretty darn awesome...
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Typically Dynaudios use soft dome tweeters, which at least to me results in a softer delivery in the upper range. I prefer a more assertive (some would say aggressive) delivery up there, hence I picked the Element Fire over the Element Ember in the Totem line, too. I like Dynaudios a lot, but I think Totems have a more "assertive" signature, which to me at least make them more fun. It depends on what people like, can't go wrong with any top brand these days provided you're into their particular signature.
Yes you are right, except of the tweeter part where the metal dome tweeter response also relies a lot on the x-over. I think, metal dome can be very laid back, one thing is they are not forgiving so better have good gear with low distortion. Distortion on a metal dome tweeter can be quite harsh where the Textile dome is very forgiving for that matter.

You are absolutely completely right on Dynaudio being neutral or transparent as we pointed out Totem has a little coloration but still neutral but it makes them fun to listen to, Vinces says they work their magic .

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Typically Dynaudios use soft dome tweeters, which at least to me results in a softer delivery in the upper range. I prefer a more assertive (some would say aggressive) delivery up there, hence I picked the Element Fire over the Element Ember in the Totem line, too. I like Dynaudios a lot, but I think Totems have a more "assertive" signature, which to me at least make them more fun. It depends on what people like, can't go wrong with any top brand these days provided you're into their particular signature.
I haven't heard the Element line but based on what you're saying I think they'd be my tastes. The new Dynaudio Excites and the recently discontinued Focus would probably be preferential to your tastes. The older contours (haven't heard the latest LEs) the confidence and older Audience lines did have a warmer softened tone.

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I haven't heard the Element line but based on what you're saying I think they'd be my tastes. The new Dynaudio Excites and the recently discontinued Focus would probably be preferential to your tastes. The older contours (haven't heard the latest LEs) the confidence and older Audience lines did have a warmer softened tone.
True, the M1S would be smoother in fact than the Focus 160 I think, Difference is clear when you compare Focus and Excites in the Dyn lineup. Elements are the edgiest Totems according to Vince and the are indeed not as round but I love both my Sigs and My Fires and lived long enough with both to know the Forest and Signature do sound rounder than the Elements..

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... I love both my Sigs and My Fires and lived long enough with both to know the Forest and Signature do sound rounder than the Elements..
I adore the Fire. The big 7 inch woofer, no crossover and an indestructible tweeter make it enormous fun to listen to. I don't think I'll ever need another speaker. I have enjoyed my share of audio porn over the years. At first I thought the Fires weren't for me, but if there's one speaker where time has made a huge difference (or perhaps my ear had to adjust), it is the Fire.
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I adore the Fire. The big 7 inch woofer, no crossover and an indestructible tweeter make it enormous fun to listen to. I don't think I'll ever need another speaker. I have enjoyed my share of audio porn over the years. At first I thought the Fires weren't for me, but if there's one speaker where time has made a huge difference (or perhaps my ear had to adjust), it is the Fire.
Did you know the 7 inch Torrent driver could be considered a 7.5 here is the comparison with the 6 and 3/4 of the Forest signature






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What I can say is that I keep my subwoofer turned off even though I have it set up to just kick in under 40Hz. I have never ever heard a 2 way speaker that is so engaging throughout the spectrum. Bookshelves typically are all staging and accuracy. The Fire surrounds that with reach and drama. I set them up a bit over a ft from the back wall and I don't need any additional bass extension in my room.
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True, the M1S would be smoother in fact than the Focus 160 I think, Difference is clear when you compare Focus and Excites in the Dyn lineup. Elements are the edgiest Totems according to Vince and the are indeed not as round but I love both my Sigs and My Fires and lived long enough with both to know the Forest and Signature do sound rounder than the Elements..
So I went down to my dealer and finally got to hear the Fires, Metals, and Forest Sigs, with my music. The Elements all sounded like they were missing the highs that i like so much with the other metal tweeter offerings. While the Fires did have some of the best sustain I've heard on any speaker (piano on Tori Amos' "Boys for Pele"), the highs and detail just weren't there, and were kind of muffled sounding. That said, the salesman did say that they were new, as they recently sold the previous demo pair. However not wanting to take a $6k + gamble (I'm sure they'd open up after ~100 hours, like the Rains, but then what would they sound like) I decided to try and make my own budget Fire/Metal hybrid (Fire floorstander), with drivers from my old car setup: Canton AT-25 tweeters, and MB Quart RWC 200 "mid-bass" (love these, car or home)...also have a pair of 8" JL woofers to add if need be. Not the same as the Quarts, but at least it would get me some more low end.

Surprising how closely they resemble the Element drivers:







I had planned on building cabinets from scratch, but why reinvent the wheel, when pre-fab is available (and I only have a week of vacation):

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Given these will only be for watching TV, I probably won't want to spend more than the $138 for the cabinets, and $10 for the binding posts that I've put in. I was listening last night, with my receiver driving the Rain maker's tweeters, and another wire run to the Quarts, with my deck lid on the floor between the Rains, and I was actually happy with the sound. I tried running just the Rains as "mains", but can't get them close enough to the wall (3ft at best) to get enough bass out of them.

I did find a place that sells SEAS tweeters, from $40 - $1000, so if the bottom end turns out well, but the tweeter doesn't match, I'm sure I'll be upgrading later.

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I find that odd.even out of the box,when I initially didn't like the fire, the issue was not at all in the high registers. It was in the vocal middles. They seemed receded at first. That was my issue. The highs and the lows kinda overpowered initially.
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True, the M1S would be smoother in fact than the Focus 160 I think, Difference is clear when you compare Focus and Excites in the Dyn lineup. Elements are the edgiest Totems according to Vince and the are indeed not as round but I love both my Sigs and My Fires and lived long enough with both to know the Forest and Signature do sound rounder than the Elements..
I could maybe guess what you mean by edgy and round - but what exactly do you mean by edgy and round?
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I could maybe guess what you mean by edgy and round - but what exactly do you mean by edgy and round?
bright and smooth, it's not night and day but the Elements are a little more forward.

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So I went down to my dealer and finally got to hear the Fires, Metals, and Forest Sigs, with my music. The Elements all sounded like they were missing the highs that i like so much with the other metal tweeter offerings. While the Fires did have some of the best sustain I've heard on any speaker (piano on Tori Amos' "Boys for Pele"), the highs and detail just weren't there, and were kind of muffled sounding. That said, the salesman did say that they were new, as they recently sold the previous demo pair. However not wanting to take a $6k + gamble (I'm sure they'd open up after ~100 hours, like the Rains, but then what would they sound like) I decided to try and make my own budget Fire/Metal hybrid (Fire floorstander), with drivers from my old car setup: Canton AT-25 tweeters, and MB Quart RWC 200 "mid-bass" (love these, car or home)...also have a pair of 8" JL woofers to add if need be. Not the same as the Quarts, but at least it would get me some more low end.

Surprising how closely they resemble the Element drivers:







I had planned on building cabinets from scratch, but why reinvent the wheel, when pre-fab is available (and I only have a week of vacation):

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Given these will only be for watching TV, I probably won't want to spend more than the $138 for the cabinets, and $10 for the binding posts that I've put in. I was listening last night, with my receiver driving the Rain maker's tweeters, and another wire run to the Quarts, with my deck lid on the floor between the Rains, and I was actually happy with the sound. I tried running just the Rains as "mains", but can't get them close enough to the wall (3ft at best) to get enough bass out of them.

I did find a place that sells SEAS tweeters, from $40 - $1000, so if the bottom end turns out well, but the tweeter doesn't match, I'm sure I'll be upgrading later.
I think your comparison should stop there in terms of look sure enough the cone an dome look like but his is pretty common seen the 7 inch torrent driver? They are in fact they are more open than the Signatures in terms of highs and overall as well, no x-over part in the woofer section naturally rolled off. Did you listen to them with Some material you knew well?

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Yup...Vince passed around the torrent driver during his presentation. I have no expectation that my home brew will be as "authoritative" as the Fires, and definitely, not as the even larger sounding Metals (huge difference between the two IMHO), but at least I'll get close to the sound I'm looking for, until I decide between the Elements or the Forests.

But again, given that this was my first time getting to hear my go to demo tracks, played on the same device as I have (Bluesound Node), they just did not have that "clean" Totem sound "that I'm familiar with" (Forest Sig/Model 1 Sig). I may go back this week with my c-j tube amp (which I previously demoed the Sigs), to get a better idea of how they'd sound at home, vs the Macintosh setup at the store.
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Thanks, yeah thousands of $$$ it is an important decision making so better safe than sorry, I am lucky I can afford both so I can switch them from time to time

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What I can say is that I keep my subwoofer turned off even though I have it set up to just kick in under 40Hz. I have never ever heard a 2 way speaker that is so engaging throughout the spectrum. Bookshelves typically are all staging and accuracy. The Fire surrounds that with reach and drama. I set them up a bit over a ft from the back wall and I don't need any additional bass extension in my room.
I keep it that way too even with mt Fathom, I reserve the Fathom for HT use only

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Rainmaker ?

I'm looking for a bookshelf to Pair with a NAIM Audio Unitiqute 2 ( 30watts a channel 8 ohm /45 watts 4 ohm ) I am a Paradigm owner as of now Signature series on my main system. I just got to hear a pair of totems and really liked the sound would rainmakers pair well with this system? any comments suggestions would be greatly appreciated .
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Mite, Dreamcatcher or Rainmaker?

Hi,


I'm hoping I can tap into the obvious expertise of the folks in this thread. While I enjoy listening to music, I am far from an audiophile. I've always tried to buy components that are not too expensive, yet provide good value.


I'm looking to replace a pair of Energy Connoisseur C-5 speakers with something from the Totem line. The Mite and the Dreamcatcher come in at pretty much the same price, while the Rainmaker is more, but I could stretch it. I'm just not sure in which direction I should go, given that all of these speakers are at the relatively same price point (at least as contrasted to the Element line!).


I only use the stereo for music (no a/v) and my room is fairly large, about 20 X 30 (combination living and dining room).


I use a Bryston B60 integrated amplifier and my musical tastes are all over the map.


Thanks in advance for any counsel.


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I'm looking for a bookshelf to Pair with a NAIM Audio Unitiqute 2 ( 30watts a channel 8 ohm /45 watts 4 ohm ) I am a Paradigm owner as of now Signature series on my main system. I just got to hear a pair of totems and really liked the sound would rainmakers pair well with this system? any comments suggestions would be greatly appreciated .
Yes Rainmaker are not that efficient simply because of their size but they are not hard drive and they mate extremely well with Naim even the U-qute would go hand in hand with them, Imagine Vince Chief designer himself uses Naim gear at home he's driven his Tribe V on wall with a 50wpc Uniti and it's a more demanding speaker. I think you shold find that combo quite musical, what comes to worse how hard is it for you to bring the Qute in to audition with the Rainmakers?

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Hi,


I'm hoping I can tap into the obvious expertise of the folks in this thread. While I enjoy listening to music, I am far from an audiophile. I've always tried to buy components that are not too expensive, yet provide good value.


I'm looking to replace a pair of Energy Connoisseur C-5 speakers with something from the Totem line. The Mite and the Dreamcatcher come in at pretty much the same price, while the Rainmaker is more, but I could stretch it. I'm just not sure in which direction I should go, given that all of these speakers are at the relatively same price point (at least as contrasted to the Element line!).


I only use the stereo for music (no a/v) and my room is fairly large, about 20 X 30 (combination living and dining room).


I use a Bryston B60 integrated amplifier and my musical tastes are all over the map.


Thanks in advance for any counsel.


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Hi Scott, to me best buy of the 3 is the Rainmaker as they will move the most air in your large room, DC lack a bit of air displacement it's good in a small room like 12*9 they do sound great and audiophile like, most versatile is the Mites but are a bit thin in the bass department but they are the most forgiving vs the used electronics and source material not a bad choice, all things considered since you own a Bryston to drive the speakers I would not hesitate to go the extra mile with the Rainmakers. Place them 18 to 24 inches from back wall and you'll be surprised as to what they can provide in the Bass department but I don't think you can reach same spl level as the Energy's. More finess and more details and more open is what you will get.
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Hi Scott, to me best buy of the 3 is the Rainmaker as they will move the most air in your large room, DC lack a bit of air displacement it's good in a small room like 12*9 they do sound great and audiophile like, most versatile is the Mites but are a bit thin in the bass department but they are the most forgiving vs the used electronics and source material not a bad choice, all things considered since you own a Bryston to drive the speakers I would not hesitate to go the extra mile with the Rainmakers. Place them 18 to 24 inches from back wall and you'll be surprised as to what they can provide in the Bass department but I don't think you can reach same spl level as the Energy's. More finess and more details and more open is what you will get.
You seem to be the "go to" guy in this forum and I thank you kindly for the reply. I'm going to try to hear the Rainmakers this weekend. One further question if you don't mind. I'll also need a pair of stands. Most of the stands I've seen look pretty clunky, quite practical no doubt, but far from pleasing to the eye. Can you recommend any firm that makes stands that are more "graceful," for lack of a better word? Thanks again.
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You seem to be the "go to" guy in this forum and I thank you kindly for the reply. I'm going to try to hear the Rainmakers this weekend. One further question if you don't mind. I'll also need a pair of stands. Most of the stands I've seen look pretty clunky, quite practical no doubt, but far from pleasing to the eye. Can you recommend any firm that makes stands that are more "graceful," for lack of a better word? Thanks again.
You're welcome,

I switched out Energy C-500 for some Rainmakers so I know what i am talking abut I also happen to know their Quebec Rep as he's the one back then who sold me the Rainmakers , not sure what to suggest for stand, would want Eye pleasing and Sturdy I guess, what's the budget for stands?

Ever looked at Target stands?

The MR is what i use with my Fires I'd suggest 24 inches with the Rainmakers



http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TGMR

You could go with the HR for cheaper

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TGHR

Not sure if that would work for you but they are well regarded stands


Dynaudio makes some nice looking stands too in different finishes, look at the stand3x and stand6
http://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/accessories/

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Yes Rainmaker are not that efficient simply because of their size but they are not hard drive and they mate extremely well with Naim even the U-qute would go hand in hand with them, Imagine Vince Chief designer himself uses Naim gear at home he's driven his Tribe V on wall with a 50wpc Uniti and it's a more demanding speaker. I think you shold find that combo quite musical, what comes to worse how hard is it for you to bring the Qute in to audition with the Rainmakers?
My dealer has neither the rainmakers or element embers to demo at the moment and Id really like to try the element embers but I thinking they might be too much to drive but not really sure. The Qute drives my paradigm S2's very nice I brought them to the dealer to demo on the naim since theirs a 3 week wait for the Qute to ship. So I have to wait to bring the naim to the totem dealer he doesn't sell naim and the naim dealer doesn't sell any speakers I like or can afford at the moment.

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My dealer has neither the rainmakers or element embers to demo at the moment and Id really like to try the element embers but I thinking they might be too much to drive but not really sure. The Qute drives my paradigm S2's very nice I brought them to the dealer to demo on the naim since theirs a 3 week wait for the Qute to ship. So I have to wait to bring the naim to the totem dealer he doesn't sell naim and the naim dealer doesn't sell any speakers I like or can afford at the moment.

Ok that kind of sucks doesn't it?

At least you know you're in for an excellent combo and i am confident the Qute will drive them well, Around april or may Totem should come up with a new offering between the Rainmaker and Ember to replace the beloved Model One unfortunately discontinued since Dynaudio cannot continue to supply Totem with older gen drivers.

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