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I'm looking to buy a new receiver to replace my POS HTIB this summer. I've been looking in the 300-500 range and want to maximize my dollar value. I've been looking at the new Yamaha V633 that has just come out, the new Pioneer that is coming out in the next few months and even the new Sony. However, I heard rumors of the the AVR 255 in the official Harman Kardon 247/347 thread and decided to kick start a thread around it. I had seen a news press about it a month ago or so and decided to see if I could dig up any new information. I randomly came across this website:

http://www.sound4you.sk/avr-255-detail-1365.html

Here are the details I can gather:

Expected Release Date: Release date is May-2008

Expected SRP: $599

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The AVR 255 is the most affordable Harman Kardon® receiver to feature both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding on the audio side, and Faroudja DCDi Cinema video processing to 1080p on the video side. But there’s plenty more to recommend the AVR 255, including three HDMI inputs, connections for external amplifi ers, EzSet/EQ technology to fine-tune your system to the acoustics of your room, and an RS-232 port for future firmware upgrades. Perhaps the highest recommendation of all? As do all Harman Kardon A/V receivers, the AVR 255 features a high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth design for maximum fidelity.

Key Specifications
- Audio Section – Continuous Average Power (FTC), (stereo mode): 65 watts per channel into 8 ohms @ 20Hz – 20kHz, <0.07% THD, both channels driven; (seven-channel surround mode): 50 watts per channel into 8 ohms @ 20Hz – 20kHz, <0.07% THD, all channels driven; High Instantaneous Current Capability (HCC): ±35 amps
- Tuner – Usable Sensitivity: IHF 1.3µV/13.2dBf; THD at 1kHz with 100% modulation, (mono): 0.2%; (stereo): 0.3%; FM Adjacent Channel Selectivity: ±400kHz, 70dB; Ultimate (maximum) S/N Ratio (measured at 1mV RF input level), (mono): 70dB; (stereo): 68dB
- Dimensions (H x W x D) and weight: 165mm x 440mm x 382mm, 13.6kg
Depth measurement includes table stand, knobs, buttons and terminal connections, unless stated otherwise;

Power
- 50W x 7 into 8 ohms, 20Hz – 20kHz, at <0.07% THD, with all channels driven simultaneously
- High-current (±35 amps), ultrawide-bandwidth (10Hz – 100kHz) amplifier design
Surround Processing
- Full suite of Dolby surround decoding, including Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus using an advanced Cirrus Logic® CS 49700 32-bit DSP processor
- Full suite of DTS® modes, including DTS-HD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-ES® 6.1 Discrete & Matrix, DTS Neo:6® and DTS 96/24TM
- Dolby Pro Logic® IIx (Movie, Music and Game modes) surround sound
- Harman-exclusive Logic 7 Movie, Music and Game surround sound processing in 5.1 and 7.1 channels
- Dolby Headphone and Dolby Virtual Speaker surround modes
- Five- and Seven-channel Stereo, Hall and Theater surround modes
- 192kHz/24-Bit DACs
Connectivity
- Three HDMI 1.3a inputs and one HDMI output with 12-bit Deep Color and xvYCC pass-through
- Two assignable, wide-bandwidth (100MHz), HDTV-ready component video inputs and one output
- Subwoofer output for direct connection to a powered subwoofer
- Four A/V inputs with S-video, plus two audio-only inputs
- Eight-channel-direct inputs for use with external surround decoders
- 7.1 Preamp outputs allow the use of external amplifiers
- Convenient front-panel audio/video input with S-video for use with video games or portable players
- Six digital inputs (two optical and two coaxial on rear panel, and one optical and one coaxial on front panel)
- One coaxial digital output on rear panel
- RS-232 port for firmware upgrades
- IR remote extension jacks for control of the amplifier when placed in a cabinet
- Auxiliary input for connecting portable media players
Ease of Use
- HDMI 1.3a with audio processing and Faroudja DCDi Cinema video processing with upscaling to 1080p
- A/V Sync Delay adjustable for each input
- EzSet/EQ equalization for quick and accurate system setup
- FM stereo/AM tuner with 30 presets and direct-access tuning
- Quadruple-crossover bass manager
- Wide range of low-frequency crossover points (40Hz, 60Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz and 200Hz) available
- Full-color, high-defi nition, graphical on-screen interface, including HDMI and component video
- Programmable power-up volume
- Multiroom audio
- Surround back amplifier channels configurable for use as second-zone amplification
- Seven-device, preprogrammed system remote control




If the price point is right in the 500 dollar range street price then I'm all over it. The pictures of the thing look beautiful and even the remote looks rather stunning compared to the mess of buttons on other AVRs I've seen. I'm really excited about the "full color, high-definition, graphical on-screen interface."

The specs look solid enough compared to the competition but I think the WAF will really get this Receiver in my home.

What do you guys think?
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I think the 255/355 is non-US and the 254/354 is US.


According to another poster, SRP of the 254 is $649.99, and it is $899.99 for the 354.

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post13327523

One thing I would be concerned about is the fact that this is the first line of 1.3 receivers from HK. First-line 1.3 receivers were problematic for some other manufacturers, several of whom are already into succeeding models.
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Thanks for the clarification on the model numbers. $649 seems a bit on the extreme side. I could probably stomach a $599 SRP and hope for a $550 street price. I believe the original price of the 247 was $549 so I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility. I suppose the 1080p upscaler could drive up the price significantly.

Good point about the HDMI problems. One would hope that HK learned something from other's failures (as well as their own), but I guess we'll see.
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The new avr's are sweet looking, but the remote is not much to be desired.

For me it is a toss up between H/K & Emotiva.

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I'm with you on the debate between this and the Emotiva. I just fear that the Emotiva will be barely out of my price range. I'm budgeting around 1000 bucks for a new receiver and speakers. If the Emotiva LMC-2 is the 699 like I expect it to be then that leaves 200 bucks for speakers... that would be a sin to hook up 200 dollar speakers to the LMC-2.

As for the remote I actually really like the look of it. The layout is very simplified and uncluttered. I like the glossy look too. The biggest drawback in my opinion is that it is going to be covered in fingerprints after using it for an hour.
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I'm with you on the debate between this and the Emotiva. I just fear that the Emotiva will be barely out of my price range. I'm budgeting around 1000 bucks for a new receiver and speakers. If the Emotiva LMC-2 is the 699 like I expect it to be then that leaves 200 bucks for speakers... that would be a sin to hook up 200 dollar speakers to the LMC-2.

You could save up more money and wait to get speakers, or just by something inexpensive that will tide you over untill you can afford the speakers you want. Or some places like AV123, Aperion have 90 day, 6 mth, and 1 year free financing.

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...... I heard rumors of the the AVR 255 in the official Harman Kardon 247/347 thread .........

Thanx for spending the time to back up my rumor mill statement.
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Thanx for spending the time to back up my rumor mill statement.

Heheheh... sure!
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I suppose I could hold off on getting new speakers. I have a $450 Best Buy Gift card burning a hole in my pocket that I was thinking of using for this new HK when it hits Best Buy to soften the financial blow.

The speakers I am using now are seriously piles of crap. Think this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1165610947847 but worse. So, ANYTHING would be better than what I have now.
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I'm holding out for them. I'm a fan of H/K's clean design, simple operation and warm sound. I think this new design looks great; I wasn't a huge fan of the current models' styling, especially the bright blue volume knobs.

I don't need upconverting but will buy whichever one can transcode component over HDMI. My TV (Sony 34XBR970) is out of inputs ... it only has one HDMI and two component inputs.

I've had a H/K AVR 5 since 1999 and it still works and sounds great. But it doesn't have any digital inputs and only has one analog 5.1 input, so I can only get real surround sound from my SACD/DVD player. Everything
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Thanks for the clarification on the model numbers. $649 seems a bit on the extreme side. I could probably stomach a $599 SRP and hope for a $550 street price. I believe the original price of the 247 was $549 so I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility. I suppose the 1080p upscaler could drive up the price significantly.

Good point about the HDMI problems. One would hope that HK learned something from other's failures (as well as their own), but I guess we'll see.

you can get a 10% off best buy coupon at your nearest post office, in the Change of address form pamphlet. You can take a bunch.

The ads in the pamphlet pay for change of address for with no cost to the Tax payers.
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I think the 255/355 is non-US and the 254/354 is US.

That's the info I have as well. Look for them in late April/May.
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you can get a 10% off best buy coupon at your nearest post office, in the Change of address form pamphlet. You can take a bunch.

The ads in the pamphlet pay for change of address for with no cost to the Tax payers.

Cool, man. Thanks for the tip!



How do I change the title of this thread to reflect the proper model numbers?
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I am a HK dealer and actually got a brochure the other day on the new receivers coming out. The video processing is a very nice change. The only concern I've had with this amp is programming zone 2 into remotes and I heard that it is fixed with this next series. They also have a new ipod bridge coming out that looks like a big upgrade from the previous version.
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I am a HK dealer and actually got a brochure the other day on the new receivers coming out. The video processing is a very nice change. The only concern I've had with this amp is programming zone 2 into remotes and I heard that it is fixed with this next series. They also have a new ipod bridge coming out that looks like a big upgrade from the previous version.

Could you therefore verify the accuracy of the information as posted?
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Could you provide a scan of the brochure or is that a no-no?
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GDA Dave I am a HK dealer and actually got a brochure the other day on the new receivers coming out. The video processing is a very nice change. The only concern I've had with this amp is programming zone 2 into remotes and I heard that it is fixed with this next series. They also have a new ipod bridge coming out that looks like a big upgrade from the previous version.

Don't tease us! Is there anything else you can provide? Street date?
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Afternoon bump!
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zone 2 is easy on old hk's unless you are doing an IR only setup
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Logic 7 Game?

I hope Logic 7 actually works properly if you run a phantom center now.
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Logic 7 Game?

I hope Logic 7 actually works properly if you run a phantom center now.

What exactly does the Logic 7 processing really do?
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I am a HK dealer and actually got a brochure the other day on the new receivers coming out. The video processing is a very nice change. The only concern I've had with this amp is programming zone 2 into remotes and I heard that it is fixed with this next series. They also have a new ipod bridge coming out that looks like a big upgrade from the previous version.

Check out the remote control photo above, there is a small slide switch in the lower left corner for main room and Zone II. Now HK provides total discrete IR codes for both, so even through the AVR front panel IR sensor the controls/functions for Zone II are a single button push. I don't know of any AVR below $1000 that has this flexibility. Regarding the new iPod dock, it is very attractive and also works seamlessly for video selections.

Just my $0.02..
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I wish we could get confirmation from the "inside" that the specs and images I posted above are accurate. Anyone have any more hard statistics?
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If these new models from HK will allow you to overlay Logic 7 on ALL sources (HD-DVD) then I'm for sure going to wait it out for one of these!

Anyone know if either model will?
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They have a long history in making quality components. They are generally regarded as having a "warm" sound which is very appealing to me. Their last line was definitely rough around the edges and they had their handful of issues that were recently resolved with firmware updates. While the product shouldn't NEED to be updated by the end user (it should work the right way when the consumer buys it), it is comforting to know that it is possible to fix any firmware bugs later down the line if something is found, as well as the possibility to add additional features that were not originally available at the time of purchase. What most impresses me about HK is that they not only make great sound but they make receivers that are easy on the eyes. I'm all for making equipment function the best it can but if they can design a product that does the same as everyone else functionally but make it easy and appealing to use then they have my dollar.
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If these new models from HK will allow you to overlay Logic 7 on ALL sources (HD-DVD) then I'm for sure going to wait it out for one of these

I have a H/K 745 and it already allows the user to apply Logic 7 to all sources including hd-dvd
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I have a H/K 745 and it already allows the user to apply Logic 7 to all sources including hd-dvd

Yeah..but those are getting really hard to find...even on the ebay store.

If I could score one of those I would!
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I'm with you on the debate between this and the Emotiva. I just fear that the Emotiva will be barely out of my price range. I'm budgeting around 1000 bucks for a new receiver and speakers. If the Emotiva LMC-2 is the 699 like I expect it to be then that leaves 200 bucks for speakers... that would be a sin to hook up 200 dollar speakers to the LMC-2.

As for the remote I actually really like the look of it. The layout is very simplified and uncluttered. I like the glossy look too. The biggest drawback in my opinion is that it is going to be covered in fingerprints after using it for an hour.

you do have an amp correct? just making sure because you mentioned hooking up the speakers to the LMC-2 (now called the UMC-1), well its just a processor and it does require a amplifier. Im sure you knew this already but im just clarifying.
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Based on what Emotiva is saying of late, it is likely that any new stuff from HK will be out before the LMC-2. It seems as though they has their share of birthing pains with the LMC-1, and the "2", while considerably better in terms of its features, is also more complex. With all the problems HK seems to have been having, you have to wonder how difficult it must be for a small outfit such as Emotiva to bring out a complex product.
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Based on what Emotiva is saying of late, it is likely that any new stuff from HK will be out before the LMC-2. It seems as though they has their share of birthing pains with the LMC-1, and the "2", while considerably better in terms of its features, is also more complex. With all the problems HK seems to have been having, you have to wonder how difficult it must be for a small outfit such as Emotiva to bring out a complex product.

With both of these companies having their fair share of issues, they are the two in the running for me when it comes to a pre-pro.

From what I have read Emotiva gets the edge in customer care.

It is going to be a touch choice for me as I really like the way the new HK's look, and since I have a Emotiva amp having a matching pre/pro will be sweet though.

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Check out the remote control photo above, there is a small slide switch in the lower left corner for main room and Zone II. Now HK provides total discrete IR codes for both, so even through the AVR front panel IR sensor the controls/functions for Zone II are a single button push. I don't know of any AVR below $1000 that has this flexibility. Regarding the new iPod dock, it is very attractive and also works seamlessly for video selections.

Just my $0.02..

I believe my new Yamaha RX-V663 does this. I don't have zone 2 hooked up right now. However, my Harmony remote shows the same functions for Zone1 and for Zone2 with discrete codes for each. Is that what you mean?

The V663 ran $400 even!
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