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Just ordered a Parasound 2250 to power a pair of Polk LSiM 705's.

Pretty solid amp?
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Just ordered a Parasound 2250 to power a pair of Polk LSiM 705's.



Pretty solid amp?
Please report back your impressions!
I went the other way around and bought lsim 705 to mine hinto last weekend

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I went the other way around and bought lsim 705 to mine hinto last weekend

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So first of all, the LSiM's are freaking sick and you're gonna love them. Everything from sound to build quality was shockingly good.

The new amp lands Tuesday - looking forward to seeing how it sounds. Right now I have an Aventage 2080 AVR driving them... which is no slouch... but I have a feeling the new amp is really going to light these things up.
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So first of all, the LSiM's are freaking sick and you're gonna love them
I really hope I will, see my recent post in official polk thread



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To those with an A21, have you managed to get the amp to trigger on using the "audio sensing" option ? If so, what's the secret ?

It's never worked for me and I really need it to work now that I have both a HT pre-amp and a 2-channel pre-amp going thru the A21. My A21 is in the basement. On the plus side, I would get a little more exercise if I have to turn it on and off manually.

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It works on my A21, but I don't like it - it goes to standby without input too fast.
I use 12V trigger.

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Are you using RCA or XLR on the A21 ? I've only used XLR but can't get it to trigger even with the lowest setting (50 mV).

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RCA. I haven't tried XLR.

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I use 12V trigger with XLR and it works perfectly. My A21 turns on and off automatically whenever I turn my JC2 preamp on and off.

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The 12V trigger works fine on my A21 as well. But given there is only one trigger input, the audio sensing turn on option is the better choice if using more than one pre-amp. I may have to purchase a couple of male to female mono cables, one for each pre-amp, and just swap the amp trigger cable back and forth.

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To those with an A21, have you managed to get the amp to trigger on using the "audio sensing" option ? If so, what's the secret ?



It's never worked for me and I really need it to work now that I have both a HT pre-amp and a 2-channel pre-amp going thru the A21. My A21 is in the basement. On the plus side, I would get a little more exercise if I have to turn it on and off manually.


Assuming your 2 channel preamp has HT bypass? If so, does it have a trigger out? If not, how do you switch from Pre/pro to preamp?


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I believe it does have HT bypass. It's a new NAD C658. However, I am not interested in using HT bypass if both pre-amps have to be ON at the same time for the bypass to work. I want to run one pre-amp at a time, though I suspect it might work with the NAD in standby. It also would require RCA connections and I am trying to maintain all XLR for the signal path. I am accomplishing the switch manually with two short pairs of XLR cables coming off each pre-amp and then "daisy chaining" to a longer XLR cable connected to the amp.


I was also considering using a second amp, but then there would have to be a amp/speaker switch in the mix somehow. I even briefly considered connecting the two stereo amps to my front speakers bi-amp terminals (in non bi-amp configuration) but I think this would be dangerous as the powered on amp would backfeed to the powered off amp, especially if the powered off amp was not actually powered off.

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To those with an A21, have you managed to get the amp to trigger on using the "audio sensing" option ? If so, what's the secret ?
It's been a while since I've owned an A 21, but I have three JC 1 monoblocks and two A 23s, all used with the audio sensing option. The JC 1s have two trigger controls, one for trigger level and the other for duration of silence before shut-down; the A 23 has only trigger level. Have you tried adjusting that? The A 21 is fine amp.
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Agreed. A21 is a great amp, but I did notice that the trigger circuitry has been improved on the A21+... which led me to believe that my issue is not unique. It did not bother me too much that audio sensing did not work because the 12V trigger worked fine. But now I realize that the audio sensing trigger is more versatile... if it works. I did try the lowest sensitivity setting (50 mV) but still would not trigger. I suspect it works fine with RCA but not so much with XLR.

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Looking for a replacement for an old 1205A my father has that has all the overload lights on. There is not an authorized repair place in any reasonable amount of distance and shipping would probably not make sense for a unit this old. Would the A52+ be a newer replacement for this? It seems to have a little more power 180 vs 140 per channel but otherwise seems to be very similar.
I'm not familiar with the 1205A, but it sure looks like the A 52 + would be a great replacement. I've been enjoying experimenting watching all sorts of movies with mine. My surround sound has never sounded cleaner/ better, and both the A 52+ and my Denon X8500 barely break out of the 70 degree temperature range even when pushed pretty hard ( ear bleed levels ). And I can easily run the sound beyond reference levels if I want ( and my wife isn't in the room ).

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To those with an A21, have you managed to get the amp to trigger on using the "audio sensing" option ? If so, what's the secret ?

It's never worked for me and I really need it to work now that I have both a HT pre-amp and a 2-channel pre-amp going thru the A21. My A21 is in the basement. On the plus side, I would get a little more exercise if I have to turn it on and off manually.
There is a chance there is something that is damaged or faulty on the auto turn on circuit of your amplifier. I suggest that you call Parasound's Tech department for more info.

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There is a chance there is something that is damaged or faulty on the auto turn on circuit of your amplifier. I suggest that you call Parasound's Tech department for more info.

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Thanks... I found a mono splitter (dual male to single female) and plan to hook up one male end to each of the pre-amps and then the female end to the trigger cable. I think this should work.

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There is a chance there is something that is damaged or faulty on the auto turn on circuit of your amplifier. I suggest that you call Parasound's Tech department for more info.

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Chris,
I realized last night that my idea to use a splitter will not work (or might be dangerous) if I use the mono trigger cable. I would need to use a stereo cable to ensure that the trigger signal from each pre-amp is kept separate. Would you know if using a stereo cable would work to trigger the A21 ? In my past experience, it works on some equipment but not others.

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I realized last night that my idea to use a splitter will not work (or might be dangerous) if I use the mono trigger cable. I would need to use a stereo cable to ensure that the trigger signal from each pre-amp is kept separate. Would you know if using a stereo cable would work to trigger the A21 ? In my past experience, it works on some equipment but not others.


Thanks for the question. I would avoid using this approach with a TRS stereo trigger into your A21. There are a few aspects that could cause issues .

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I realized last night that my idea to use a splitter will not work (or might be dangerous) if I use the mono trigger cable. I would need to use a stereo cable to ensure that the trigger signal from each pre-amp is kept separate. Would you know if using a stereo cable would work to trigger the A21 ? In my past experience, it works on some equipment but not others.


There is no way short of using diodes to split 12V DC signal into unique paths that I am aware. However, you could use a powered trigger expander such as Emotiva’s ET-3.

Edit: Not sure how you are feeding one amp with two different preamps/ prepro without HT bypass but my suggestion above may not help. You just want to turn on your A-21 remotely, correct? So you just need to supply a 12 V DC signal to the amp, does not need to be from a preamp. I remember someone had found a remote power strip and had a 12 V power supply plugged in giving them the ability to operate an amp remotely.

I would still run any plans by Parasound Technical before employing.

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Jim,


You got me all excited with the mention of the Emo trigger module, but alas it does the opposite of what I need. It looks like it can be manually triggered and thus would work for one of the source components. I will stay away from my original plan (using a splitter) based on Chris' comment above. I think it would work right up to the A21 but, given the A21 was designed to be triggered with a mono cable, I believe the 12V would find it's way back from the A21 to the unpowered source device.


My new strategy is to stick with the mono cable from the amp and then use a male to female mono cable on each source component and simply swap the connections before powering on. I'm already swapping XLR cables.
The ultimate solution would be to trade in the A21 for the A21+.

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^ The ultimate solution might be to reconsider your approach. Swapping the cables around frequently really isn't a great long term solution. If nothing else, it's tedious. For the amp trigger, it might just be easier to turn the amp on and off manually than to keep swapping the cables. IMHO a better approach might be to replace the current 2 channel preamp and surround preamp with a single, but better, surround preamp and simplify the system significantly in the process.
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Has anyone compared P6 vs higher class AVR (Anthem MRX 720/1120, Arcam AVR 550/850...) or pre/pro (Anthem AVM 60, Arcam AV860...) as stereo DAC + preamp + bass management or preamp + bass management?

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Hi,

With the risk of getting an answer that is "just buy only Parasound"


I am very satisfied with my ATI amps for HT use, however I use a Parasound JC2-BP preamp for 2 channel listening and find the JC2 with ATI AT4002 a bit harsh and fatigueing to listen to at low to medium volume. I am thinking of changing either the amp or the pre, what are your thoughts? Changing to JC5 amp cos parasound and ATI just don't mate well?...



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With the risk of getting an answer that is "just buy only Parasound"


I am very satisfied with my ATI amps for HT use, however I use a Parasound JC2-BP preamp for 2 channel listening and find the JC2 with ATI AT4002 a bit harsh and fatigueing to listen to at low to medium volume. I am thinking of changing either the amp or the pre, what are your thoughts? Changing to JC5 amp cos parasound and ATI just don't mate well?...
The ATI Signature amps are excellent amps, as are the Parasound amps and I've heard only good things about the JC2-BP. I'd be more inclined to believe that your speakers are responsible for your dissatisfaction than the amps or preamp as they're by far the most important factor here.
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Yes, it could be your speakers. But it could also be a bad match between your amp and preamp. I have the JC2-BP matched with the Parasound Halo A21 for 2-channel, and it is incredible. I would switch out either the amp or preamp to match the brand (Parasound or ATI) from a local place that lets you try it out at home.

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Yes, it could be your speakers. But it could also be a bad match between your amp and preamp. I have the JC2-BP matched with the Parasound Halo A21 for 2-channel, and it is incredible. I would switch out either the amp or preamp to match the brand (Parasound or ATI) from a local place that lets you try it out at home.
I've used my JC 2 BP with A 21s and agree the sound is excellent. I now use the JC 2 BP with JC 1 monoblocks that really make my KEF Ref 107/2s sing down to a usable 20 Hz to portray that subtle vibration you feel at a live organ recital when a large pipe is invoked.
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I've used my JC 2 BP with A 21s and agree the sound is excellent. I now use the JC 2 BP with JC 1 monoblocks that really make my KEF Ref 107/2s sing down to a usable 20 Hz to portray that subtle vibration you feel at a live organ recital when a large pipe is invoked.
Thanks guys! Not too many options to try different preamps/amp combinations in my heck of the woods. ATI does not yet have a (HT)preamp, so that combo is not really an option. Was hoping someone would have had some input on ATI ammps with Parasound preamp experiences. Maybe it is the source...Cambridge Audio 851N, cos even with the AV7702 in pure direct and cambridge audio streamer it is pretty "harsh", but not as clear in imaging and soundstage as the JC2.



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Oh hey, my P6 finally arrived! That only took... a long time. Apparently it has sold really, really well.

I won’t make any sound quality comments, but the ergonomics are great. Controls feel good, and the volume display isn’t overly bright, at least when it’s dimmed. I really like the silver color, which has a bit of a gold tint to it. Very classy. So far I’ve just been casually listening to some new stuff, since I havent had a working system for the last few months. I’ll do some more serious listening this weekend.

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I'm not familiar with the 1205A, but it sure looks like the A 52 + would be a great replacement. I've been enjoying experimenting watching all sorts of movies with mine. My surround sound has never sounded cleaner/ better, and both the A 52+ and my Denon X8500 barely break out of the 70 degree temperature range even when pushed pretty hard ( ear bleed levels ). And I can easily run the sound beyond reference levels if I want ( and my wife isn't in the room ).
The A52+ seems to be a very nice amp, after adding two more atmos speakers two my system I was thinking about adding the 52+ to my system to take some of the load off my receiver but not sure if I can configure the amp with my receiver.
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