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The A52+ seems to be a very nice amp, after adding two more atmos speakers two my system I was thinking about adding the 52+ to my system to take some of the load off my receiver but not sure if I can configure the amp with my receiver.


What receiver? Assuming it has preamp outs.


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What receiver? Assuming it has preamp outs.


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I have a Yamaha 3060 but the manual isn't very clear when it comes to adding external amps. I have a two channel amp running my towers.I know you can use a two channel amp for the front towers or rear presence. I would like to ad a five channel amp if possible.
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I have a Yamaha 3060 but the manual isn't very clear when it comes to adding external amps. I have a two channel amp running my towers.I know you can use a two channel amp for the front towers or rear presence. I would like to ad a five channel amp if possible.


I don’t see any issues. See page 40 of the manual. Just be sure not to hook up speakers to any channels that use the pre outs.


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I wasn't sure if I would have to change the amp assign or just hook the amp up to the pre outs.
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Sensitivity Switch question

I have the a21. To make the audio turn on feature work at lower audio levels, should I be turning the dial counter clockwise towards the 12 value?

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I have the a21. To make the audio turn on feature work at lower audio levels, should I be turning the dial counter clockwise towards the 12 value?
The dial is a sensitivity dial. full counter clockwise is at its most sensitive position. This will trigger the amp on with a lower signal. Sometimes if there are spikes in the AC from other appliances turning on or off it can false trigger the amp to turn itself on when no audio signal is present. If this is the case then using the 12V trigger is recommended. In most scenarios 12V triggers are more dependable then any type of audio sensing triggers.

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I have the a21. To make the audio turn on feature work at lower audio levels, should I be turning the dial counter clockwise towards the 12 value?


I am running a Denon but recently bought the A21.

Yes, crank the dials on the back to the maximum position. (It should actually say, “THX level” or something like that.

When I first bought the A21 and hooked it up, I was very disappointed as I didn’t notice anything and figured that I did something wrong.

Once I cranked the dials up, things changed for the better.

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He's not talking about the gain - he's talking about auto turn on sensitivity.
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I have the a21. To make the audio turn on feature work at lower audio levels, should I be turning the dial counter clockwise towards the 12 value?
For audio trigger, the A 21 manual recommends starting at 12 o'clock, making sure the switch is in the up position. I suspect counter clockwise may be less sensitive, clockwise more sensitive, but I've never tried moving from top dead center on my previous A 21 or current JC 1s.
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Hi

I am wondering what amp is considered better the a23 or the 2250v2? They are similarly priced and am not sure. Thanks


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For audio trigger, the A 21 manual recommends starting at 12 o'clock, making sure the switch is in the up position. I suspect counter clockwise may be less sensitive, clockwise more sensitive, but I've never tried moving from top dead center on my previous A 21 or current JC 1s.
Just to clarify, there have been postings that are talking about 2 different topics.

1.Auto turn on by audio sensing and the sensitivity control.

1. The auto turn on by audio sensing. The sensitivity control is at its most sensitive position when turned fully counter clockwise. This means a lower volume (or mV) signal will trigger the amp to turn on.


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2. Input attenuation controls labeled "gain" on the rear panel.

2. The rear panel channel input attenuators. or gain controls on the Halo A21 are labeled THX Reference at the max or fully clockwise position.


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Need some advice on amp upgrade advice for my dolby atmos heights. Setup is in my signature

I am currently using an old Krell KAV-500 and i am not sure how long it is going to last. My issue with the Krell is that it runs extremely hot, more than my A21 even when not in use. I am not sure i want to invest another $600 in sending it for servicing.

Here are my options
1) Get an A51 and migrate the A52+ to handle the heights (Will need to add additional cooling as i have heard the A51 does run warm).
2) Get another A52+
3) Get 2 x A23+
4) Do nothing until something happens to the Krell

I am looking for the best option in terms on value and at the moment leaning towards #2 or #3 though i don't want to look away from #1 .

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Looking for advice; Hint6 or P6/A23+ combo for a 2 channel La Scala II setup? I've read some reviews where people think the separates preformed better even though the two are essentially the same.
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The A-23+ will have adjustable gain which, with the high sensitivity of the La Scalas, might be worthwhile.

I went with the separates myself, largely to have future flexibility if I ever chose to upgrade. I got the amp 2 days ago, and so far the combo has been wonderful.
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Can anyone tell me the differences between the a23 and the 2250v2 new classic?


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The A23 is part of Parasound’s higher-end Halo line; where the 2250v2 is part of their more reasonably priced New Classic series. The A23 has around half as much power as the 2250... that’s why you are seeing them priced approximately the same.

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I recently bought a Parasound HCA 1500A 2 Ch amp that is paired with my Denon x4200 receiver (Front L,R towers are connected to the Parasound).Yesterday I did A/B testing with movies and music and I could not hear a difference. Is there something I am missing or could it be that both amps are about the same?

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The A23 is part of Parasound’s higher-end Halo line; where the 2250v2 is part of their more reasonably priced New Classic series. The A23 has around half as much power as the 2250... that’s why you are seeing them priced approximately the same.


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I recently bought a Parasound HCA 1500A 2 Ch amp that is paired with my Denon x4200 receiver (Front L,R towers are connected to the Parasound).Yesterday I did A/B testing with movies and music and I could not hear a difference. Is there something I am missing or could it be that both amps are about the same?


I am not familiar with the HCA1500A but IMO preamp or processor has a bigger impact than amps on reasonable to drive speakers. In both cases, your Denon is acting as prepro ahead of either the Parasound amp or internal Denon amps. The other unknown is the preout section of the Denon.
What are your speakers and configuration? Off loading your Denon’s power supply might help on multichannel music. Have you tried that?


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I am not familiar with the HCA1500A but IMO preamp or processor has a bigger impact than amps on reasonable to drive speakers. In both cases, your Denon is acting as prepro ahead of either the Parasound amp or internal Denon amps. The other unknown is the preout section of the Denon.
What are your speakers and configuration? Off loading your Denon’s power supply might help on multichannel music. Have you tried that?


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I have SVS Prime towers crossed at 80hz. Also how do I off load the Denon power supply?

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Using the outbd power amp takes burden off the AVR's power supply. I agree with Jim... It really depends a lot on the capability of your Denon AVR's pre-out section. You should be able to hear better dynamics, particularly with multi-channel sources and with difficult to drive speakers. And if it is a significant upgrade in amplification, you should also hear better resolution/detail.

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The A23 is part of Parasound’s higher-end Halo line; where the 2250v2 is part of their more reasonably priced New Classic series. The A23 has around half as much power as the 2250... that’s why you are seeing them priced approximately the same.


Would the a23 still sound better even though it has higher thd and less wpc?


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Using the outbd power amp takes burden off the AVR's power supply. I agree with Jim... It really depends a lot on the capability of your Denon AVR's pre-out section. You should be able to hear better dynamics, particularly with multi-channel sources and with difficult to drive speakers. And if it is a significant upgrade in amplification, you should also hear better resolution/detail.
I'll listen in multch between amps and see if I can tell.

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Using the outbd power amp takes burden off the AVR's power supply. I agree with Jim... It really depends a lot on the capability of your Denon AVR's pre-out section. You should be able to hear better dynamics, particularly with multi-channel sources and with difficult to drive speakers. And if it is a significant upgrade in amplification, you should also hear better resolution/detail.
Well I think I know why I dont hear a difference from my parasound hca 1500a 2ch amp and x4200. The LR do not come on while connected to the x4200. I'm not sure how long it's been like this but a week ago it was working. I know this because my kids watched Spongebob in stereo with the x4200.

This explains why I don't hear the difference. All this time while watching in atmos and going back and forth between amps it disguised the LR. The high levels created a phantom.

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Well I think I know why I dont hear a difference from my parasound hca 1500a 2ch amp and x4200. The LR do not come on while connected to the x4200. I'm not sure how long it's been like this but a week ago it was working. I know this because my kids watched Spongebob in stereo with the x4200.

This explains why I don't hear the difference. All this time while watching in atmos and going back and forth between amps it disguised the LR. The high levels created a phantom.

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Just to be certain you connect your left and right mains to either the Denon or Parasound and when connected to the Denon speaker terminals the RCAs to the 1500 are removed. And all power is off during switch outs. Assume the Parasound is set to manual on/off and not 12V trigger (or audio sensing if it has that). My A31 is set for 12 V trigger.
Edit: This was assuming you were doing AB comparisons with Denon alone vs with Parasound added.

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Just to be certain you connect your left and right mains to either the Denon or Parasound and when connected to the Denon speaker terminals the RCAs to the 1500 are removed. And all power is off during switch outs. Assume the Parasound is set to manual on/off and not 12V trigger (or audio sensing if it has that). My A31 is set for 12 V trigger.
Edit: This was assuming you were doing AB comparisons with Denon alone vs with Parasound added.

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Yes the comparison was with Denon alone. With all units off I disconnected the speakers from the Parasound and connected them to the LR of the Denon and played Stereo and no sound. I even tried this with different inputs like BD, TV and such.
I then turned the Denon off and reconnected the speakers to the Parasound and turned on the Denon then the Parasound came on with the 12v trigger and I got sound in Stereo this time.
How often can a speaker terminal go bad?

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Yes the comparison was with Denon alone. With all units off I disconnected the speakers from the Parasound and connected them to the LR of the Denon and played Stereo and no sound. I even tried this with different inputs like BD, TV and such.
I then turned the Denon off and reconnected the speakers to the Parasound and turned on the Denon then the Parasound came on with the 12v trigger and I got sound in Stereo this time.
How often can a speaker terminal go bad?


Assume there is a Denon thread for the X4200 - it may include multiple models. Try posting there. Batpig is the Forum’s expert on Denon receivers and likely will see it. I don’t know if this is an amp assign issue or your L&R internal amps are bad.


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Assume there is a Denon thread for the X4200 - it may include multiple models. Try posting there. Batpig is the Forum’s expert on Denon receivers and likely will see it. I don’t know if this is an amp assign issue or your L&R internal amps are bad.


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I'll do that. I'll check again without the rca connected to the parasound. I'm not sure if I did that but either way I don't see why the rca would keep the denon from having audio because the parasound was off and the speakers were connected to the denon.

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Assume there is a Denon thread for the X4200 - it may include multiple models. Try posting there. Batpig is the Forum’s expert on Denon receivers and likely will see it. I don’t know if this is an amp assign issue or your L&R internal amps are bad.


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I just found out the amp assign was off. Changed it and receiver has sound in stereo. Having said that.
Does anyone know how come I'm getting more bass in stereo mode from my denon receiver vs the parasound hca 1500a? The crossovers are the same and subs are off.

Edit: got the bass back. -/+ cables were crossed.

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Hi,


I just purchased a 2250 v2 and I have some questions maybe someone here can answer.
What, in electrical terms, does the speaker load switch actually do?
Does it limit current somehow in the 2 ohm position?
Does it change bias in some way?
Why does this switch even exist? I have never owned a piece of equipment with such a switch.


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