Don't see it anywhere in the specs... Can the Pro kit be used with X4000?

Both the X3000 and X4000 should be Pro kit capable models as are their predecessors.

As is the predecessor of the 1513, the 1312. The 1513 has been replaced by the E200; however, Denon likely still has stock available on both the 1312 and the 1513 and will delist them as soon as they are out of inventory.

So the equal to the 2313ci is the x3000 model? Any big difference here?
I only have 3 channel, 2 front polk tower r 40 and polk center channel, with 52 inch Toshiba

Any idea which authorized dealers do that? Which ones should I keep my eye on?

I posted the new features concerning the AVR-X3000 vs AVR-2313 on post # 44. The Denon.eu data sheet in PDF is linked on the same post.

Suggest you buy speakers 1st.

See some of the online dealers represented here. Amazon is not one of them that deals. Contacting AVS Science reps might be beneficial. You'll need to call around and get some price quotes when the new models are available.

Wait, my 3313 is pro kit capable?

Yes both the AVR-2313CI and AVR-3313CI are spec'ed Audyssey Pro ready.

Correct. Also the case with the 2312CI and 3312CI, although you're much better served upgrading to an XT32 model (eg. 4311CI or new X4000) than using the Pro Kit on an XT model.

Thanks JohnAV!

True. XT does make my 7 channels and HSU sub sound well. It surely dialed in the sub since I was coming from an Onkyo tx-nr609 with 2eq. I'm in the "damn I bought my 3313 in January boat." But I really like it and it performs well. An X4000 would mean money on an amp, two more speakers. Say an emotiva xpa 5 and a couple studio monitors (definitive technology to match my other speakers) would be another 1000 or more. Although I could use like a cheaper crown amp. Either way more money and I'm not sure I want to do that at this point since I have built my current setup since last fall. But in the future I would like to run dual subs, XT 32, and true 11 channel DSX.

Why didn't they allow the x4000 to use 11 channels with amps? It can't be that much more costly right? Or is it rather they have to draw the line somewhere for the price tag of 1299 and save some luster for future or possibly an x5000? I did read batpig talking about build quality being lesser since its built in china rather than Japan. That's something I will watch considering I'm kinda a quality nerd, I dislike cheap products and usually go for mid/upper models for these reasons. Or obviously other brands. By this I don't mean they are pieces of crap, just that I would monitor the reports on the forums.

The discontinued 4311CI and new 4520CI are both capable of 11CH support.

Yes I am aware of that. I was just thinking out loud. . I'm sure there is some internal hardware that is more expensive to make the X4000 11channel capable. From my uneducated perspective it seems like it wouldn't take much though.

I think Denon had to make some decisions based upon cost, marketing, etc. There will always be features that someone wishes were present, but aren't. No sense wondering about them. They aren't there.

 

I can't wait for my X4000 to arrive. Will replace my 4308.

 

Regarding building products in China. Well, just because it's China, doesn't mean bad quality. I'm very happy with my MacBook Pro Retina, MacBook Air, and the various iMacs I've had. I can't imagine them being any better if they were built in another country. I think bad build quality can come out of any country. Look at some of the problems the high end Nikons have had regarding build quality that were put together is Japan. 

Good points

Here is the Denon Electronics (USA), LLC. data sheet pdf for the AVR-X4000

It has quite a bit more information. For comparison purposes to the previous model here's the data sheet against the AVR-3313CI.

Other Denon Electronics (USA), LLC. data sheets available to look at the new line up.

data sheet AVR-X1000
data sheet AVR-X2000
data sheet AVR-X3000

Previous released
data sheet AVR-X4520

I plan on keeping my Polk R40's

I meant to take you to 5.1, then 7.1...newegg has some good special on Polks

Fellas how does this new Sony stack up to the X2000. I was really jazzed about that Denon
but this was just announced
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&productId=8198552921666556859&langId=-1&k_id=09458ffa-73ec-7e88-5aef-00000c785983&XID=O:STRDN1040:dg_gglpla&kpid=8198552921666556859&XID=O:strdn1040:dg_gglsrch:pla&cagpspn=pla#features

Sony STR-DN1040 is not that great if going by images and specifications. They advertise it is capable of 165W x 7 @ 8 ohms 1kHz 0.9% THD 1ch. driven, but it only consumes 240 watts AC max. Also note the power cord is non-replaceable it goes into the chassis.

The Denon AVR-X2000 consumes 500 watts AC max and offers Audyssey MultEQ XT and Audyssey Dynamic EQ.

IMHO Sony STR-DN1040 not even worth considering for $599.

I'd wait for the bench tests...as we all know most any mainstream receiver won't output its rated power but the DN1030 still output 94W x 5 and 80W x 4 (albeit at 1kHz) and it weighs in at less than 20lbs. The DN1040 weighs about the same and its "165W" rating is, in true hilarious fashion, with ONE channel driven...at 6 Ohms (and Sony is not the only one doing this 6 Ohm business these days either). So yeah it's definitely not going to do 165Wx7, but neither are many other receivers in the same class, rated for 1xxWx7. If the DN1030 is any indication of the 1040's performance then it will still have solid power in this class. The Denon 2313 tested with similar results for power.
And Sony has always offered it's own proprietary alternative to Audyssey, just because it's not branded/royaltied doesn't mean it's terrible. Given the DN1030 sold as low as $400, I'm betting the MSRP of the DN1040 is going to be $100-200 less, street price. But the Denon does have some different features like serial control, for example. I wouldn't say right away the DN1040 is not competent, and its price point is probably going to be a bit less than MSRP, a few months after release.

Thanks fellas! CNET seems pretty impressed with Sonys offerings.
The GUI looks decent on the 1040.
http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/sony-str-dn840/4505-6466_7-35734384.html

I've waited years to upgrade so I'm just doing my home work before I pull the trigger.
Im upgrading pretty much everything this year for the PS4 and new Xbox.

I'm not sold on non ES Sony AVR's compared to Denon's or other well known brands, especially against build quality. Yes I meant that for $599 its not a good deal, as they are typically discounted to a lower price point.

Will 3313 be good upgrade for 3808ci?

^^
The new X4000 that replaces the 3313CI would be a better upgrade.

Yes, the x4000 is intriguing. but you can pick up a 3313 for 799 from Crutchfield right now.

I have the 3311 adn the X4000 would be nice, but I'm not sure it's warranted for me. I do use audyssey XT and the audyssey upgrade would be nice. I wonder if the audyssey upgrade is worth it given I run a two channel system with supercharged songtowers w/o a sub?

If you don't have a sub then the Audyssey upgrade is even more valuable, since the greatest area of improvement from XT to XT32 is the filter resolution on the satellite channels -- it jumps from 16x to 512x, which is where the "32" name comes from as the filters have 32x the resolution. The extra resolution (plus an apparent shift in philosophy) means that XT32 is able to focus much more effectively on the bass frequencies on the non-sub speakers, so there's a good chance you would hear a distinct audible improvement in the bass smoothness and overall clarity.

It's worth pointing out that at least two of those "changes" aren't really. The 2113 already has the fourth bullet (save one extra HDMI input) and the fifth (Zone 2 pre-outs). I don't know what the third bullet means.

As usual it's worth not trusting the marketing specs and instead waiting for the manuals to be released so JD, myself and others can study them for real differences.

It's also a good idea to compare the photos of the back panels. In that sense, there appears to be only minimal difference... just the new horizontal, color-coded speaker terminals, that extra HDMI input, the rebirth of the AM antenna, but the disappearance of the basic composite (yellow) monitor output.

The other changes can be assumed to be the same as the general modifications that apply to all models -- e.g., the assignability of analog (composite) inputs, the disconnect of HDMI Standby Passthrough functionality from HDM-CEC, and the ability to "mix" an HDMI video source with a Network audio stream (e.g. so you can stream Pandora or Airplay audio while watching the video from your cable box). Plus there appears to be improvements to the multizone functionality, as JD has noted that the "All Zone Stereo" feature of the 4520 has trickled down to the X-Series.