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post #61 of 1098 Old 06-27-2013, 10:33 AM
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I've been searching for a new receiver for a while now. While I have a proper 7.1 setup at my parents home (full on theater) in my condo I currently have a 2.1 setup using a Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V1. The amp has been great so far, but 'receiver' wise it's not really up to spec. The best thing I like about it is size, and putting a full size receiver in it's place would just look funny. I've been looking at the Cambridge lines of receivers, but they are slightly pricey, and I haven't been able to find a slim receiver that would fit the bill..... till now.

While the 1604 is a bit overkill for the 2.1 setup I currently have, I know I'll keep it around for a long time and won't need to upgrade should my surround size increase. We watch movies every so often, and listen to music a lot. Having the internet capabilities would be great (currently I am running a HDMI cable from my computer to the TV.

That being said, worth while upgrade? Sound wise, would I see more going to the newer receiver? TIA!
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Sound-wise, the 1604 should be better than Cambridge's offerings, since it provides Audyssey MultEQ. When properly calibrated, room equalization can provide a significant improvement in what you hear. The instructions in the manual leave out a lot, so be sure to read through the Audyssey FAQ and 101 at https://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21782993

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Thanks for the space to talk about the receiver!

I got this receiver a few months ago and I love it!

I'm upgrading my system one piece at a time and this was the second piece (first piece was the sony bluray). I watch a lot of movies and a fare bit of television. I really enjoy the 7.1 sound, but it isn't necessary in my smaller living room. I had some issues with connecting the speakers and suggest others use the bannana clips if they can. Because I have older speakers I did have to do a fair bit of tweeking with the speaker settings to get the sound balance I wanted, including running the left and right front speakers through the subwoofer. Using the RCA cable subwoofer output on the back of the receiver would just overpower and distort my old KLH sub. So I ran the front left and right fronts through the sub and turned the receiver sub setting off. It sounds pretty good now. I can now run all my components through the receiver's HDMI inputs, including my Wii (with a special Wii to HDMI converter).

I'll take any suggestions on new speakers anyone may have too! I'm on a modest budget and looking at around the $200 - $600 range. I've been looking at the Energy Take Classics, but they only sell them as a 5.1 package so I'd have to purchase a separate rear channel speaker.

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Why not just stick with the 5.1 setup? Otherwise, you can always add one or two more Energy Take speakers.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Speaker-Single-Black/dp/B000VR1TNE
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Does the 1604 have 7.1 pre-outs? Does the 1504 have 5.1 pre-outs?
Do either of them also have multi channel analog connects?

With regards to the 1604 versus 1504, let's say that I only have a 5.1 setup with no plans on upgrading to 7.1, and only plan to have a TV and Bluray player hooked up to it, and perhaps an external amp, would the 1504 perform as good as the 1604?
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NR models (1504 and 1604 for 2013) only include 2.1 pre-outs, rather you would have to upgrade to the SR series for both 7.1 pre-outs and 7.1 multi-analog inputs (eg. SR5008). Yes, the 1504 should perform as well as the 1604 as both use Audyssey MultEQ.
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Why not just stick with the 5.1 setup? Otherwise, you can always add one or two more Energy Take speakers.


The Classics only come in a 5.1 set. Of course I can purchase any rear channel speaker separate or maybe run 5.1 and run a separate set of speakers to my kitchen as Zone 2. I've been looking at all options and have yet to make up my mind. I'm leaning towards keeping the 7.1 setup though.
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Just bought the NR1604. Setup as stereo only at the moment. More speakers later.

I live in Switzerland but am originally from the UK so I'd like to change my region to the UK. For example, the streaming radio stations default to Switzerland. Anyone know how this could be changed? There's nothing obvious in the manuals or the menu that I can see.

So far I quite like it, with more speakers I may like it more. It's having to live up to a tough previous sound as I've just swapped this for my Naim Nait. Sound is not quite as rich as with the Naim. We'll see how I get on.

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Hello. Does anyone know how to get all channel stereo from a 2 channel source (USB) on this receiver? I cannot find it in the manual. Thanks.
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No pre-outs on NR-1604 if you mean you would want to use the NR-1604 as a pre-amp hooked up to another amp down the road. I have the NR-1604 in a 5.1 set up with no plans to go to 7.1. So I have bi-amped the front stereo speakers (dual binding posts on my KEF Q1s). You can do this via the receiver's setup menu. It makes a noticeable performance difference and you are using all the amplification on tap from the NR-1604...instead of leaving 2 channels dormant if you are only doing a 5.1 setup.
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Hello. Does anyone know how to get all channel stereo from a 2 channel source (USB) on this receiver? I cannot find it in the manual. Thanks.

Sure. Press MOVIE on the remote and select Multi CH Stereo. smile.gif

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No pre-outs on NR-1604 if you mean you would want to use the NR-1604 as a pre-amp hooked up to another amp down the road. I have the NR-1604 in a 5.1 set up with no plans to go to 7.1. So I have bi-amped the front stereo speakers (dual binding posts on my KEF Q1s). You can do this via the receiver's setup menu. It makes a noticeable performance difference and you are using all the amplification on tap from the NR-1604...instead of leaving 2 channels dormant if you are only doing a 5.1 setup.

The 1604 has 2.1 pre-outs. Note also that as there is only a single power supply in the AVR, there would be no appreciable gain in power by using the bi-amp setting.
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Thanks so much!
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Thanks for the space to talk about the receiver!
I'll take any suggestions on new speakers anyone may have too! I'm on a modest budget and looking at around the $200 - $600 range. I've been looking at the Energy Take Classics, but they only sell them as a 5.1 package so I'd have to purchase a separate rear channel speaker.

Thanks!

I would be inclined to use the Energy for the 7.1 surround and get a set of say Klipsch Reference RF-52 or RF-42 for the front.
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch/pages/2529739011/ref=ams_dp_byline_2529739011

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How do you guys think the NR-1504 and NR-1604 would work to power some Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1's in a 5.1 configuration, with an outboard amp for the front left and right speakers versus an older Yamaha RX-V663? Would the Marantz options be better because of better quality DAC's and better quality dsp chips? I realize that many prefer Audyssey compared to Yamaha's YPAO, but,l for the sake of sound quality with no regards to each units room correction software, how would these two sound compared to one anothere?
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The 1604 has 2.1 pre-outs. Note also that as there is only a single power supply in the AVR, there would be no appreciable gain in power by using the bi-amp setting.

Agreed on 2.1 pre-out.

Re Bi-amping give it a shot...I think you'll notice a lot more than just a psychological gain in power output to the R And L front speakers. I'm Not claiming to be the final authority on the subject...but I also note the Marantz page talks about "all 7 power amplifier channels feature identical circuitry that includes discrete high power output devices..."
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How do you guys think the NR-1504 and NR-1604 would work to power some Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1's in a 5.1 configuration, with an outboard amp for the front left and right speakers versus an older Yamaha RX-V663? Would the Marantz options be better because of better quality DAC's and better quality dsp chips? I realize that many prefer Audyssey compared to Yamaha's YPAO, but,l for the sake of sound quality with no regards to each units room correction software, how would these two sound compared to one anothere?

More so than the DACs would be Audyssey MultEQ. The Sierra 1's are not very efficient speakers but are 8-ohm so either model would not have a problem with them, and especially not with an external amp.
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Hi, I'm looking to by the NR1604 so all the comments have been very helpful. I just have a couple of uncertainties:

- I've got an Anthony Gallo Micro 5.1 set up. Would the 50w per channel be enough? I'm thinking it'll be fine but any advice would be great.

- I've currently got the SR5003 I bought 4 years ago. I'm upgrading for the Network Airplay, etc. In terms of sound quality, would this newer model be better in terms of audio quality than the bigger SR5003 from a few years back? I wouldn't want to upgrade for the Airplay and realise that the previous sound was better.

- I'm considering the NR1603 but I'm worried about no 4K passthrough. Is that still way off because there is a major price difference in Australia on the two models right now.

- Is Audessey MultEq very different to Eq XT? It'd be great if the new system sounded better than what I've got.

- Finally, I've just bought 2 Orb audio satellites for a back room to run as zone 2. Does anyone have any thoughts/advice on how this works with a zone 2 setup and if there's any advantage between the NR1603 and 1604 in terms of zone 2 operation.

Thanks very much for any assistance.
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As long as they are 8-ohm and fairly efficient (ie. > 87db), 50W would be more than sufficient in that on average an 87db/8-ohm speaker draws < 5W/CH even at reference level volume. The 5003, 1603 and 1604 all use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ so they should sound fairly similar. Although 4k is likely still 5 years off from being main stream, the 1604 adds Zone 2 pre-outs should you want to run a 7.1 setup in the main zone and also features "All Zone Stereo" in which you would be able to pass the same HDMI source playing in the main zone to Zone 2 as well whereas on the 1603 you would have to also connect an analog cable from the HDMI source in order to pass the audio to Zone 2. If you don't require these Zone 2 features, then the 1603 should serve you just as well. Audyssey MultEQ XT would be a slight step up in audio quality; however is only featured on the SR models.
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As long as they are 8-ohm and fairly efficient (ie. > 87db), 50W would be more than sufficient in that on average an 87db/8-ohm speaker draws < 5W/CH even at reference level volume. The 5003, 1603 and 1604 all use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ so they should sound fairly similar. Although 4k is likely still 5 years off from being main stream, the 1604 adds Zone 2 pre-outs should you want to run a 7.1 setup in the main zone and also features "All Zone Stereo" in which you would be able to pass the same HDMI source playing in the main zone to Zone 2 as well whereas on the 1603 you would have to also connect an analog cable from the HDMI source in order to pass the audio to Zone 2. If you don't require these Zone 2 features, then the 1603 should serve you just as well. Audyssey MultEQ XT would be a slight step up in audio quality; however is only featured on the SR models.

Thanks very much for this response, it's very informative. All zone stereo sounds like what I'm after. What if I wanted to just listen to audio in zone 2 on the 1604? Could I just stream a song from my IPad straight to zone 2 only by choosing zone 2 on the receiver? Am I right that the analogue requirement for zone 2 wouldn't apply here because I'd be streaming straight through the receiver?

I manually set up the speakers on my current set up because I felt it sounded better, measuring the distance from the seated position. Is the automated speaker set up the only thing that Audyssey does or does it control the quality of the audio of the receiver itself?

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Hello. I'm new here and I'm a bit ignorant about most of the topics discussed on the AV forums, but I'm getting better. Maybe I'll give you some background so you better understand my questions. I had lower end receivers in the past (sony, onkyo, sub $400 models) and never paid that much attention to audio quality. This is probably because I never had a dedicated HT/listening room. Currently I'm looking for a new system for a new room. My budget is limited buy I want to get something a bit better this time. Let's say $650 is the most I'm willing to spend for a receiver at the moment. I know I won't get the super high end stuff with this money but that's where I'm at.

While surround is important to me I don't care that much about it, but I want my music to sound good. My split will be probably around 50/50 for movies and music. I'll probably only use 5.1 for movies even though most new receivers are 7.1+. I did some research and denon x2000 seems to fit my needs. Then I started reading articles about how AV receivers are not too great with stereo processing and I started questioning the quality of stereo output in denon, even though denons are supposedely some of the better sounding ones. People suggest linking separate stereo receivers and what not. Sounds complicated to me. Then I noticed NR1604. I've read claims that marantz sound better than denon.

I never listened to music on high-end equipment and honestly I'm not sure if could tell the difference or if it would really matter that much to me. What I like about NR1604 is that it has pre-outs for front speakers. If I understand correctly, I could hook it up to a dedicated stereo amp in the future if somehow I wasn't happy with the stereo quality of the receiver. Denon x2000 doesn't seem to offer that option.

My questions:

Should I forget about separate stereo amps and just use receiver for music? I like quality but maybe for me it's a case of diminishing returns when thinking about linking separate stereo equipment. Does the type of music matter? For me it's mostly rock/electronica. I was never too concerned with stereo quality, so should I be now? Is there really that much difference or is it more subtle? Maybe I don't need to include extra pre-outs of NR1604 in my equation.

If marantz NR1604 indeed sounds better that denon X2000, should I be concerned with the wattage reported for both units? I know it's usually apples and oranges, but NR1604 repors 50W and denon x2000 reports 95W. My speakers are Dana 630i (86bd sensitivity) for fron and 630iLCR for center. I don't want to end up with a system that is under-powered, but I'm not planning to listen at deafening levels either. Does the room size matter in this case? Mine is about 12ft x 16ft.

Does NR1604 offer something like video select in denon? It's not critical to me, but I see that I could use it occasionally.

I someone tells me that stereo is brilliant out of NR1604 and that 50w per channel is more than enough, then I'll probably settle for this unit. I like the large look of denon, but I could live with this slim marantz if it performs better.

Thank you for any insights and sorry for long post.
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Thanks very much for this response, it's very informative. All zone stereo sounds like what I'm after. What if I wanted to just listen to audio in zone 2 on the 1604? Could I just stream a song from my IPad straight to zone 2 only by choosing zone 2 on the receiver? Am I right that the analogue requirement for zone 2 wouldn't apply here because I'd be streaming straight through the receiver?

I manually set up the speakers on my current set up because I felt it sounded better, measuring the distance from the seated position. Is the automated speaker set up the only thing that Audyssey does or does it control the quality of the audio of the receiver itself?

Thanks again.

Yes, the AVR will pass on board sources (eg. Airplay, internet radio stations, tuner) to Zone 2, although when using Airplay on Zone 2, it will hijack the main zone audio for a moment until it starts up. Audyssey actually EQ's the speakers and subwoofer while the AVR itself sets the distance, phase, size, and volume.
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Hello. I'm new here and I'm a bit ignorant about most of the topics discussed on the AV forums, but I'm getting better. Maybe I'll give you some background so you better understand my questions. I had lower end receivers in the past (sony, onkyo, sub $400 models) and never paid that much attention to audio quality. This is probably because I never had a dedicated HT/listening room. Currently I'm looking for a new system for a new room. My budget is limited buy I want to get something a bit better this time. Let's say $650 is the most I'm willing to spend for a receiver at the moment. I know I won't get the super high end stuff with this money but that's where I'm at.

While surround is important to me I don't care that much about it, but I want my music to sound good. My split will be probably around 50/50 for movies and music. I'll probably only use 5.1 for movies even though most new receivers are 7.1+. I did some research and denon x2000 seems to fit my needs. Then I started reading articles about how AV receivers are not too great with stereo processing and I started questioning the quality of stereo output in denon, even though denons are supposedely some of the better sounding ones. People suggest linking separate stereo receivers and what not. Sounds complicated to me. Then I noticed NR1604. I've read claims that marantz sound better than denon.

I never listened to music on high-end equipment and honestly I'm not sure if could tell the difference or if it would really matter that much to me. What I like about NR1604 is that it has pre-outs for front speakers. If I understand correctly, I could hook it up to a dedicated stereo amp in the future if somehow I wasn't happy with the stereo quality of the receiver. Denon x2000 doesn't seem to offer that option.

My questions:

Should I forget about separate stereo amps and just use receiver for music? I like quality but maybe for me it's a case of diminishing returns when thinking about linking separate stereo equipment. Does the type of music matter? For me it's mostly rock/electronica. I was never too concerned with stereo quality, so should I be now? Is there really that much difference or is it more subtle? Maybe I don't need to include extra pre-outs of NR1604 in my equation.

If marantz NR1604 indeed sounds better that denon X2000, should I be concerned with the wattage reported for both units? I know it's usually apples and oranges, but NR1604 repors 50W and denon x2000 reports 95W. My speakers are Dana 630i (86bd sensitivity) for fron and 630iLCR for center. I don't want to end up with a system that is under-powered, but I'm not planning to listen at deafening levels either. Does the room size matter in this case? Mine is about 12ft x 16ft.

Does NR1604 offer something like video select in denon? It's not critical to me, but I see that I could use it occasionally.

I someone tells me that stereo is brilliant out of NR1604 and that 50w per channel is more than enough, then I'll probably settle for this unit. I like the large look of denon, but I could live with this slim marantz if it performs better.

Thank you for any insights and sorry for long post.

The X2000 will sound better as it uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT, although as you noted, does not feature main zone pre-outs. In your size room and average listening levels, you likely won't need an external amp as the 1604 should be plenty. Yes, the 1604 has the same Video Select feature as does the X2000.
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Hi, Both 1504 (2013 model and 5.1) and 1603 (older model but 7.1) are going at Amazon for $499.

Am I losing out on any newer features by going with 1603?

I am more inclined in going for 1603 because of 7 channels and zone-2 which would allow me to use 2 channels in my patio. However, since 1504 (which has 2 fewer channels) is also going at the same price, I am curious what else does it have over 1603 that I would be missing out.

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1603:
Pro - Component video IN (2)/OUT(1), Zone 2, analog ---> HDMI conversion,DD PLIIz (front height speakers)
Con - FM only

1504
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Thank you for educating everyone in this group with your immense knowledge of the product.

Any recommendation on what speakers go well with Marantz 1603. Also, what should I be looking for when shopping for speakers?

I am not a deeply technical guy when it comes to Audio, but I am learning a lot on this forum. We mostly watch movies and some music. Don't need "blow-the-roof" type arrangement for but should be decent enough.

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You would be much better served posting your speakers question in the Speakers forum, providing them with your max budget, room size, and volume levels you prefer when listening. For a budget entry level setup, the Energy Classic Take 5.1 setup is a solid choice and often recommend, generally available on Amazon for $399; however, on sale at Newegg for only $299 if purchased by tomorrow.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269024&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Home+Audio+Speakers-_-N82E16882269024

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001202C44

Also if you have an enclosed patio, you could purchase 2 more Energy Class speakers for Zone 2 use generally available on eBay, or if outdoors, purchase the Energy indoor/outdoor speaker set ....

http://www.hhgregg.com/energy-5-2-way-indoor-outdoor-speaker-2-in-box-price-for-each-/item/IO5?CS_003=6564590&CS_010=IO5&cid=PLA-6564590-IO5
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Can anyone comment on how hot it runs?
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Can anyone comment on how hot it runs?
Anyone measure power consumption with a Kill-a-watt? Would give an idea of how much power is wasted as heat if measured during silence.
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