It sets level and distance separately for each subwoofer. It also EQs them separately. But you can change this if you'd like.

Honestly if you are serious about subwoofer EQ you need to get something specially for it. No matter how good receiver REQ is it is not as good as doing your subwoofer EQ with an outboard device. EQ sub first then run AVR REQ.

I find that YPAO in my 3040 failed to properly set up my two subs even With two discreet sub outputs. On a previous setup I used an SVS AS-EQ1 that made me a very happy puppy. It's an Audessey based sub eq that performed miracles so i Guess Audessey is better at sub management than YPAO. The EQ1 is however not in Production any longer and is hard to find used so I have ordered an Anti-mode which is also a sub eq to hopefully un-mess the bass.

It's not just Yamaha, Denon, Marantz, Onkyo/Integra and Pioneer offer no Dolby Atmos upgrades on their equipment either. Its not just software, there are new hardware chipsets and processors involved as well.

I don't think that any of the 'consumer' grade products is desgned for major upgrades! The only company I know which tried a modular design was NAD but they have once in 4-5 years released modules. They haven't even upgraded from Audyssey Multi EQ to Multi EQ 32 eventhough that should have been possible in theory.
I think that this the concept of companies such as Yamaha, Onkyo, ypioneer, etc. How they do their business and that is why they keep prices relatively low.
Looking at the pro side companies like Trinnov charges high amounts in the first place and then you have your base unit which will stay up to date for about 10 years. Lexicon for instance released the MC12 in 2001 and brought it up to version 5 with constant upgrades over the years. Only the introduction of HDMI finally brought the base to an end!
In the end I still think that it will be cheaper to regulary buy consumer grade products because products which can be upgraded come with a much higher cost and upgrades are often also not for free. But then again quality wise you are on a different level.
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FWIW Some have claimed to get better dual subwoofer results from YPAO by using 1 sub preout and a y-splitter.

I think that is called planned obsolescence....and something to bring you back in the market the next year for another purchase

as noted the volume keeps the prices lower...relatively speaking
changing that often also drives the market price down significantly as well...for the units with the "last" technology
I mean look at these Denon 4520 prices this week
There are people that paid almost 3x more than that 12 months ago

but no Atmos on the 4520...so its gotta go and then you pick up the next $2000( or more) Asian AVR and the cycle repeats itself 12-18 months later

Warren

Just to be clear.. Atmos requires new hardware (decoder chips.)

dwaleke/Gurba,

Based on the reply from dwaleke, there should be individual and overall sub distance and level settings for two subs. I assume it's one or the other. I.e. if adjusting the overall, the individual settings are ignored. If doing individual settings, one cannot do the global?

Is this how YPAO works for two subs?

The 3040 will do distance, Level and PEQ on both subs separately but not globally as far as I can see. I doubt that a satisfying result would come out of it anyway. Being able to adjust all the parameters on each sub separately is essential when using two or more subs. You can also choose discreet left+right, descreet front+rear or mono left+right. This can be done post YPAO but I haven't dived deep enough into this to have noticed a difference.

Thank you! Please do so, because they haven't officially announced anything yet.

I am crystal clear on that

hence my reason for the planned obsolescence comment

12 months from now the cycle will repeat itself with the next "big/must have " thing.....from a marketing standpoint anyway with the Asian A/V manufacturers

Warren

Atmos is the most radical change in home theater audio in almost 20 years (since AC3 first came to market.).

Very very few people will think not having Atmos makes their AVR obsolete. Personally I could care less about it..
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I have the cx5000 and very pleased with it,I can't afford to get the newest thing anymore besides there's always something better after you have spent your money ,I'm not worried about atmos,I've heard it in a theater and it was great but not going to invest in it now.Doesn't blu-rays have to have atmos on it to decode atmos?How many times do we have to change are equiment,now 4k blu.ray is coming next year it never ends!

You can copy either YPAO flat / natural / etc with PEQ Data Copy. Then you can override the EQ manually. So this way you get separate level and distance which is what everyone wants. Then you can EQ each one the same. They are still separate EQs, but if they have the same values then its the same as if they were EQ'd together.


I've said this before not sure which thread. If you are serious about subwoofer EQ you need an outboard device. Either minidsp and REW, antimode, etc. YPAO, Audyssey, MCACC, etc can only do so much for you. None of them will do it as well as the other options will. From my experience Audyssey XT32 is slightly better than YPAO at sub eq. But not as good as a minidsp/bfd & REW.

At least with YPAO you can at least change your EQ manually so you might be able to get good results with REW and the AVR alone.

Bad news! Just returning from the IFA and I have some bad news! Yamaha clearly stated the no upgrade to Atmos for the CX5000 is possible and a successor won't be available untill next year IFA time !!!

I think Yamaha dropped the ball on this one. A new flagship model that was obsolete within a year with no replacement. Poor planning.

Very very few people will think not having Atmos makes their AVR obsolete. Personally I could care less about it. I would love to have a 5000.
Maybe someone here will give me theirs since its now obsolete.

They should give present A5000 owners a good trade in on the new model when it arrives if there is no firmware upgrade for this so called "flagship".

I agree with Bond 007

As they say


"you can have my CX-A5000 when you pry it from my dead cold hands"


Atmos, Tatmos, who cares, I like what the unit does for me and I aint gonna upgrade for quite a while.

I agree with Bond 007

As they say


"you can have my CX-A5000 when you pry it from my dead cold hands"


Atmos, Tatmos, who cares, I like what the unit does for me and I aint gonna upgrade for quite a while.

You will be lucky to have much of any Atmos titles in the next year. If it takes off, it will be a good long while before there is much Atmos content to be had. By the time there is a few Atmos things to watch, Yamaha will have a Pre/Pro to deal with it.

There will be a bunch of content...

And sooner rather than later....

I believe the press release on the "launch" titles will be out tomorrow.

I had the chance to speak with one of the professional services engineers yesterday (they install and maintain the dub stages, where the content is created...) They are in the middle of almost doubling the amount of Atmos mixing rooms in LA in the next couple of months.... a lot of them for OTT (streaming) content.. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Vudu, etc...)

So by your accounts, in a year from now (where md is reporting the new pre/pro will be announced) there will be much more than a "few" things to watch..

I promise you that.

Agreed, this is the worst marketing decision that I've ever seen as many CX-A5000 owners have dedicated HTs and one would think they will be looking forward to the new overhead audio experience. Just to say well if they want that format they'll have to purchase the new model is dim-witted in my opinion!

I have a 5000 combo and a 3030 and if they don't do something proactive the support those of us that just made significant purchases, I believe this will be the last purchase I'll ever make from Yamaha. Basically, I have absolute no issue with the equipment in fact I think it is top notch but the moment a competitor come out for equivalent with the Atmos option I will be dropping this line of manufacturer.

Keep an eye out folks as I'm sure I'll have a slightly used CX-A5000/MX-A5000 combination in the for sale section in the near future.


Rant over!

I was thinking the same thing.

You did not read the forums to know that a huge change was coming and if that mattered you should wait to purchase.

That's all that had been discussed the last year. You can't expect Yamaha to do anything.

This victim mentally needs to disappear. Yes I'd be upset if I didn't know better and purchased last year's models but that isn't Yamaha's, Denon's, Onkyo's, or Pioneer's fault - it is mine.

What other manufacturer will do what you want ? Who will you go to that provides hardware based updates to receivers & pre/pro's ?, Software updates alone will not give you Atmos functionality. I know of none, you would be in the same position no mater what you bought a year ago be it Denon, Onkyo/Integra & Pioneer. New features are added every year, do you expect them to offer retrofits to everything. When Dolby Digital True-HD & DTS Master Audio came out, nobody was able to update their 1 year old equipment to accommodate the new formats.

I would wait, the format will take time to take off and Yamaha will have a Pre/Pro ready when the format has taken hold. DTS-UHD will bring yet another round of this when it is introduced. In one year, sell your CX-A5000 and put toward a new Yamaha Pre/Pro that does Atmos, maybe by then they will have DTS-UHD implemented.