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csan 05-30-2013 01:43 PM

Some surprises, as the 200 WPC SR 7008 eek.gif and PM14S1...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28972766/Marantz%20Catalog%202013-2014.PDF

TuenMuner 05-30-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by csan View Post

Some surprises, as the 200 WPC SR 7008 eek.gif and PM14S1...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28972766/Marantz%20Catalog%202013-2014.PDF

Look at the spec section again: 200 W is rated @ 6ohm 1khz 1% in 1 channel

It is actually rated 125w, just like last year's model.

csan 05-30-2013 02:35 PM

yeps, I agree with you,specially with the 710Watts on peak power consumption.

But on the SR8007 description however, they state it as if it´s not...

"...That’s right, this new receiver can drive nine separate speakers, each with 200W of pure power. And because this muscle-pack is supported by Audyssey DSX and DTS Neo:X 9.1 you are flooded with the ultimate experience in surround sound. We have also upgraded Audyssey to MultEQ XT32 /LFC Pro so you get an even more accurate calibration of the speaker and guarantee that every seat in the room is a ‘sweet spot’ for audio. The set also supports Apple lossless, Gapless, and FLAC HD 192/24 network streaming meaning you also get all the metadata you want as well as music services such as Spotify and last.fm and AirPlay audio streaming.

But we haven’t changed everything. For example, the stylish aluminium front panel with illuminated porthole display is still there. We’ve also kept the staggering impact of audio quality, which is quite simply an intoxicating mix of effortless power, amazing detail and sensational depth: all thanks to the use of current feedback technology, HDAM pre-amplification and, of course the 200W for each of the nine channels. You can enjoy this superior audio performance for all your music and movie sources. Video signals are treated with extra loving care via advanced video processing, and 6+1 HDMI inputs, and 2+1 outputs (Dual output for main zone & Multi Zone output), all of which support 3D 4k pass-through and 4k scaling video. The front digital connectivity (HDMI & USB) makes it particularly friendly for mobile, tablet, iPad/iPhone, camera & camcorder. What’s more, the front panel folds up to reveal an additional two-line display. And to get it all up and running effortlessly, there’s also Setup Assistant."

In fact...

Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive) - 125W (0,05%) - Kinda high THD isn´t it?

jdsmoothie 05-31-2013 05:42 PM

Not really, especially as anything below 1.0% is likely inaudible for most folks. smile.gif

The new 5008/6008/7008 models are due to be released June 5. The 7701 will not be replaced this year.

csan 06-01-2013 09:14 AM

Well, let´s wait then and see some reviews.

runnin' 06-02-2013 08:37 AM

I wonder if they are going to be adjusting the price downwards as was done with the new Denon line up.

JohnAV 06-02-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

I wonder if they are going to be adjusting the price downwards as was done with the new Denon line up.
The two most expensive Denon models on their line up here saw a price increase (x4000, 4520) , compared to previous models.

runnin' 06-02-2013 10:10 AM

The "E" and "X" series are the new Denons in which pricing has come down. For instance the X4000 is a breakthrough in a Denon AVR with XT32 Audyssey, and with pre outs is looking like the go to choice for those cringing at the high price of an XT32 Audyssey equipped processor.

Edit: Upon further inspection, the new Denons have not come down in price. Instead, new features and options have trickled down to lower models, like the TOTL Audyssey, which gives more bang for buck.

I am wondering if Marantz, having the same ownership, is going to follow suit in that regard.

JohnAV 06-02-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

The "E" and "X" series are the new Denons in which pricing has come down. For instance the X4000 is a breakthrough in a Denon AVR with XT32 Audyssey, and with pre outs is looking like the go to choice for those cringing at the high price of an XT32 Audyssey equipped processor.

Edit: Upon further inspection, the new Denons have not come down in price. Instead, new features and options have trickled down to lower models, like the TOTL Audyssey, which gives more bang for buck.

I am wondering if Marantz, having the same ownership, is going to follow suit in that regard.
The SR 7008 looks to be the same as a x4000 from a rear view only now Marantz is offering a 9.2 AVR. Since the 7.2 SR7007 MSRP was $1799, how much you want to bet that they will indeed raise the price, making the $2499 Denon AVR-4520 look much more like a bargain. cool.gif

Here's the front view BTW.

PeterK 06-02-2013 12:27 PM

Back panel differences between X4000 and SR7008
Marantz adds--
1 more Component video input
Flasher input
M-X port - what is that, like a DenonLink?
Gold plated connectors
7.1 channel analog inputs
Nicer speaker connectors like the 4520
Front height speakers assignable

Need pricing info!!
Need number of amp channels verification.

JohnAV 06-02-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Back panel differences between X4000 and SR7008
Marantz adds--
1 more Component video input
Flasher input
M-X port - what is that, like a DenonLink?
Gold plated connectors
7.1 channel analog inputs
Nicer speaker connectors like the 4520
Front height speakers assignable

Need pricing info!!
Need number of amp channels verification.
Did you look at the Marantz Catalog 2013-2014 that was linked on the first post?
Quote:
SR7008
AV RECEIVER
Building on the strengths of the SR7007, the new SR7008 extends the number of channels from seven to nine. That’s right, this new receiver can drive nine separate speakers, each with 200W of pure power. And because this muscle-pack is supported by Audyssey DSX and DTS Neo:X 9.1 you are flooded with the ultimate experience in surround sound. We have also upgraded Audyssey to MultEQ XT32 /LFC Pro so you get an even more accurate calibration of the speaker and guarantee that every seat in the room is a ‘sweet spot’ for audio. The set also supports Apple lossless, Gapless, and FLAC HD 192/24 network streaming meaning you also get all the metadata you want as well as music services such as Spotify and last.fm and AirPlay audio streaming. But we haven’t changed everything. For example, the stylish aluminium front panel with illuminated porthole display is still there. We’ve also kept the staggering impact of audio quality, which is quite simply an intoxicating mix of effortless power, amazing detail and sensational depth: all thanks to the use of current feedback technology, HDAM pre-amplification and, of course the 200W for each of the nine channels. You can enjoy this superior audio performance for all your music and movie sources. Video signals are treated with extra loving care via advanced video processing, and 6+1 HDMI inputs, and 2+1 outputs (Dual output for main zone & Multi Zone output), all of which support 3D 4k pass-through and 4k scaling video. The front digital connectivity (HDMI & USB) makes it particularly friendly for mobile, tablet, iPad/iPhone, camera & camcorder. What’s more, the front panel folds up to reveal an additional two-line display. And to get it all up and running effortlessly, there’s also Setup Assistant. Enough said?

Specifications under number of power amps shows 9 for the SR7008, buts its only 125 watts per ch, which is why I compare it to a AVR-x4000, even though they used gold connectors and clear speaker posts similar to the AVR-4520.

PeterK 06-02-2013 12:57 PM

Yea I failed to open the first link frown.gif Sorry
This document appears to be for countries other than the US and Canada as they list color options.
Don't know if all the info will hold valid for us as there have been differences in the past for Europe.

This new receiver has all the features I am looking for as I have no interest in going 11.2. If priced under the 4520, I will wait for it.

William K 06-02-2013 02:17 PM

So what do you guys think will sound better...the Marantz or the Denon? Just kidding biggrin.gif

M Code 06-02-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

The "E" and "X" series are the new Denons in which pricing has come down. For instance the X4000 is a breakthrough in a Denon AVR with XT32 Audyssey, and with pre outs is looking like the go to choice for those cringing at the high price of an XT32 Audyssey equipped processor.

Edit: Upon further inspection, the new Denons have not come down in price. Instead, new features and options have trickled down to lower models, like the TOTL Audyssey, which gives more bang for buck.

I am wondering if Marantz, having the same ownership, is going to follow suit in that regard.

Denon and Marantz are both part of the D&M holdings group..
However, the last 3 years have been very challenging to both brands, Marantz struggled for products and Denon over-expanded their distribution channels while driving for lower price points and lost many loyal AV specialists. Plus having their AVR marketshare in Norh America and Europe shrink significantly. Now D&M management has merged the Marantz and Denon AVR development teams, going forward both brands will share certain common chassis toolings and circuits.


Juts my $0.02... 👍😠

PeterK 06-02-2013 07:33 PM

Wonder what the SR7008 will cost in the US? I am seeing European prices of 1599 Euros.

JohnAV 06-02-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Wonder what the SR7008 will cost in the US? I am seeing European prices of 1599 Euros.
Your referring to this link. I will say it at least shows update to 9.2 while retaining 7.1 analog inputs. Makes you wonder if next years Denon x4000 model will offer those two additions.

PeterK 06-03-2013 04:58 AM

So the Denon 4520 over the 7008 has 11 channel processing, same number of amps but a little more power, possibly a heavier built enclosure. Am I missing anything?
This new Marantz might just be the sweet spot for me.
Any idea of when these new models will be officially offered in the US?

fordf250 06-03-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Wonder what the SR7008 will cost in the US? I am seeing European prices of 1599 Euros.

Hello PeterK-one Euro is $1.30 US-so a direct conversion, MSRP, would be $2078.70

jdsmoothie 06-03-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

So the Denon 4520 over the 7008 has 11 channel processing, same number of amps but a little more power, possibly a heavier built enclosure. Am I missing anything?
This new Marantz might just be the sweet spot for me.
Any idea of when these new models will be officially offered in the US?

As I noted in post #4 .... June 5. Also review the bottom of post #1 in the "2013 Denon AVR-E/X Models" thread linked in my sig to see a comparison of the 4520CI vs. the X4000 (Denon's comparable unit to the 7008).

csan 06-03-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by M Code View Post

...now D&M management has merged the Marantz and Denon AVR development teams, going forward both brands will share certain common chassis toolings and circuits.
Juts my $0.02... 👍😠

Yes, that´s right. But what´s the point? Where´s the brand identity going to (if they really had different ones, at least for the past couple of years?). That said, guess the better deal is going for the cheapest one.

Oh boy, rolleyes.gif good times of the SR8002...

M Code 06-04-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by csan View Post

Yes, that´s right. But what´s the point? Where´s the brand identity going to (if they really had different ones, at least for the past couple of years?). That said, guess the better deal is going for the cheapest one.

Oh boy, rolleyes.gif good times of the SR8002...

Point is...
Now they have a single expense for AVR development rather than 2, the end result is a $ savings . When a company is losing money minimizing expenses are a crucial part for survival.... 😳

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

csan 06-04-2013 02:24 PM

I agree with you, in terms of administrative measures it´s logical, but then, wouldn´t it be cheaper to have one strong brand instead?

For instance, leaving multichannel for Denon and Stereo for Marantz?

Looking at two AVR Receivers and Blu Ray players from different brands sharing everything from the logical border to the connections and one being cheaper than the other seems weird, not to mention another word...

mllr 06-04-2013 02:35 PM

Is the Melody Movie (MER803) discontinued? I could not find a successor in the new line-up. And if it is, does that hold true for its Denon sibling RBD-X1000 as well?

JohnAV 06-04-2013 04:57 PM

AVland finally showing MARANTZ SR-7008 on their web site, but its a 125wpc 7.2 A/V Receiver?
Maybe Typo? Maybe Not. They say the details are tentative.

davidbarrickman 06-04-2013 06:01 PM

The way that Marantz catalog linked in post #1 by csan reads it is 9.2 so my guess is it's a mistake/typo, the catalog was from Marantz UK. I have also seen other European dealers' websites refer to it as 9.2 as well, but who knows? Maybe jd can help clarify, he posted there would be an announcement June 5th (EDIT tomorrow sorry jd I had today's date wrong oops smile.gif my bad)

jdsmoothie 06-04-2013 06:24 PM

Public release in the USA scheduled for Wed, June 5 .... price and stats announced. smile.gif

davidbarrickman 06-05-2013 02:57 AM

Here's a post on What Hi-Fi in the UK about the new Marantz AVRs...
according to this the Euro version of the SR7008 is 9.2.
The post is dated June 4th, hopefully today June 5th we'll get info about the US versions, as noted by jd above smile.gif

http://www.whathifi.com/news/marantz-boosts-av-receiver-presence-with-three-new-models

Snowmanick 06-05-2013 07:37 AM


csan 06-05-2013 09:15 AM

I Guess price may go down, as it simply doesn´t worth it at this price point. I´d rather go to the Denon X-4000, which is exactly the same AVR at US$1200,-.

I do not know what is the strategy from D&M in terms of marketshare gains with it...if there´s any. Maybe it´s to push Multichannel market to Denon.

JohnAV 06-05-2013 09:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by csan View Post

I Guess price may go down, as it simply doesn´t worth it at this price point. I´d rather go to the Denon X-4000, which is exactly the same AVR at US$1200,-.

I do not know what is the strategy from D&M in terms of marketshare gains with it...if there´s any. Maybe it´s to push Multichannel market to Denon.
The only two attributes between them is 2 more 125 watts amps, and 7.1 analog audio inputs it seems. ($1299 vs $1999). cool.gif

Look forward to some comparisons.


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