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post #151 of 1110 Old 09-07-2013, 01:19 PM
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Q: Can the VSX-1123 only output multi-channel digital audio to the HDZone, not the Main Zone, when both are switched to the same input?

I just setup my receiver including an HDMI output from the HDZone and noticed this behavior. When the receiver's main zone and HDZone were both set to CBL/SAT HDMI input (a DirecTV receiver), the HDZone was getting Dolby Digital, but the main zone was only getting 2-channel stereo. As soon as I switch the HDZone to a different input, the 5.1 DD signal comes back to the main zone. I also verified this behavior with a Blu-ray player including a DTS-HD Master audio signal. When both zones are on the same input, only the HDZone gets the multi-channel audio. Is this a known limitation of the receiver?

Edit: Maybe/hopefully, this was a false alarm. This behavior was happening when my projector (Panasonic PT-AE4000U) was connected to the main zone. After I turned off the projector and left the receiver on, I noticed it wasn't happening anymore. I turned the projector back on; the receiver switched back and forth between stereo and DD a few times, then settled on DD. Also DD to the HDZone from the same input. So, I'm thinking that maybe there was a HDMI sync issue with the projector when this was happening. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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So yes, that works, but it's more than a pain, and my family is not crazy about doing all those steps just to watch TV, not to mention how much I may be shortening the life of my receiver by turning it on and off twice every time... Is there anything I can do to remedy this situation?

I dunno about the 600, but you can program the Harmony One not to turn on the receiver. You could delay the receiver turn on until after the TV is already on, dunno if that turns the receiver off again.

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This is correct for the HDZONE the receiver will only do 2.0, it will however pass through any VIdeo/Audio signal you throw at it in the main zone.
For instance you can turn your receiver off and it will passthrough the last source that was selected.

It passes through video but only passes 2.0 audio through either hdmi output. I have confirmed this through trial.
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Bad news for the 1123, one of the two i bought already crashed. Worked great for about 2 weeks then ceased to recognize or process any audio from hdmi sources. It also fried an hdmi cable. I returned it to best buy and received a direct replacement but i lost $50 buying a new 50' hdmi cable.
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The problem is, for that to work I must allow the receiver to be controlled by HDMI. If I disable that, ARC no longer works. With that enabled, every time the TV turns on, it sends a power toggle signal to the receiver, which is already on, and that turns it off. Since I use a Harmony 600 remote to turn everything on, the receiver turns on, then the TV, then the receiver turns off. I hit the Help button on the remote, which turns the receiver back on.

So yes, that works, but it's more than a pain, and my family is not crazy about doing all those steps just to watch TV, not to mention how much I may be shortening the life of my receiver by turning it on and off twice every time... Is there anything I can do to remedy this situation?

On the receiver in the HDMI menu turn off the Control Mode.
This will disable the automatic power on and power off the receiver and still give you ARC functionality.
Oh yeah Page 59 of the manual.

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Q: Can the VSX-1123 only output multi-channel digital audio to the HDZone, not the Main Zone, when both are switched to the same input?

I just setup my receiver including an HDMI output from the HDZone and noticed this behavior. When the receiver's main zone and HDZone were both set to CBL/SAT HDMI input (a DirecTV receiver), the HDZone was getting Dolby Digital, but the main zone was only getting 2-channel stereo. As soon as I switch the HDZone to a different input, the 5.1 DD signal comes back to the main zone. I also verified this behavior with a Blu-ray player including a DTS-HD Master audio signal. When both zones are on the same input, only the HDZone gets the multi-channel audio. Is this a known limitation of the receiver?

Edit: Maybe/hopefully, this was a false alarm. This behavior was happening when my projector (Panasonic PT-AE4000U) was connected to the main zone. After I turned off the projector and left the receiver on, I noticed it wasn't happening anymore. I turned the projector back on; the receiver switched back and forth between stereo and DD a few times, then settled on DD. Also DD to the HDZone from the same input. So, I'm thinking that maybe there was a HDMI sync issue with the projector when this was happening. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

There are two modes of operation for the HDZONE, independent(HDZONE) and mirror(MAIN).
In independent mode HDZONE will only output Dual channel Audio, in mirror it will not.
You have to set the receiver settings accordingly in the ZONE Setup menu.
PG 88 and PG 89 of the Manual.

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"Q: Can the VSX-1123 only output multi-channel digital audio to the HDZone, not the Main Zone, when both are switched to the same input?"

Thank you for the replies on this question. I believe that I've figured it out. What complicated matters is that the HDZone HDMI output is connected to a 1x4 HDMI splitter that is then connected to two TVs and a Pioneer SC-1222 receiver. What I didn't realize is that the TVs can only negotiate a DD 2.0 (2-channel stereo) HDMI handshake. So, when a TV is on, but not the SC-1222, only 2-channels are connected and that's what I get in the VSX-1123 main zone when the HDZone is on the same source. When the SC-1222 is on, it negotiates a 5.1 handshake with the HDZone, and the VSX-1123 also shows 5.1 in the main zone. This appears to correlate with Exist_To_Exist's comment about mirroring.
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I just got my new VSX-1123K set up, so far so good. I have a question regarding HDMI #3 (DVR/BDR). I connected my ROKU 2 XS to this input. The only way I found to select this input using the remote is to press HDMI button, then cycle thru it until I see my renamed HDMI input 3 to "Roku 2 XS". If I press the "DVR/BDR" button nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong?

thanks, this thread has been very informative so far. keep up the good work.
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If I press the "DVR/BDR" button nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong?
Try pressing the Receiver button (just above Volume +) on the remote before pressing the DVR button.
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Thanks to everyone that has helped me thus far. Great posts and resolutions. Now that almost everything is working well, my next question is Pandora. Pandora does play - but - I can't seen to make my choices with the remote. Have to use buttons on the front of the receiver to pick Pandora channels. I've moved all my remote functions to my Harmony 800 - but that remote doesn't work within Pandora either. I do get a display on my TV and can see what I'm picking, but again, have to make my selections with the front of the receiver. Shouldn't the buttons on the remote allow one to toggle and make Pandora channel choices? Thanks for any input.
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I just got my new VSX-1123K set up, so far so good. I have a question regarding HDMI #3 (DVR/BDR). I connected my ROKU 2 XS to this input. The only way I found to select this input using the remote is to press HDMI button, then cycle thru it until I see my renamed HDMI input 3 to "Roku 2 XS". If I press the "DVR/BDR" button nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong?

thanks, this thread has been very informative so far. keep up the good work.

You need the setup the DVR/BDR button to use HDMI 3 input. There are certain buttons that can be customized to specific inputs.
Make sure that it is not set to Component or something.
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Thanks to everyone that has helped me thus far. Great posts and resolutions. Now that almost everything is working well, my next question is Pandora. Pandora does play - but - I can't seen to make my choices with the remote. Have to use buttons on the front of the receiver to pick Pandora channels. I've moved all my remote functions to my Harmony 800 - but that remote doesn't work within Pandora either. I do get a display on my TV and can see what I'm picking, but again, have to make my selections with the front of the receiver. Shouldn't the buttons on the remote allow one to toggle and make Pandora channel choices? Thanks for any input.

We don't have Pandora in Canada, so I can't really comment on a functionality that I've never used.
Having said that some people have complained about the Pandora connectivity stating that it is less then stellar.

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I'm about to pull the trigger on this but wanted to know if anyone has had any audio issues when using their HTPC? I'm using one now with my Denon AVR-591 with no issues, I do not use XBMC just MPC for my MKV files.
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I'm about to pull the trigger on this but wanted to know if anyone has had any audio issues when using their HTPC? I'm using one now with my Denon AVR-591 with no issues, I do not use XBMC just MPC for my MKV files.

Nope, none at all. However you should always remember to turn on the device connected to your receiver last, especially when it comes to HTPCs.
I turn on the Receiver, TV, then HTPC, otherwise the proper handshaking does not take place.

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Q. Why is the AV Receiver taking HDMI audio over separate digital Audio Input?

I've hooked my new VSX 923 K (very similar to 1123-K?) to my satellite receiver via HDMI, but on discovering that the satellite receiver only passes stereo over the HDMI, I decided to hook up the digital optical audio to send Dolby Digital. I've made the change in the Input Setup of the 923 to select OPT-1 as the audio in for that source, but the receiver seems determined to choose the stereo HDMI signal over the digital optical signal. I tried a coax digital cable and had the same result (after changing the input setup again).

If I pull out the HDMI cable, the display lights up all the Dolby D bits (obviously only get sound, no picture) so confirming that at least the signal on the separate audio cable is indeed Dolby D. and the input setup seems correct. Plug the HDMI back in and it reverts to stereo audio.

The exact same thing happens when I connect up my Apple TV (v2).

Anyone know of a way to tell the receiver to prefer the digital audio signal over the HDMI stereo signal?
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A bit more digging online and I found the answer in Pioneer's FAQ here:

http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/faq/970/999036/page.html

Basically, you need to manually tell the receiver to use the Digital audio signal using the Signal Select button on the remote.
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So I just tested my PS3 conneccted to the TV and via ARC to the receiver. Even though the TV is capable of passing DTS and DD via Netflix and DNLA it will not pass it through the other HDMI inputs.
Receiver was playing the movie in stereo, I could not hear the dialogue at all.
Hmm

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Just pulled the trigger on this for $449 which I thought was a steal! I'm looking forward to getting rid of my Denon 591 biggrin.gif
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Nice steal, $499 is an awesome price for this.

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I found a hard to find bug with this receiver regarding disabling video conversion and RBG content (16-235) (YCbCr is not affected)

My setup: Pioneer 1123-K with a PN51D6900 plasma TV (Also tested with two other cheap brand LCDs)


First thing I did when I got my receiver, I disabled video conversion since I'm a gamer and wanted to remove as much input lag as possible, then I calibrated my TV using chromapure.

For a while everything seemed fine, movies/tv/etc all looked perfect.

Then I started playing some game on my PS3 and Xbox 360, and couldn't help but notice everything seemed darker than supposed, as in crushed black/missing detail.

Then I remembered, most movies play in YCbCr, and pretty much all games use RGB. Fun thing about the PS3 dvd/blu ray reader "software" is that you can choose the output format between those two.

So here are my results:


This is the PS3 outputting in RGB (Limited) with video conversion enabled on the receiver:
(Same results with both RGB and YCbCr)




This is the PS3 outputting RGB (again, limited) with video conversion off. BUT if I set it to YCbCr it look just as in picture 1, no problem.




This is the PS3 plugged directly in the TV, I get the same correct results with both RGB and YCbCr output





So it seem the problem only manifest itself with RGB content (limited, or 16-235 in other terms) when video conversion is set to off.

Tested and confirmed (same results) with my PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii U, on 3 different TVs.

I'll try to contact Pioneer about it, I hope I won't have too much trouble as my spoken english somewhat broken :/


Edit: About picture #2, even if I set the brightness to it's maximum, I'm not getting all bars on RGB. Not even the 17--18.


I sent Pioneer support an e-mail about this same issue I am able to reproduce. Hopefully there will be a fix for it
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I just received my VSX-1123-K Receiver in the mail and have an issue setting up the Zone 2 wired speakers. Hopefully someone here can help.

I have the receiver connected as a 5.1 setup in my main living room and I want to pipe the same signal to two wired speakers on my porch using the surround back/zone 2 connections. I am currently playing Pandora on the receiver in the main living room and have Zone 2 set up to play the input Pandora.

I'm not receiving any sound to my wired porch speakers. I've checked and double-checked the connections and they seem fine. (They also worked yesterday with my old Yamaha receiver).

One other side note is that I current have a wireless transmitter connected via Zone 2 Out RCA on the back of the receiver so that I can also send music to wireless speakers throughout my house -- This is working fine.

The question I have is as follows: Can I simultaneously transmit a signal via the Zone 2 Out RCAs on the back of the receiver and also send music to wired speakers connected to the surround back/zone 2 speaker terminals? This seems like it should be possible and I'm hoping that I'm just missing a setting.

Any help would be appreciated!!! I've attached a sketch to visually show my setup.

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I honestly doubt that you can simultaneously use the RCA and the speaker connectors, however I can't comment 100% on this.
I would imagine to conserve power some internal switching would happen as soon as the receiver detects a complete circuit on the RCA input.
Page 30 of the manual talks about either using RCA or Speaker Terminals for ZONE2 nothing about using both at the same time.
I'm thinking either it can't do what you want it to do, or perhaps your Recevier is not setup properly to use the Back Surround terminals for ZONE2.
My suggestion would be to test the Speaker Terminals only, so for now disconnect the RCA ZONE2 device (wireless speakers) and make sure you have the speakers working via wired Surround Back terminals on the receiver.
Once you have that up and running connect the wireless speakers and see if you can reproduce audio from both outputs, this will answer your question of weather or not you can do both at the same time.
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Thanks for the comments Exist_To_Resist.

I was able to figure it out with some help (and a long wait on the telephone) from Pioneer.

You were on the right track in that the speakers were not set up correctly. I had run the MCACC test tones and the test tones came through the porch speakers which eliminated the concern about whether they were connected correctly or not.

I then had to go into the main menu, through speaker settings, and set up Zone 2. (can't remember the exact menu level but it was a couple levels deep)

I then had to use the remote to press the Zone 2 button and then the 'net' button.

Finally I had to use the app to change the source to Pandora.

This seems like a somewhat convoluted way to the solution, and I don't completely understand what I did, but it worked. I now have sound coming from the wireless speakers (connected through the Zone 2 out) as well as the wired porch speakers (connected through the surround back speaker terminals).

So, for anyone else trying to simultaneously output an ANALOG signal through the Zone 2 RCA outs and using the surround back speaker terminals it IS possible. I was told by Pioneer support that this wouldn't work with a digital signal but I haven't confirmed this yet.

Hope this helps someone else in the same situation as me.

By the way this thread has been immensely helpful in deciding what the capabilities (and limitations) of this receiver are. Thanks! -Brian

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Hi there, I just got this Pioneer a couple weeks ago and like it pretty well (moved my HK 1700 downstairs).  The Harmony remotes are finicky as you may well know... what you have to do is map some functions to it.  In order to control the Pandora menu with them you need to map functions like "Net Enter" and "Net forward", "Net back" and "Net up".  I mapped these to the d-pad on my Harmony (900 I think?) and it works fine.  But about half the time I use my phone or ipad with the Pioneer 2013 app, that thing is killer!  Cheers.

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Hi there, I just got this Pioneer a couple weeks ago and like it pretty well (moved my HK 1700 downstairs).  The Harmony remotes are finicky as you may well know... what you have to do is map some functions to it.  In order to control the Pandora menu with them you need to map functions like "Net Enter" and "Net forward", "Net back" and "Net up".  I mapped these to the d-pad on my Harmony (900 I think?) and it works fine.  But about half the time I use my phone or ipad with the Pioneer 2013 app, that thing is killer!  Cheers.

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Thanks, I was just about to start trying to figure that out.

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After reading through the forum and going through the manual, I have discovered the answer to many complicated problems. My issue though is that I have a simple question. I have a simple system. Receiver (VSX-522) and speakers, Directv, PS3, television, and an Optoma Projector. I mostly watch regular tv, but when I want to watch a movie I have to unplug the HDMI cable going to the tv from the back of the receiver and plug in the cable going to the projector. Can the 1123 be setup so I don't have to do this?
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After reading through the forum and going through the manual, I have discovered the answer to many complicated problems. My issue though is that I have a simple question. I have a simple system. Receiver (VSX-522) and speakers, Directv, PS3, television, and an Optoma Projector. I mostly watch regular tv, but when I want to watch a movie I have to unplug the HDMI cable going to the tv from the back of the receiver and plug in the cable going to the projector. Can the 1123 be setup so I don't have to do this?
Thanks

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Yes it can. You can actually mirror the output on both HDMI OUT 1 and HDMI OUT 2.
"Only signals input in HDMI format can be played with the HDMI OUT 2 teminal." as per PG 67-68 of the Manual.

"Set the usage of the HDMI OUT 2 terminal.
MAIN: Select this to output the same input source as in the main zone.
HDZONE: Use the HDMI output's multizone function (HDZONE) to output an input source different from the on in the main zone."
PG 89 of the Manual.

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As most people I bought this during the newegg sale a few months back as a nice good deal to get an updated low cost receiver. Plugged it up and was very pleased from the start playing almost everything I like to watch or play. Even enjoyed it letting 3d through for games and movies.

360, ps3 and uverse connected and never had any issues for a month or so. I did a n update when I first got it but after a month for some reason the audio for any hdmi input would not go through when on but would in standy-by. Since it was so new and no one had any info on issues I went through unplugging and plugging, changing settings, changing cables but nothing would resolve it. Figured I would check update, once done it all worked. Here we are 3 months later and boom, no audio again. Go to update but nothing, look online and see people mention that issue but all seem like they fixed itself somehow.

I been busy so was finally able to get more into the issue. Apparently it's a Stand-By issue and my uverse box being on digital. I just turned stand-by off, turned off all devices then turned them on. we have full surround again. Checked PS3 and 360, back to sound as well.

My guess would be even though the box was on Digital for months there may occur some digital glitch at times when it tries to pass it through which is rather fubar as 1) it knocks ALL hdmi out and 2) sometimes I don't want or need it on. I saw someone mention changing their uverse to stereo which made me think of the standby issue.

Other than that irritating glitch I am extremely pleased with this purchase. Especially since I happen to know someone that took the 4k plunge now and brought it over. No issues there at all so...

Going from an old Integra to this has my old infinity reference 2000.2 like they got viagra. clean clear sound and still a good bass response but thanks to newegg and HHGregg was able to get update other speakers and a sub for a full 7.1 setup.

My only other gripe with his would have been the remote but the phone / tablet app is great and I LOVE the push player. Plus the other day found I can send music or video directly to it from my computer, no wiring, no input changin, just say send to and boom we on. Wish it did surround though but most things going to it aren't surround.

Only thing I have yet to try the zone 2 tv which would come in handy if i didn't already have my computer streaming my 2nd view during football

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Does anyone have any problems with the receiver switching sources automatically? Mine is switching to the TV source. I turn it on, it's on BD, but then about 10 seconds later switches to TV. I then need to push BD again on the remote.

I turned HDMI control off to be safe. Still the same thing.

Any ideas?
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