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I just upgraded my Pioneer 1018 to the Denon x4000. Polk rti a9 and csi a6 front and center. Surrounds are just some Samsung HTIB fronts repurposed mainly because of the standing height until I can find some suitable surrounds (read: price). Sub is a 10" Polk (PSW 404 I think).

I am considering adding an amp to drive the fronts primarily. Seeing as I live in a condo where volume needs to remain respectable, is it viable to use an external amp for the purpose of taking some of the load off the receiver? I am budget-minded, but I like to future-proof when I do spend. Is this a waste? If not, any suggestions for amps?

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Why do you want to take load from the receiver? You don't need an external amp. Just enjoy what you have.
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You have more than enough power to do one (or BOTH) of these two things with relative ease:

1. Meet your own listening level requirements.

2. SURPASS those that your neighbor(s) find to reasonable.

Take the $5-$1000 and spend it on media to enjoy.

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Ditto

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Ditto

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Much appreciated. I find that in forums, people love to take liberties with money that's not their own, so suggestions contrary to that are refreshing.

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Well, if that's all you want, send the money to me and I will be glad to take liberties with it. No amps required. smile.gif

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Much appreciated. I find that in forums, people love to take liberties with money that's not their own, so suggestions contrary to that are refreshing.

We aren't in the business of selling you anything. What you buy or don't buy doesn't affect us in the least. Good listening.
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We aren't in the business of selling you anything. What you buy or don't buy doesn't affect us in the least. Good listening.

I mean't nothing by it...just that sometimes people enter a 'fantasy mode' when giving product advice...so it's cool to get some of the practical nature.

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I understand. I learned a long time ago that what matters in a sound system is speakers and room acoustics. The rest of the stuf is fairly close to being meaningless. So I support using affordable electronics. Most separate amplifiers are purchased because they are wanted, not because they are needed. It's OK with me but it seems silly for most people. So you got not only what I preach but what I practice. Welcome to AVS forum.
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I use my X4000 as a pre/pro with a few Rotel amps in my signature and the sound is superb. But I haven't compared with the internal amp.

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I use my X4000 as a pre/pro with a few Rotel amps in my signature and the sound is superb. But I haven't compared with the internal amp.

The "superber" wouldn't be a fair term to use. Like I said most amps are purchased because they are wanted, not because they are needed.
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The "superber" wouldn't be a fair term to use. Like I said most amps are purchased because they are wanted, not because they are needed.

Oh, trust me, I want, but that doesn't mean I will. I just question the benefits at moderate/slightly-loud listening levels. Am I going to get increased quality across the board? Not saying I'm gonna do it, but if I did, would a 2-channel amp to the fronts suffice, since they're huge...or should I look at driving the center as well?

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I have my X4000 preamp with an Outlaw 7125 and it "sounds" better than the Onkyo 818 before it. I find when listening at high volumes, fast and furious 6 for a recent example, the heavy action scenes with music, etcc. sound more clean to me.

There are always the usual suspects around here that love to tell you that you dont need an amp with "dont be silly" type replies, but there are also plenty of articles to state differently.

I tried it (unlike a lot of folks here who just look at numbers) and I feel it was worth it. Keep in mind, I could ahve sent the amp back so I have no need to embellish because of buyers remorse. My advice, as to someone who actually tried it, is get one with a good return window and see what you think. Do not listen to people on here about this subject, because you will find that most of the amp supporters never speak up, its just the "you dont need one" folks. I know this from experience and talking to respected posters via PM.

Im sure this will piss some folks off, but I dont really care. The whole notion of dismissing a purchase that you dont have any experience with, because of something you read, is not in the spirit of this forum. This isn't pointed at any particular poster here, Im just speaking from the experiences I went thru with amp research the last 3 months.

This is on this site in a similar thread:
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"About five years ago, a friend named Peter Smith conducted a very interesting test at Rocky Mountain Audiofest. He set up a system with both an average-reading meter (standard RMS VU meter like you would find on most audio equipment) and a peak-reading meter. He played the system with the VU meter registering an amplifier output of 5 - 8 watts. To everyone's surprise, the peak meter read as high as 250 watts during transient peaks in the music being reproduced. The bottom line is that if you were using a 100-watt amp to play back music at an average of 5 - 8 watts, it would be clipping during these transients. In may not be all that noticeable since many of these transients would be things like drum hits that are essentially noise anyway. None-the-less, clipping would be taking place."

Peak wattage is a huge difference from average wattage. For an HT system, you should design it based on the peak SPL that you want at the listening position. As I said it takes a lot of power to reproduce the peaks."

This will be my last post though, PM me if you want to know any more. I've spent more time than needed defending a purchase that I know made an improvement in SQ.

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The above is a good example of expectation bias. Since he expected a sonic improvement and paid for one, his brain supported him. Unfortunately, in a bias controlled listening test, the two would sound identical. No need to defend it. I just want you to understand it.
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As an amp user who has used mid-fi, 90 wpc A/V receivers as both straight receiver and pre-pros (as in, my current, somewhat dated Yamaha RX-V661), it's my considered opinion that anyone who thinks that dedicated amplifiers DON'T add at least some measure of sonic quality suffer from defective hearing. Certainly your sound quality at, near or above reference levels will beat the sound coming straight out of your A/V receiver. At low volumes? Sure, you can compare the two. Pump up the volume a few tits, and the table setting changes.

You can cite all the theory, numbers and measurements you want - it comes back to what you hear with those two goofy things on each side of your melon.

I just ordered my AVR-X4000 to replace my 7 year-old Yammy, and I'm looking damned forward to hearing how it matches up with the Adcom GFA6000 that pushes my Maggie MMGs and MMG-C. The Denon will handle the old (cherished) Paradigm Phantom v2 surrounds I have in the back, and the Rythmik F12G, well..............it speaks for itself.

It'll be fine.........

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