Originally Posted by General Custer
Denon needs to release a receiver that can do 13 channels of processing. Those of us that have wides and want 3D audio would like to add 4 height or ceiling speakers. We shouldn't have to choose between wides and surround backs if we want to add 4 height speakers.
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Sure, that was also my hope until JD crushed it and revealed there will be no replacement for the X7200WA (or the 8802) until the end of 2017.
With the information in mind, you can either keep being frustrated for almost two years, or think about everything else related to wides:
- DSU doesn't support wides at all
- D&M's implementation of DTS:X only supports wides copying the surrounds or using Neural:X to create a phantom signal from the surrounds and fronts. So no wides support for objects in DTS:X.
- There are no wides on the DTS:X test sound track
- If you don't have back surrounds, you can have wides and two pairs of heights in Atmos, DTS:X and Neural:X
- If you do have surrounds back, you can move your surrounds to 90 degrees if they aren't there already, which lessens the gap between the surrounds and the front
- 7.1.4 with TF+TR with the surrounds at 90 degrees is the layout used for near field re-mixing of most if not all consumer content with Atmos or DTS:X.
- Wides brought something with Neo:X or Audyssey before immersive audio.
So I decided to move my surrounds to 90 degrees (they used to be at 110 degrees) and get an X7200WA to enjoy the best there is now at least until the end of 2017. I've kept my wides but I'm not sure I'll use them even if 13+ channels are supported, at until more titles are mixed using a 9.1.4 layout. I like to hear as close as possible to what the mixer heard in the room. When/if that happens, I might move my surrounds back to 110 degrees, but since I moved them to 90 degrees I don't miss my wides, at all.
If it gets replaced at the end of the year, I know I'll never trust JD's source ever again, but for now I'm super happy with my purchase and I'm enjoying Atmos, DTS:X and Auro 3D with one of the best AVRs (if not the best) available previously.
I used to have an X5200W and although I don't know if the improvement in SQ comes from the additional power, the better component, the 32bits ALP or whatever, there is a significant improvement in SQ from the X5200W. Not night and day, the X5200W was no slouch, but I use 7 of the internal power amps to power all my ear level speakers (9 when I use wides), and it seems to make a difference. Could be placebo of course, but the sound feels better, tighter, and at least it doesn't sound worse