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Exactly what device are you plugging into it?
Originally I'm just trying to plug in a SNES Classic video game system. I really wouldn't think this to be fancy (i.e. really doubt it's 4K), so I'm still confused.

I plugged in an Xbox 360, a PS3, a 2017 MacBook Pro 15" and a windows 10 notebook PC and all those all work in the FRONT HDMI port.

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If it's a 4K UHD device, your symptoms are consistent with you having a 2014 AVR-X7200W which was later upgraded to an A by having its main HDMI board replaced. Unlike the 2015 AVR-X7200WA shipped from the manufacturer, that HDMI upgrade process did not upgrade the front HDMI port to support HDCP V2.2. Only the rear ports can support modern 4K UHD devices.
I wonder how I can tell? I did get it from a 3rd party off Amazon. Obviously just chose the cheapest vendor. And it was purchased January 2016.

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Edited to add: if you need to use the front port because of its convenience, a workaround would be to get a short male-to-female HDMI extension cable that you run under the receiver from the back panel so it sticks out in front of it.
Yes. Strictly convenience. All ports in the back are used, but I have an old thing or two. Just need to spend a little more time to take them out and tidy up.

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Originally I'm just trying to plug in a SNES Classic video game system. I really wouldn't think this to be fancy (i.e. really doubt it's 4K), so I'm still confused.

I plugged in an Xbox 360, a PS3, a 2017 MacBook Pro 15" and a windows 10 notebook PC and all those all work in the FRONT HDMI port.
That does seem unusual. Are the ones that work generating 4K? FWIW, the front panel port, even when it's one that supports HDCP v2.2, is limited in bandwidth compared to the rear ports. If you press Setup and select General/Information, it'll provide some details about the incoming audio and video signals while it's plugged into a working port. That information might provide some hint as to what might be going on.
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I wonder how I can tell? I did get it from a 3rd party off Amazon. Obviously just chose the cheapest vendor. And it was purchased January 2016.
The original model number should be silkscreened in a box on the back panel. Also, the manufacturing date is encoded in the first few digits of the serial number.
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re the ones that work generating 4K?
I don't have any 4K devices. Yet.

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FWIW, the front panel port, even when it's one that supports HDCP v2.2, is limited in bandwidth compared to the rear ports. If you press Setup and select General/Information, it'll provide some details about the incoming audio and video signals while it's plugged into a working port. That information might provide some hint as to what might be going on.
With this SNES Classic:
in AUX 1 (FRONT, which isn't working)
Resolution. --- -> ---
Color Space --- -> ---
Pixel Depth --- -> ---

in AUX 2 (back, works)
Resolution. 720p:60Hz -> 720p:60Hz
Color Space RGB 4:4:4 -> RGB 4:4:4
Pixel Depth 8bits -> 8bits

So, I'm not thinking that requires a lot of bandwidth..

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The original model number should be silkscreened in a box on the back panel. Also, the manufacturing date is encoded in the first few digits of the serial number.
Is there a resource for interpreting the serial number? mine starts with 51115 _ _ _ _ _. I'm guessing 5/11/15 ?

UPDATE: I found one source via searching that suggests this may be (201)5/11 -- which turns out to be the same: November 2015.

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I don't have any 4K devices. Yet.



With this SNES Classic:
in AUX 1 (FRONT, which isn't working)
This does seem unusual.....have you been using the same HDMI cable that works with the other devices that successfully display via AUX 1?
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I don't have any 4K devices. Yet.



With this SNES Classic:
in AUX 1 (FRONT, which isn't working)
Resolution. --- -> ---
Color Space --- -> ---
Pixel Depth --- -> ---

in AUX 2 (back, works)
Resolution. 720p:60Hz -> 720p:60Hz
Color Space RGB 4:4:4 -> RGB 4:4:4
Pixel Depth 8bits -> 8bits

So, I'm not thinking that requires a lot of bandwidth..
Are you using the same HDMI cable with the devices that work in the front connection? (I.e. I'm wondering if the cable might be at fault).

Another (related) possibility is that the signal level from the SNES might have a marginal amplitude and that the rear ports have a low enough threshold but the front one doesn't. Sometimes this can be compensated for by using a higher quality cable, one with lower attenuation and dispersion. As a result, "Certified Premium" cables often are recommended. They're usually required for 4K signals and work quite well when there are problems at lower bitrates.

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Is there a resource for interpreting the serial number? mine starts with 51115 _ _ _ _ _. I'm guessing 5/11/15 ?

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I think your guess is correct.
I don't know of any official resource, but a quick Web search suggests the pattern that you deduced is used for several Denon models.
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have you been using the same HDMI cable that works with the other devices that successfully display via AUX 1?
Yes. Same one which worked with 4 other devices. And also tried a couple other cables.

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Another (related) possibility is that the signal level from the SNES might have a marginal amplitude and that the rear ports have a low enough threshold but the front one doesn't. Sometimes this can be compensated for by using a higher quality cable, one with lower attenuation and dispersion. As a result, "Certified Premium" cables often are recommended. They're usually required for 4K signals and work quite well when there are problems at lower bitrates.
OK. I have an entire box of cables I could keep trying.... LOL. Project for tonight maybe.


I'm sorry, I'm just stumped and believe there's surely a simple thing I'm just doing wrong somewhere...

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Yes. Same one which worked with 4 other devices. And also tried a couple other cables.



OK. I have an entire box of cables I could keep trying.... LOL. Project for tonight maybe.
Well, it's explicitly cables with the official rating of "Certified Premium" that I'm referring to so as to avoid the variations found in random "High Speed" cables. They don't cost any more, but they come with a special holographic certification tag.

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Sadly, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. The pre/pro obviously has something strange going on in its front HDMI port. Only you can decide if it's annoying enough to be sent in for repairs, which might or might not actually fix anything.

If there are any video adjustments you can make in the SNES, you might try them. D&M traditionally have had problems with video settings of "Deep Color". I dunno if that might be the case here.
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Yes. Same one which worked with 4 other devices. And also tried a couple other cables.



OK. I have an entire box of cables I could keep trying.... LOL. Project for tonight maybe.


I'm sorry, I'm just stumped and believe there's surely a simple thing I'm just doing wrong somewhere...
Can you bypass the AVR and connect your SNES Classic directly to your tv’s HDMI input? Maybe you have a defective Nintendo unit.
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Does Denon still honor the HDCP 2.2 upgrade for the 7200W models? Can the upgrade be purchased? I'm considering picking up one granted I can upgrade it myself but need the 4k support.
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Does Denon still honor the HDCP 2.2 upgrade for the 7200W models? Can the upgrade be purchased? I'm considering picking up one granted I can upgrade it myself but need the 4k support.
You'll have to contact United Radio, Syracuse, NY and ask them if they still have any kits available.
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Can the 7200 WA process Atmos MAT as it comes from XBOX one and APPLE TV4K ?

Reason i ask, is i have the 8500 in main zone, and the 7200 connected to the HDMI zon2 out, and if i watch XB1X or ATV4K on the 8500(Atmos fully working), and then turn on zone 2, Atmos can no longer be played.

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Can the 7200 WA process Atmos MAT as it comes from XBOX one and APPLE TV4K ?

Reason i ask, is i have the 8500 in main zone, and the 7200 connected to the HDMI zon2 out, and if i watch XB1X or ATV4K on the 8500(Atmos fully working), and then turn on zone 2, Atmos can no longer be played.
Yes it can process it but I don't think you can get Atmos through Zone 2. With Zone 2 set to the same source as the 8500 I think everything gets downgraded to 2 channel PCM. You can try to set Zone 2 for HDMI pass-through but I don't think that will change the outcome.


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Yes it can process it but I don't think you can get Atmos through Zone 2. With Zone 2 set to the same source as the 8500 I think everything gets downgraded to 2 channel PCM. You can try to set Zone 2 for HDMI pass-through but I don't think that will change the outcome.
Actually, as long as the Zone 2 HDMI sink can process Atmos, it will pass via the Zone 2 HDMI Monitor output.
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Actually, as long as the Zone 2 HDMI sink can process Atmos, it will pass via the Zone 2 HDMI Monitor output.
Interesting. Even with the same source being played in both zones?

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Interesting. Even with the same source being played in both zones?
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Well, Today is Monday September the 24th and the Pandora fix for the 7200WA is still nonexistent . Six days to the end of the month (it was supposed to be available on September ... ? ) but there are still 6 more days on the month so , I keep waiting .
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Well, Today is Monday September the 24th and the Pandora fix for the 7200WA is still nonexistent . Six days to the end of the month (it was supposed to be available on September ... ? ) but there are still 6 more days on the month so , I keep waiting .
Please refresh my memory, what is the Pandora issue? I am able to stream my Pandora account without issue on my 7200WA.
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Are you using the same HDMI cable with the devices that work in the front connection? (I.e. I'm wondering if the cable might be at fault).

Another (related) possibility is that the signal level from the SNES might have a marginal amplitude and that the rear ports have a low enough threshold but the front one doesn't. Sometimes this can be compensated for by using a higher quality cable, one with lower attenuation and dispersion. As a result, "Certified Premium" cables often are recommended. They're usually required for 4K signals and work quite well when there are problems at lower bitrates.
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Yes. Same one which worked with 4 other devices. And also tried a couple other cables.

OK. I have an entire box of cables I could keep trying.... LOL. Project for tonight maybe.
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Well, it's explicitly cables with the official rating of "Certified Premium" that I'm referring to so as to avoid the variations found in random "High Speed" cables. They don't cost any more, but they come with a special holographic certification tag.
I'll be honest, I didn't think this would be the solution. But IT WORKS. Using a Monoprice "Certified Premium" cable.

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Actually, as long as the Zone 2 HDMI sink can process Atmos, it will pass via the Zone 2 HDMI Monitor output.
Sure, i have done this for almost 4 years, but like i said, it doesn’t work now with Xbox and ATV4K(Atmos MAT), hence my question.

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I'll be honest, I didn't think this would be the solution. But IT WORKS. Using a Monoprice "Certified Premium" cable.

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The X7200WA has a custom amp assign feature that says " the internal amplifier of this unit is assigned as desired". Does that mean if someone connect the FL,FR,C,SL,SR pre outs to an external amp, then the unused internal FL,FR,C,SL,SR can be re-assigned to any other channels such as the 4 Atmos height channels, surround back channels, zone 2 etc?
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The X7200WA has a custom amp assign feature that says " the internal amplifier of this unit is assigned as desired". Does that mean if someone connect the FL,FR,C,SL,SR pre outs to an external amp, then the unused internal FL,FR,C,SL,SR can be re-assigned to any other channels such as the 4 Atmos height channels, surround back channels, zone 2 etc?
All but the C, SL, SR, HT1L, HT1R can be reassigned. AFAIK, no other model (except the Denon "flagship" models) of any major brand mfr has this capability.

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Yup. AFAIK, no other model (except the Denon "flagship" models) of any major brand mfr has this capability.
Okay, how about this one? For now I only have five speakers (and a sub) and I want to bi-amp all five of them. Can this be done?

Or failing that, how about bi-amping the front and the center speakers (all three)?

(I know you you think bi-amping offers nothing, but I'd still like to know... I do have the FL and FR bi-amped and prefer it that way, but I wouldn't mind doing it with one or more of the others like I used to do with my previous Denon.)
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Okay, how about this one? For now I only have five speakers (and a sub) and I want to bi-amp all five of them. Can this be done?

Or failing that, how about bi-amping the front and the center speakers (all three)?

(I know you you think bi-amping offers nothing, but I'd still like to know... I do have the FL and FR bi-amped and prefer it that way, but I wouldn't mind doing it with one or more of the others like I used to do with my previous Denon.)
No as it's not recommended to connect external and internal amp power to the same speaker and to do it with just internal amp power you would need at least 10 on board amps.

The newer 11CH (X6400H, X6500H) and 13CH (X8500H) models feature 5.1 Bi-amp as an AMP ASSIGN setting.
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All but the C, SL, SR, HT1L, HT1R can be reassigned. AFAIK, no other model (except the Denon "flagship" models) of any major brand mfr has this capability.

Review post 2 in the other X7200W Owner's thread for a table view:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...200-x7200.html
Thank you very much. So that means if I use an external 3 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C using the pre-outs, I can re-assign the FL and FR for the HT1L, HT1L to do 7.1.4, but if I use an external 5 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C,SL,SR, I can still only re-assign the FL and FR because the C, SL, SR will simply sit idle right? By the way, in the HT1L and HT1R columns, the table shows no signal, what does that mean?

If so, the manual is misleading because it does not spell out the restriction on C,SL,SR.

Also, there is a pre-amp option for the amp assign, so if selected the internal amps are supposed to stop operating, is the pre-amp mode then better than Eco ON in terms of power consumption and heat reduction?

Thanks again for clearing up things the manual does not.

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Thank you very much. So that means if I use an external 3 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C using the pre-outs, I can re-assign the FL and FR for the HT1L, HT1L to do 7.1.4, but if I use an external 5 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C,SL,SR, I can still only re-assign the FL and FR because the C, SL, SR will simply sit idle right? By the way, in the HT1L and HT1R columns, the table shows no signal, what does that mean?

If so, the manual is misleading because it does not spell out the restriction on C,SL,SR.

Also, there is a pre-amp option for the amp assign, so if selected the internal amps are supposed to stop operating, is the pre-amp mode then better than Eco ON in terms of power consumption and heat reduction?

Thanks again for clearing up things the manual does not.
1. Correct.
2. It means no signal is sent via those speaker posts in "Custom" mode.
3. "Pre-amp" mode does not disable the amps, rather simply shunts the signal from getting to them.
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Thank you very much. So that means if I use an external 3 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C using the pre-outs, I can re-assign the FL and FR for the HT1L, HT1L to do 7.1.4, but if I use an external 5 channel amp to power the FL,FR,C,SL,SR, I can still only re-assign the FL and FR because the C, SL, SR will simply sit idle right? By the way, in the HT1L and HT1R columns, the table shows no signal, what does that mean?

If so, the manual is misleading because it does not spell out the restriction on C,SL,SR.

Also, there is a pre-amp option for the amp assign, so if selected the internal amps are supposed to stop operating, is the pre-amp mode then better than Eco ON in terms of power consumption and heat reduction?

Thanks again for clearing up things the manual does not.
In principle you can use Y connectors on the receiver's preamp outputs and two external amps for each of the speakers that you want to biamp. If you do it that way, the receiver's own biamp settings are not involved.

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No as it's not recommended to connect external and internal amp power to the same speaker and to do it with just internal amp power you would need at least 10 on board amps.

The newer 11CH (X6400H, X6500H) and 13CH (X8500H) models feature 5.1 Bi-amp as an AMP ASSIGN setting.
Yeah, I kinda forgot how many amplified channels were available. Too bad can't seem to get the three front channels bi-amped though, unless I missed something.

The one other apparently missing feature I thought would be available was the ability to backup the settings somewhere for later reload just in case. (Not quite the same thing, but in my old receiver I was able to save in memory and then later reload my settings the time or two I'd mucked something or other up and couldn't quite figure out what I had done that was wrong. Even something like that would be handy, though so far knock on wood I haven't needed to do that with the 7200.)

Otherwise so far all else is great. Though I was surprised this morning to find my ethernet hard connection had somehow been changed to wi-fi... don't recall doing that myself (but who knows), something to watch. At this point I don't use ethernet much, but sooner or later...
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Yes. Same one which worked with 4 other devices. And also tried a couple other cables.



OK. I have an entire box of cables I could keep trying.... LOL. Project for tonight maybe.


I'm sorry, I'm just stumped and believe there's surely a simple thing I'm just doing wrong somewhere...
Dont beat yourself up. NES and SNES classics dont work on the front port of any Denon models.

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRx6300h/N...SYxchsdjun.php
Last line on that page is the answer.
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The HDMI connector on the front panel supports YCbCr 4:2:0 format only.
this appears on almost EVERY xseries receiver except the 7200, but im pretty sure its true there as well.
the NES/SNES classic devices can only output in RGB color.
The result is its simply incopatable with that port.
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