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Hey all. Has anyone added an external amp or DAC to the 7009 with decent results? I'm wondering if there's a good 2 channel upgrade I can do for critical 2 channel listening, or are the DAC and the stock power good enough?
I've bought a used OPPO BDP-95 specifically for critical 2 channel listening because I couldn't stand listening to music through the Marantz SR7009. The 32-bit SABRE ES9018 Reference Audio DAC's of the OPPO are way better than those of the Marantz. Now I'm finally happy.

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Any amps you recommend?
The natural complements are the Marantz amps:
MM 7025, 2 * 140 W, supply 330 W, 800 USD
MM 7055, 5 * 140 W, supply 660 W, 1200 USD
MM 8077, 7 * 150 W, supply 800 W, 2400 USD

They all have a better power supply than the 7009, which supplies 710 W but for 9 channels

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Hey all. Has anyone added an external amp or DAC to the 7009 with decent results? I'm wondering if there's a good 2 channel upgrade I can do for critical 2 channel listening, or are the DAC and the stock power good enough?
Depending on the size of your room and how loud you prefer to listen to your 2CH music, the SR7009 on board amps should provide more than enough power. Check this out for yourself before spending extra money on an external amp.
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Depending on the size of your room and how loud you prefer to listen to your 2CH music, the SR7009 on board amps should provide more than enough power. Check this out for yourself before spending extra money on an external amp.
For two channel I agree it should meet the 120W rating just fine without the need for an external amplifier.

Here is a review for the SR7008 and SR7010 models with confirmed measurements:

SR7008:

Marantz SR7008 A/V Receiver Test Bench

2 channels continuously driven, 8 ohms (watts @ 0.1% / 1.0% THD): 122.5 / 148.0
2 channels continuously driven, 4 ohms (watts at 0.1% / 1.0% THD): 195.4 / 216.8
5 channels continuously driven, 8 ohms (watts at 0.1% / 1.0% THD): 101.2 / 111.5
7 channels continuously driven, 8 ohms (watts at 0.1% / 1.0% THD): 68.8 / 82.2



Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...v390JRVK1kc.99

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0.1% THD 1.0% THD
2 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads 128.7 watts 168.8 watts
2 Channels Continuously Driven, 4-Ohm Loads 201.7 watts 235.3 watts
5 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads 84.3 watts 113.1 watts
7 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads 83.2 watts 103.4 watts

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...XSaIhtUFZxz.99

I am not sure why the rolloff doesn't occur as fast from 5->7ch in the SR7010 or why they saw more reduction from 2-5ch. The power supplies are listed at 710W for the SR7008/SR7009/SR7010. Perhaps they reduce the voltage rails for the surround channels on the SR7010 when all are enabled or something (purely a guess)...

They didn't have a 9 channel measurement for the SR7010 but I would expect it to drop off with 7->9ch similar to how the SR7008 did from 5-7ch or perhaps a bit more but realistically receivers don't ever have all 9 channels driven in movies anyway...

At any rate if we take the worst of each measurements from the SR7008/SR7010 I would expect the SR7009 to meet them.

External amps are fun but they do add a lot of cost and complexity. For the cost if you do get an external amplifier and you like home theater it might as well be a 5ch because the incremental cost per channel per watt is lower for the 5ch amp vs the stereo amp.

I have gone a bit crazy with external amplifiers and had to break down my equipment for new carpet a few weeks ago and the pile of cables to get 11ch of external amplification was crazy...

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I feel like I'm going crazy.

I could swear at some point in the last few weeks I found a "center spread" function on the SR7009. I liked its effect, particularly for stereo music when I put it in surround mode, didn't collapse the sound all into the center but kept the sound stage wider.

Now for the life of me I can't seem to find the setting. And the manual says nothing about it that I can find either.

I found something about "center gain" feature. Is that what I was using? I don't think so because I seem to remember the "center spread" was either on or off, and I think I was using Dolby surround, not Neo:X, and the center gain seems to have a number that can make it more or less pronounced.

Was I just imagining the "center spread" thing?

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I feel like I'm going crazy.

I could swear at some point in the last few weeks I found a "center spread" function on the SR7009. I liked its effect, particularly for stereo music when I put it in surround mode, didn't collapse the sound all into the center but kept the sound stage wider.

Now for the life of me I can't seem to find the setting. And the manual says nothing about it that I can find either.

I found something about "center gain" feature. Is that what I was using? I don't think so because I seem to remember the "center spread" was either on or off, and I think I was using Dolby surround, not Neo:X, and the center gain seems to have a number that can make it more or less pronounced.

Was I just imagining the "center spread" thing?

I have 7.1 speaker setup.

Center Gain (DTS Neo:X) and Center Spread (Dolby Surround) are both listed on p. 193 of the Owner's manual.

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I also like center Spread ON a lot on stereo music

To extend on JDSmoothie response, it is an available option when the source is 2.0 and Dolby Surround ON.
Then go in the "audio => surround parameter" menu, you will find the setting there ...

The issue i have on my side is that the option is set to ON. Still, if i switch from a source to another it will go OFF, even if the menu item says ON, so then i have to set it OFF and ON again to re-activate it. Looks like a small bug to me

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Center Gain (DTS Neo:X) and Center Spread (Dolby Surround) are both listed on p. 193 of the Owner's manual.

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I also like center Spread ON a lot on stereo music

To extend on JDSmoothie response, it is an available option when the source is 2.0 and Dolby Surround ON.
Then go in the "audio => surround parameter" menu, you will find the setting there ...

The issue i have on my side is that the option is set to ON. Still, if i switch from a source to another it will go OFF, even if the menu item says ON, so then i have to set it OFF and ON again to re-activate it. Looks like a small bug to me
I figured it out. The Center Gain was on page 183 of my PDF manual... if must have been pretty old. And it said nothing about center spread.

I got the latest manual from the website - and there it was on page 193!

I think I read about the latest version of manual having sections about Auro-3D. The old one I was looking at didn't.

So there you go. Pilot error. I found it last night on the actual unit as well... I'd been looking for it earlier with a movie playing a 5.1 soundtrack. When I put a CD in with stereo, there it was! Center Spread!

Any comments on what people think of Center Spread vs. Neo:X's Center Gain mode? I toyed around with them and liked the adjustability of the Center Gain, but in the end the Center Spead was pleasing and simpler. But I didn't really give them a good listen.

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I've bought a used OPPO BDP-95 specifically for critical 2 channel listening because I couldn't stand listening to music through the Marantz SR7009. The 32-bit SABRE ES9018 Reference Audio DAC's of the OPPO are way better than those of the Marantz. Now I'm finally happy.

Curious how you route to the oppo? How is it connected, and how do you play the music?


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Any comments on what people think of Center Spread vs. Neo:X's Center Gain mode? I toyed around with them and liked the adjustability of the Center Gain, but in the end the Center Spead was pleasing and simpler. But I didn't really give them a good listen.

I like Neo:X for movies and music. Does this center gain or spread sound better in movies too?? I haven't explored this feature yet.

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I use the OPPO BDP-95 only for 2 channel music and another BDP-103D only for movies. The BDP-95 is connected directly to the second HDMI input of my projector and through RCA analogue stereo interconnects /Chord Cadenza Reference/ to the two front channel Pre Out's of the Marantz SR7009. I'm not sure why it is the Pre Out's and not the multichannel inputs, but I don't get any sound when connected to the multichannel inputs. When connected to the Pre Out's, the volume knob of the SR7009 becomes inactive and the volume is controlled directly by the OPPO. Lately I've been using more and more the android app to control the OPPO, so that I don't have to use the projector every time I want to listen to 2 channel music.
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I use the OPPO BDP-95 only for 2 channel music and another BDP-103D only for movies. The BDP-95 is connected directly to the second HDMI input of my projector and through RCA analogue stereo interconnects /Chord Cadenza Reference/ to the two front channel Pre Out's of the Marantz SR7009. I'm not sure why it is the Pre Out's and not the multichannel inputs, but I don't get any sound when connected to the multichannel inputs. When connected to the Pre Out's, the volume knob of the SR7009 becomes inactive and the volume is controlled directly by the OPPO. Lately I've been using more and more the android app to control the OPPO, so that I don't have to use the projector every time I want to listen to 2 channel music.
wait, what? You connect the analog multichannel outputs of the oppo to the pre out(s) of the SR7009? Are you sure that HDMI (perhaps via CEC or ARC) is not providing the sound with this setup?

Sorry, I do not think this is a helpful post but I am curious about the last posted setup if I am understanding it correctly that is.

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wait, what? You connect the analog multichannel outputs of the oppo to the pre out(s) of the SR7009? Are you sure that HDMI (perhaps via CEC or ARC) is not providing the sound with this setup?

Sorry, I do not think this is a helpful post but I am curious about the last posted setup if I am understanding it correctly that is.
Yes, I was also stunned that it's possible, but that's how they are connected. There is no HDMI cable connected to the receiver. I'm using the dedicated stereo audio outputs of the OPPO BDP-95. I've replicatated the same connection with my old SR7005.

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Yes, I was also stunned that it's possible, but that's how they are connected. There is no HDMI cable connected to the receiver. I'm using the dedicated stereo audio outputs of the OPPO BDP-95. I've replicatated the same connection with my old SR7005.
that is weird, wild stuff right there. As long as it works for your setup without issues, who cares right?

So no surround sound then?

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that is weird, wild stuff right there. As long as it works for your setup without issues, who cares right?

So no surround sound then?
It certainly appears that way, just surround on the 103D...

I have an older DVD player which during it's time was considered great for playing music. I guess I'll put it out of the storage closet grave yard, and see how well it performs with 2 channel music.

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new set up...

first off...many, many thanks in advance!

i've been looking for a receiver and my wife cut my search short by giving me a present: marantz sr7009.
for all the negative/positives i've read over the past pages...i'm pretty excited.

i'll be watching movies/tv-cable box/netflix/listening to quite a bit of music from several sources.
main source will be a technics sl-1300mk2 phonograph. pretty excited about this, actually.

i've included a somewhat to scale plan of the living room and a pic of the wall where the tv hangs.
it's pretty bare as we're redecorating. woot!
the shape of the room makes me want to stick to a 3.1 system. (LCR and sub)

any advice on what speakers i ought to go with?
i'm getting antsy and want to get things going.
;->

any advice you lot might have would be greatly appreciated.

i know the first reply will be how much i want to spend.
thing is...i don't even know what the state of speakers is...much less the pricing at each level of quality.
i don't want bottom of the barrel speakers, and i certainly don't want to invoke the wrath of my kids as i delve into their college funds for $10k speakers. so, whatever you've got...i'd love to hear.
i'll be posting this exact reply as a thread in the speaker forum...
but, i wanted it here, as well, to get your opinions as to what works well with this particular receiver.
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first off...many, many thanks in advance!

i've been looking for a receiver and my wife cut my search short by giving me a present: marantz sr7009.
for all the negative/positives i've read over the past pages...i'm pretty excited.

i'll be watching movies/tv-cable box/netflix/listening to quite a bit of music from several sources.
main source will be a technics sl-1300mk2 phonograph. pretty excited about this, actually.

i've included a somewhat to scale plan of the living room and a pic of the wall where the tv hangs.
it's pretty bare as we're redecorating. woot!
the shape of the room makes me want to stick to a 3.1 system. (LCR and sub)

any advice on what speakers i ought to go with?
i'm getting antsy and want to get things going.
;->

any advice you lot might have would be greatly appreciated.

i know the first reply will be how much i want to spend.
thing is...i don't even know what the state of speakers is...much less the pricing at each level of quality.
i don't want bottom of the barrel speakers, and i certainly don't want to invoke the wrath of my kids as i delve into their college funds for $10k speakers. so, whatever you've got...i'd love to hear.
i'll be posting this exact reply as a thread in the speaker forum...
but, i wanted it here, as well, to get your opinions as to what works well with this particular receiver.
One thing to avoid would be highly efficient speakers. (> ~ 95 dB sensitivity). It's easy to get into a situation where there's audible hiss.

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that is weird, wild stuff right there. As long as it works for your setup without issues, who cares right?

So no surround sound then?
There is a signal path from the preout to the amplifiers. The RC networks are a bit different but they are indeed connected.

The preout is the signal from the output of the tone/mute controls and sometimes a small opamp gain stage of about 6d which connects to the amplifier and to the preouts.

The normal analog and digital inputs are buffered and tone controlled through a R2A15220FP IC.

I have driven a signal on the preouts in order to test that the amplifiers work on a "no sound" AVR but wouldn't want to run that way all the time.

If the preouts and normal sources are driven at the same time that could cause a problem so this really isn't something I would recommend doing.

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first off...many, many thanks in advance!

i've been looking for a receiver and my wife cut my search short by giving me a present: marantz sr7009.
for all the negative/positives i've read over the past pages...i'm pretty excited.

i'll be watching movies/tv-cable box/netflix/listening to quite a bit of music from several sources.
main source will be a technics sl-1300mk2 phonograph. pretty excited about this, actually.

i've included a somewhat to scale plan of the living room and a pic of the wall where the tv hangs.
it's pretty bare as we're redecorating. woot!
the shape of the room makes me want to stick to a 3.1 system. (LCR and sub)

any advice on what speakers i ought to go with?
i'm getting antsy and want to get things going.
;->

any advice you lot might have would be greatly appreciated.

i know the first reply will be how much i want to spend.
thing is...i don't even know what the state of speakers is...much less the pricing at each level of quality.
i don't want bottom of the barrel speakers, and i certainly don't want to invoke the wrath of my kids as i delve into their college funds for $10k speakers. so, whatever you've got...i'd love to hear.
i'll be posting this exact reply as a thread in the speaker forum...
but, i wanted it here, as well, to get your opinions as to what works well with this particular receiver.
That room has an interesting shape. I assume you lay on the couch to listen/watch? Otherwise you'd get a nice crick in the neck!

I'm running my Marantz SR7009 with Bowers and Wilkins 683 speakers and an SVS SB2000 subwoofer for 2.1. I'm running a 7.1 but have the B&W in the front. I've been really enjoying them. I auditioned Monitor Audio Silver, KEF Q series, and Paradigm. Paradigm I really liked too, Monitor Audio and KEF not as much, but heard KEF R series are a real step up.

Where the heck did you also post this question, can you link to the speakers forum post? I was going to go there to see what others said, out of curiosity

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first off...many, many thanks in advance!

i've been looking for a receiver and my wife cut my search short by giving me a present: marantz sr7009.
for all the negative/positives i've read over the past pages...i'm pretty excited.

i'll be watching movies/tv-cable box/netflix/listening to quite a bit of music from several sources.
main source will be a technics sl-1300mk2 phonograph. pretty excited about this, actually.

i've included a somewhat to scale plan of the living room and a pic of the wall where the tv hangs.
it's pretty bare as we're redecorating. woot!
the shape of the room makes me want to stick to a 3.1 system. (LCR and sub)

any advice on what speakers i ought to go with?
i'm getting antsy and want to get things going.
;->

any advice you lot might have would be greatly appreciated.

i know the first reply will be how much i want to spend.
thing is...i don't even know what the state of speakers is...much less the pricing at each level of quality.
i don't want bottom of the barrel speakers, and i certainly don't want to invoke the wrath of my kids as i delve into their college funds for $10k speakers. so, whatever you've got...i'd love to hear.
i'll be posting this exact reply as a thread in the speaker forum...
but, i wanted it here, as well, to get your opinions as to what works well with this particular receiver.
That room is going to be acoustically challenging to say the least. The SR-7009 has Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT Room EQualization (REQ) algorithms that will help in dealing with your odd shape room, but don't expect miracles. You might want to look at room treatments to help improve the sound quality.

Take note that the ideal stereo separation is when an equilateral triangle is formed between the front left, front right and the Main Listening Position (MLP). It doesn't look like you have that at the moment.

One doesn't have to spend a lot to get good sound reproduction. The Andrew Jones ELAC Uni-Fi B5 bookshelves + a pair of good subs from Internet Direct (ID) companies are an interesting combination that wont break the bank.

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thanks

thanks for the replies, everyone.

i've read nothing but speaker reviews for the past several days.
honestly, i think it's made it even worse!
ha.
so many seemingly great products out there.

given the room size/dimensions, the *WAF*, the avr and the fact that i'm keeping down to a 3.1...
it still hasn't been easy.
but, of what i've seen i'd love opinions as to how everyone might consider these for this particular avr and room...

as of now i've mostly been concentrating on LR channels unless the center is obvious. for a noob like me to notice, anyway.

1. paradigm millenia series combo (a center channel, wall lp [xl or 2] or ones 3.0) and other brand sub
2. b&w cm5 s2 (a center channel from who knows where + sub from who knows where yet)
3. kef ls50 + center, sub form who knows where
4. revel m16 + center, sub same as above
5. imagine w1 for lrc + sub from not sure where
6. not sure what to think of the philharmonitors. but, they seem snazzy.
7. wharfedale denton bookshelf. they just seem economical.
8. the martin logan slm series
9. bw htm61 s2 looks pretty decent as a center, too...
10. waiting out the new elacs from andrew jones coming april 4th.

so, as you can see that's basically a list of products that have caught my eye in one way or another.
again, i'm new to all of this so i'm trying to take in as much as i can.

any suggestions/comments of *any* stripe would be greatly appreciated, everyone!!!
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Anyone know how to include 4 x ceiling speakers in a 2 channel music output, multi channel only outputs to the 7 channels, can only get all 11.1 channels in surround mode which doesn't work well as it seperates the vocals to the centre channels and the rest are faint

Any help?

I was told to set the SETUP - AUDIO - SURROUND PARAMETER - SPEAKER SELECT = Floor + Height

This won't work as after "Surround Parameter" I don't get a speaker select option only

Cinema EQ
Loudness Management
Dynamic Compression
Centre Spread

I'm lost

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Anyone know how to include 4 x ceiling speakers in a 2 channel music output, multi channel only outputs to the 7 channels, can only get all 11.1 channels in surround mode which doesn't work well as it seperates the vocals to the centre channels and the rest are faint

Any help?

I was told to set the SETUP - AUDIO - SURROUND PARAMETER - SPEAKER SELECT = Floor + Height

This won't work as after "Surround Parameter" I don't get a speaker select option only

Cinema EQ
Loudness Management
Dynamic Compression
Centre Spread

I'm lost
Try selecting MOVIE - Multi CH Stereo first.
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Try selecting MOVIE - Multi CH Stereo first.
You know what JD - your absolutely right that worked - just the job thanks pal

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You know what JD - your absolutely right that worked - just the job thanks pal
Yup. This isn't my first rodeo.
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Yup. This isn't my first rodeo.
that's exactly what i wanted to hear from someone!!!
maybe you can give me a hand narrowing down some choices of speakers?

aside from several of my posts a few posts up...would you be able to help guide me in the right direction of speaker selection?
should i stick to speakers touted as having atmos for future-proofing my build out?
currently, i'm only going to be installing a 3.1 system.

any help you experts may have would be greatly appreciated!

thanks, everyone...
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that's exactly what i wanted to hear from someone!!!
maybe you can give me a hand narrowing down some choices of speakers?

aside from several of my posts a few posts up...would you be able to help guide me in the right direction of speaker selection?
should i stick to speakers touted as having atmos for future-proofing my build out?
currently, i'm only going to be installing a 3.1 system.

any help you experts may have would be greatly appreciated!

thanks, everyone...
Do not hesitate to order speakers, AVR or any other electronics from JDSmoothie. It was a pleasure to work with him when I purchased my Marantz SR7009 over a year ago. Great service and quick shipping.

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that's exactly what i wanted to hear from someone!!!
maybe you can give me a hand narrowing down some choices of speakers?

aside from several of my posts a few posts up...would you be able to help guide me in the right direction of speaker selection?
should i stick to speakers touted as having atmos for future-proofing my build out?
currently, i'm only going to be installing a 3.1 system.

any help you experts may have would be greatly appreciated!

thanks, everyone...
Its all about the budget, room size, amp size

First set your budget, then look for speakers that are rated higher than the amp you run them on, 200w speakers will sound better on a 100w amp than 100W speakers as they are not working their nuts off as a rule

then do some homework - look for new speakers that are out of your price range then go and find some pre loved ones that are in your budget (unless you have disposable income) then buy what you want

Once you narrow it down go to a store of friends and listen to them

Then when you are happy with how they sound pick the ones that look fabulous, speakers are 50% sound quality and 50% aesthetics - you will not be happy if they sound great and look mediocre

As for Atmos speakers - are you going to put them in your ceiling ? if so there no such thing you just need some decent ceiling speakers with good range and preferably adjustable tweeters so you can aim them at the listening area, if you don't want the hassle of putting them in your ceiling you can get Atmos up-fireing speakers that sit on top of your FL FR BL BR speakers and fire the sound up so that it bounces off the ceiling, I can't comment on these as I have not heard them I have installed 4 ceiling speakers but the reviews say they are not bad.

I am no expert but have had similar to the above guidance and its steered me well

If its opinions and help you want you will find it in buckets here good luck

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Its all about the budget, room size, amp size

First set your budget, then look for speakers that are rated higher than the amp you run them on, 200w speakers will sound better on a 100w amp than 100W speakers as they are not working their nuts off as a rule

then do some homework - look for new speakers that are out of your price range then go and find some pre loved ones that are in your budget (unless you have disposable income) then buy what you want

Once you narrow it down go to a store of friends and listen to them

Then when you are happy with how they sound pick the ones that look fabulous, speakers are 50% sound quality and 50% aesthetics - you will not be happy if they sound great and look mediocre

As for Atmos speakers - are you going to put them in your ceiling ? if so there no such thing you just need some decent ceiling speakers with good range and preferably adjustable tweeters so you can aim them at the listening area, if you don't want the hassle of putting them in your ceiling you can get Atmos up-fireing speakers that sit on top of your FL FR BL BR speakers and fire the sound up so that it bounces off the ceiling, I can't comment on these as I have not heard them I have installed 4 ceiling speakers but the reviews say they are not bad.

I am no expert but have had similar to the above guidance and its steered me well

If its opinions and help you want you will find it in buckets here good luck
superslim...
thanks!
i mean this quite genuinely: 0f all the replies to any of my posts seeking info....that was without a doubt the most useful.
thank you.

i'm new to all of this so i'm probably asking boring questions.
so, i appreciate pretty much anyone who has read me...much less taken the time to respond!
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i've been reading as many of the stickies and faqs as i can.
not to mention speaker reviews up the ying yang.
but, i'm learning.
so, thanks!
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^j7f,

Due to your odd shape room, I would concentrate initially on getting the bass frequencies (15Hz to 300Hz) right. If you haven't done so, carry out a sub crawl test to identify a few good locations to place the subs.

A pair of good subs from the following Internet Direct (ID) sub companies are regularly mentioned here at AVS.

(1) SVS;
(2) HSU;
(3) Rythmik;
(4) PSA; and
(5) Reaction Audio.

Be prepared to spend a bit more on the good subs (a pair is always better than one) than the speakers. The general rule is 2/3rd on speakers and the remaining 1/3rd on electronics. Of the speakers cost, the subs should be around same the cost as the rest of the speakers. Remember that bass frequencies are the foundation of good sound reproduction and getting this right is important. Good subs (just like good speakers) will last for years, compared to electronics that constantly go out of fashion every year.

Once you've heard good accurate bass, it's hard to go back to the one note boom boxes available from the HTIB world where distortion and nauseating noise is their signature.

As advised by Superslim, have a budget and do some research on the ID sub companies. The good thing about the ID sub companies is they do home trials. This is important as every room is different so the bass response will vary from room to room.

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