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AFAIK, when it is formalized for consumer AVRs, yes, that is the expectation.
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But typically the DAC audio specs are identical. So other than specmanship, does it matter?

So some of the 8802's higher cost is for Japanese labor, not all of it is due to parts. Good to know.
Question for the group - and I hope this is the right place to ask my question:
I'm considering buying either a Denon X5200 or one of the Marantz pre/pros to use with a prospective full ("pro") Trinnov unit, especially if the Trinnov Altitude's 16 channel version with 3D codec support will be potentially be priced near or above Datasat RS20i territory (e.g. $20K+). Would the Marantz offer me any particular advantage due to the DAC or XLR pre-outs over a Denon X5200 (24-bit DAC) or X7200 (32-bit DAC) unit, with amps that I wouldn't be using in this scenario? Currently I have a 7.1 PSB-based system, with two HSU ULS-15 subs, but I would add four channels to have either a 7.1.4 or potentially in the long run a 9.1.4 system when technology permits. Managing multiple subs to be EQ'd as one would be done with either my MiniDSP or through the Trinnov unit, price permitting.

Also, if I needed to have analog pre-outs to feed into a Trinnov MC or Magnitude unit (which might have either XLR or analog DB25 connectors depending on what unit I went for), if I have a roughly 6 foot run of the cables, is there any advantage to having an XLR pre-out vs. an RCA pre-out? The assumption is that I'm looking to move into adding Dolby Atmos, UHD etc. as they become available by firmware upgrades, and that the MC/Magnitude units will eventually support a flavor of Trinnov Remapping to the relevant 3D Codec's ideal placement (if that makes any sense).

Basically I'd be wanting to minimize potential A/D/A conversion issues. Not ideal, but certainly more cost efficient than the gold standard all-digital HDMI path I'd use with the uber-expensive (as opposed to merely expensive) Altitude. I'd be picking up either two multichannel amps TBD to replace my existing Denon 4311 AVR's functionality for amping the system.
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I wanted to "start over" with the subs setup and noticed that BassQ's great uniformity over the 6 seats came at a price regarding impact (punch) and headroom.
Do you think that's due to different freq resp, and/or insufficient subwoofage, or something in the nature of BassQ's... I forget what it's called, soundfield something.

Gotta run, will PM you later about BassQ possibly being of benefit for my situation.

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But typically the DAC audio specs are identical. So other than specmanship, does it matter?

So some of the 8802's higher cost is for Japanese labor, not all of it is due to parts. Good to know.
Touche, good point.

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Do you think that's due to different freq resp, and/or insufficient subwoofage, or something in the nature of BassQ's... I forget what it's called, soundfield something.
I think the impact issue was a consequence of how the 4 subs were tuned to achieve the "SFM" at the upper end of the sub range where the room modes are worst. (The sound field management is a simpler algorithm in BassQ than in full blown ARCOS service).

I did not try re-calibrating BassQ to a smaller seating footprint, as that may have achieved a similar positive tradeoff for the MLP area.

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I didn't know Emotiva is Dirac less, I thought they were getting it.
Frank, the XMC-1 SSP was released couple weeks ago. Without Dirac Live EE (Emo Edition), but! ...they said that with a firmware update it will, ...have Dirac. ...By mid-September @ the latest (within 60 days of its official release date; the date the XMC-1 was released, two weeks ago).

And! The XMC-1 does not have Dolby Atmos. And! It won't get a firmware update to get it.

What is interesting here is this: The Marantz AV8802 SSP - The Marantz AV7702 SSP -
And also the Emotiva XMC-1 SSP -- (Prices, respectively and roughly "list":$2,000 - $4,000 - And $2,000)

Now, you Frank, live in Australia, and I knew that for many years by the way.
* You can subscribe to buying people's products and also to people's words.

And! Buying the Marantz AV8802 (if you do) in Australia, is probably more expensive in your own continent then here in North America (USA because Canadian price sucks!). ...And now it seems that September-October is a no go for Denon/Marantz Dolby Atmos equipped products. ...Or did I read differently?
* I bet it's good news for Onkyo/Integra Dolby Atmos equipped products.

[The XMC-1: I don't know, and I wouldn't; from Australia, ...there are no service centers so you need real nerves of steel.]

And! If you are following the latest on Emotiva's front (I do, and for many years), they almost (atmos) have a very interesting alternative with a nice parametric EQ and @ a $2,000 price point.
{But for now it has no Dirac Live EE, and will never get Dolby Atmos.}

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Question for the group - and I hope this is the right place to ask my question:
I'm considering buying either a Denon X5200 or one of the Marantz pre/pros to use with a prospective full ("pro") Trinnov unit, especially if the Trinnov Altitude's 16 channel version with 3D codec support will be potentially be priced near or above Datasat RS20i territory (e.g. $20K+). Would the Marantz offer me any particular advantage due to the DAC or XLR pre-outs over a Denon X5200 (24-bit DAC) or X7200 (32-bit DAC) unit, with amps that I wouldn't be using in this scenario? Currently I have a 7.1 PSB-based system, with two HSU ULS-15 subs, but I would add four channels to have either a 7.1.4 or potentially in the long run a 9.1.4 system when technology permits. Managing multiple subs to be EQ'd as one would be done with either my MiniDSP or through the Trinnov unit, price permitting.

Also, if I needed to have analog pre-outs to feed into a Trinnov MC or Magnitude unit (which might have either XLR or analog DB25 connectors depending on what unit I went for), if I have a roughly 6 foot run of the cables, is there any advantage to having an XLR pre-out vs. an RCA pre-out? The assumption is that I'm looking to move into adding Dolby Atmos, UHD etc. as they become available by firmware upgrades, and that the MC/Magnitude units will eventually support a flavor of Trinnov Remapping to the relevant 3D Codec's ideal placement (if that makes any sense).

Basically I'd be wanting to minimize potential A/D/A conversion issues. Not ideal, but certainly more cost efficient than the gold standard all-digital HDMI path I'd use with the uber-expensive (as opposed to merely expensive) Altitude. I'd be picking up either two multichannel amps TBD to replace my existing Denon 4311 AVR's functionality for amping the system.
I like everything you mentioned above; your search for excellence in acoustics and psychoacoustics surround sound highest elevation and best overall envelopment.

The guy (or the gal) who is going to give you the best answer; hasn't been born yet. ...Or I just don't know where he/she is hiding.

I could make a tentative @ it, but I won't. ...Tomorrow morning perhaps ... Sorry about that mate, Stuart.

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I bet you wouldn't tell a squirrel jumping from a tree branch to another... ...32 vs 24

- Component Video: Was dat!
- Rear USB: I'm already full of them!
- Stereo XLR inputs: Wow, looks cool. ...RCA sounds the exact same.
...Besides, I'm not like 50 feet from my TT.
- HDMI/HML: That too I already got!
- GUI: Does that make the thing sounds superior! ...And Component Video I don't know what it is (don't have any). ...Any good for 3D? ...And 4K?

♦ A front panel display the AV7702 it has. ...Besides, GUI always contaminate sound quality.

* Gold looks good (rear connector jacks), but I put my SSP facing from the front, so that I can see the water from the "hublot" (sailing ship port hole). And I clean my jacks anyway once in a blue moon.

Anything else the AV8802 has?
+1...
I love the idea of a flagship model with Audiophile aspirations, but for the same reasons I opted for the Denon 4520 as it gave me the best HT bits, and I use a stereo amp for the critical listening sessions.

I like the Made in Japan part, and possibly the additional toroidal transformer, plus more copper, but a grand is a lot to pay for these features.
I could use that to pay for the power amp instead...

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Hi,

The new Marantz AV8802 relacing the actual AV8801 has been announced, it's a 13.2 XLR processor, HDMI 2.0 ISF video and Wifi + Bluetooth integrated, with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and an Audyssey Pro capacity. Indicated Public Price : 3800€... on the high side compared to the 8801 listed at @ 2800€.

See details here :

http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-14423...e-lav8801.html (in French)




and for information to be compared to Denon's AVR-X7200W rear panel :



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That is disturbing that the Denon and Marantz are so much alike
This is the first thing I noticed too. Even the screw placements are the same. Seems to me theyre designed and built by the same manufacturer. Sees like Denon will be staying out of the pre-pro market a little longer.

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Seems to me theyre designed and built by the same manufacturer.
this may be news to you but they are the same manufacturer, the same company - D&M Holding. Denon & Marantz are branded companies both part of D&M.

this is not new news, it's been known for a long time that the 2 company's designs share same platforms & designs, even most of the exact same circuit boards with some differences in feature sets. also, Denon uses opamps (one chip preamps) while Marantz uses its proprietary HDAM modules for preamps with discrete components.

Denon's last prepro was the $7500 AVP of about 5-6 years ago.

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This is the first thing I noticed too. Even the screw placements are the same. Seems to me theyre designed and built by the same manufacturer. Sees like Denon will be staying out of the pre-pro market a little longer.
Not identical; the pre-out jacks aren't in the same locations, other connectors differently placed as well.

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Weighting my options here......

What would be value of a year old Marantz 8801 currently? Pondering selling unit and picking up 8802 later versions with Atmos..........

Yup, money being thrown out the door again.........or throwing darts blindly!


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What would be value of a year old Marantz 8801 currently? Pondering selling unit and picking up 8802 later versions with Atmos..........
Audiogon seller asking $2200. N'other one $2050.

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When you know that margins for AV receivers from Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Yamaha.... and the likes are 50 points profit margin.

Then you can figure that worst than a car as soon as you pay for that brand new shinny AV receiver or pre/pro the real value is already divided by two so it hurts

Now if you keep an AV pre/pro five plus years like a high end pre/pro then you amortize it a bit more other wise you loose your shirt!

Now, I intend to keep my gear for a minumum of ten years that way I won't feel so bad.

Also a word of advice never pay the full price everything, and I mean everything is negotiable!
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Audiogon seller asking $2200. N'other one $2050.
Yep, that's in the range they're selling for on ebay http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...temCondition=4

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Audiogon seller asking $2200. N'other one $2050.

How much is HDAM worth to you?
Thanks Roger,

HDAM..........not much, but if I was an electrical engineer I would know better.

What is important to me are connects ie XLR.........and of course ability for minimum 9.2.4.......
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I would love to keep up with the latest Marantz AV880x model and have Atmos and all that. My AV8801 is still brand-new never-powered-up, could probably sell for decent price (I guess). However I only have 5.1 set-up. I may try to add 2 rear height speakers though (If I can find the right wireless solution?).
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Thanks Roger,

HDAM..........not much, but if I was an electrical engineer I would know better.
Its significance may have diminished since it was first introduced in early CD players. Opamps are not so bad these days.

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Me too. I will save $1000 and go for the 7702.

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As previously mentioned, all 2014/2015 D&M Atmos units are scheduled to be released with Atmos pre-loaded, to include the 8802, starting with the SR7009 and AV7702 in Sep.
You are right, Dolby Atmos will be on the AV8802, hard to imagine why not if the lower 7702 gets it, this straight from the donkey's xxx:

http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster...by%20Atmos.pdf

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Marantz Unveils New AV Receiver and Preamp/Processor for Dolby Atmos Sound

SR7009 and AV7702 to deliver award-winning Dolby Atmos multi-dimensional sound

Mahwah, NJ June 23rd, 2014 – Marantz, a leading manufacturer of premium home and personal audio
products, today announced the newest line of AVR’s developed to deliver captivating, multi-dimensional sound
with Dolby Atmos. Expected to be available in September, the SR7009 and the AV7702 (October) models will
be the first Marantz products to feature Dolby Atmos
Just took my PR-SC5509 off Audiogon, the steep authorized prices on the AV8801 are not justifiable for me, then I had not the best of luck with a Marantz refurb not so long ago.

AV8801 not good enough just for the analog HDAMs, better save up for the 8802 and 4 more Paradigm Signatures and be upgrade proof for a few more years, don't get me wrong I am an audiophile but I love my movies too.

Oh and I want it like this

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I doubt the 8802 is upgrade proof either. Not with manufacturers forcing you to choose between HDMI 2.0 with Enhanced Copy Protection or HDMI 2.0 with high bandwidth.

And it's expected the 8802 will still be limited to 11.2 max channels.
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You are right, Dolby Atmos will be on the AV8802, hard to imagine why not if the lower 7702 gets it, this straight from the donkey's xxx:

http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster...by%20Atmos.pdf



Just took my PR-SC5509 off Audiogon, the steep authorized prices on the AV8801 are not justifiable for me, then I had not the best of luck with a Marantz refurb not so long ago.

AV8801 not good enough just for the analog HDAMs, better save up for the 8802 and 4 more Paradigm Signatures and be upgrade proof for a few more years, don't get me wrong I am an audiophile but I love my movies too.

Oh and I want it like this

It looks nice. I like the increased ventilation. It looks like the got rid of the useless copper plate and Ethernet bridge (on the 8801) anyway.


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Me too. I will save $1000 and go for the 7702.
Very well replied.

* Regarding 9.2.4 with the AV8802; so far no go, and we won't know for sure if ever it will be implemented.
So, 7.1.4 (or 9.1.2) is what seems to be the actual numeros. ...And the .1 in the middle is still one sub channel, even if you are using sixteen subs in your room. ...Marketing strategy, nothing more...
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And regarding the price of the AV8802 => 3 800 Euros. ...Possibly in January 2015.

And the AV7702 => 2 000 Euros. ...Possibly in November 2014.

* Marantz AV7702 & AV8802

<> 1 Euro = 1.34 US Dollar. ...But in North America we don't know yet the MSRP (US & Canada), or unless someone here knows.

And if we use the above Euro prices as an indicative price in our continent, the AV8802 is almost twice as expensive than the AV7702.
...By 1,800 Euros, which is enormously more. ...Roughly $2,000 USD more. And if you do the conversion, even more!
-> In Canada and Australia it's going to be 'stratospherically' much more expensive to get those HDAM modules from the 8802, and them 32-bit DACs. ...For what; 1% better sound quality? ...And if you have those golden ears from them pure 12-years old kids. ...How old are you?

Me? ...Sixty. ...You?

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Other way around ... AV7702 in Nov and AV8802 in Jan/Feb. The USA MSRP of the AV7701 was $1699 and the AV8801 - $3599 so roughly $2000 difference and likely to be similar difference with the AV7702 likely to be $1899 and the AV8802 likely $3899.
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It looks nice. I like the increased ventilation. It looks like the got rid of the useless copper plate and Ethernet bridge (on the 8801) anyway.


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How about being able to shut off video processing and all that unnecessary heat?
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Other way around ... AV7702 in Nov and AV8802 in Jan/Feb. The USA MSRP of the AV7701 was $1699 and the AV8801 - $3599 so roughly $2000 difference and likely to be similar difference with the AV7702 likely to be $1899 and the AV8802 likely $3899.
Thx jd; fixed.

* And you're right about the price difference between those two models; roughly $2,000 USD difference.
...Last year models, and this year models.

Few people mentioned $1,000 but it is more like $2,000 indeed. ...Makes the 7702 even more desirable.

My guess, @ the beginning; 7702 street price => $1,599-1,699 (later, on sale, perhaps $1,499).
And the 8802 => $3,299-3,499 (later, on sale, perhaps $3,099).

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Hi,

The Onkyo PR-SC5530, a competitor to the Marantz 8802?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post25225922

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Onkyo PR-SC5530 is $2500 and has XLR inputs which the Marantz 7702 doesn't have.

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How about being able to shut off video processing and all that unnecessary heat?
Best SSP is a straight wire, with gain; a bypass of everything video, GUI display, light bulbs, Ethernet, Internet, HD Radio, and when using digital connections it shuts down the analog stage and vice versa.

Having the option of shutting down all that isn't needed is the best to go for serious audiophiles and videophiles.

And when engaging Audyssey with Dolby Atmos, a switch to switch off video processing (HDMI from your source directly to your display, and another HDMI from the same source, Oppo for example, just for multichannel audio to your pre/pro), to switch off the display, all the lights, the onscreen display, ...one by one, is the way to go.

Any SSP doing that? ...Should not cost much @ all to have that type of switch; just get rid of the video processors, or wait till the Emotiva XMC-1 is fully implemented with Dirac Live LE (Limited Edition), and in its second generation with Dolby Atmos. ...XMC-1 DrLvLE v.2
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And regarding the price of the AV8802 => 3 800 Euros. ...Possibly in January 2015.

And the AV7702 => 2 000 Euros. ...Possibly in November 2014.

* Marantz AV7702 & AV8802

<> 1 Euro = 1.34 US Dollar. ...But in North America we don't know yet the MSRP (US & Canada), or unless someone here knows.

And if we use the above Euro prices as an indicative price in our continent, the AV8802 is almost twice as expensive than the AV7702.
...By 1,800 Euros, which is enormously more. ...Roughly $2,000 USD more. And if you do the conversion, even more!
-> In Canada and Australia it's going to be 'stratospherically' much more expensive to get those HDAM modules from the 8802, and them 32-bit DACs. ...For what; 1% better sound quality? ...And if you have those golden ears from them pure 12-years old kids. ...How old are you?

Me? ...Sixty. ...You?
I'll look at both units when there released. But they got to have a minimum of 2 subwoofer outs, if not I will pass until the next lot come out.
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It looks nice. I like the increased ventilation. It looks like the got rid of the useless copper plate and Ethernet bridge (on the 8801) anyway.


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My bad, the silver unit is a completely different Asian market model.

The bridge is there, see the two antenna connectors, on the back panel, only the ethernet jacks are gone because now HDMI2 will transmit the signal so you can upgrade all your components to HDMI2 and make the industry some more dough. Lovely hobby, innit?

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