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I would not buy it until it had ATMOS on board otherwise it is asking for trouble. I wish Anthem would deliver one the ARC is the best
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AFAIK, the 2014 D&M models that feature Dolby Atmos to include the SR7009, AV7702 and AV8802 will come with Atmos pre-loaded starting with the new X4100W and X5200W in Aug/Sep. What won't be pre-loaded is DTS UHD which when fully developed "may" come via a firmware upgrade.
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Does anyone know the speaker layout for Dolby Atmos

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Basically in addition to the conventional 7.1 setup, the additional 4 Dolby Atmos "ceiling" speakers would be configured as 2 in the front slightly forward of the main FL/FR speakers and 2 in the back above the SBL/SBR speakers.
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Basically in addition to the conventional 7.1 setup, the additional 4 Dolby Atmos "ceiling" speakers would be configured as 2 in the front slightly forward of the main FL/FR speakers and 2 in the back above the SBL/SBR speakers.
Thanks for that. I thought the heights could be book shelves speakers on the wall close to ceiling.

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Dolby will likely be posting a home Atmos configuration of the new (5.1.2/5.1.4/7.1.2/7.1.4) soon on their website just as they have the conventional 5.1 and 7.1 configurations.
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Dolby will likely be posting a home Atmos configuration of the new (5.1.2/5.1.4/7.1.2/7.1.4) soon on their website just as they have the conventional 5.1 and 7.1 configurations.
It will be interesting to see what similarities exist between new Dolby Atmos speaker layouts and immersive speaker layouts C|D|E|F|G in the recently released first draft (version "-0") of Recommendation ITU-R BS.2051-0 (02/2014) Advanced sound system for programme production (link) (direct link to pdf) . . . which details the eight nominal channel|speaker layouts 'floated' by ITU for "next generation broadcast audio systems".
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It will be interesting to see what similarities exist between new Dolby Atmos speaker layouts and immersive speaker layouts C|D|E|F|G in the recently released first draft (version "-0") of Recommendation ITU-R BS.2051-0 (02/2014) Advanced sound system for programme production (link) (direct link to pdf) . . . which details the eight nominal channel|speaker layouts 'floated' by ITU for "next generation broadcast audio systems".
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So from this ITU document, my understanding is that the 8802s' 13.2 outputs should be optimaly hemisphericaly spread around as

(4+9).2 = (FHL/FHR/BHR/BHL + WL/L/C/R/WR/SR/BR/BL/SL).2 and (eventually 2 subs. (see below)

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Does anyone know the speaker layout for Dolby Atmos
On monday, we will find out for sure
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Basically in addition to the conventional 7.1 setup, the additional 4 Dolby Atmos "ceiling" speakers would be configured as 2 in the front slightly forward of the main FL/FR speakers and 2 in the back above the SBL/SBR speakers.
incredible, eventually we'll have speakers coming out of our ears- literally
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I wonder if adding the high back r & l will change the height of the back speakers as they were always higher than the front speakers.

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On monday, we will find out for sure
That's good im getting new speakers and might as well take the opportunity and set it up right for atmos per DOLBY specs.
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That's good im getting new speakers and might as well take the opportunity and set it up right for atmos per DOLBY specs.
Prewiring for Atmos. That's awesome, Franin. You'll have that shiny new 8802 before you know it.

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I wonder if adding the high back r & l will change the height of the back speakers as they were always higher than the front speakers.
Guess that depends on how high the SBL/SBR speakers are currently placed. Ideally they would be 2'-3' above your seated head position whereas the Atmos ceiling speakers would be another maybe 2'-4' higher.
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It will be interesting to see what similarities exist between new Dolby Atmos speaker layouts and immersive speaker layouts C|D|E|F|G in the recently released first draft (version "-0") of Recommendation ITU-R BS.2051-0 (02/2014) Advanced sound system for programme production (link) (direct link to pdf) . . . which details the eight nominal channel|speaker layouts 'floated' by ITU for "next generation broadcast audio systems".
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- Upper Layer: 2 = In Ceiling Speakers
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I wonder if adding the high back r & l will change the height of the back speakers as they were always higher than the front speakers.
If your surrounds are mounted high up, then place the height speakers at a different angle. For example, if your side and back speakers are a couple of feet above ear level, then place the back heights at an angle between them.

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Prewiring for Atmos. That's awesome, Franin. You'll have that shiny new 8802 before you know it.
Dont know yet. I will have it pre wired and still sit on the fence. Curious to see what else comes out.

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I am wondering about implementation of HDMI 2.0: might this cause incompatibility issues in older non 2.0 connected equipment?

I know it is supposed to be backward compatible but my experience with HDMI has shown new versions are often problematic.

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I am wondering about implementation of HDMI 2.0: might this cause incompatibility issues in older non 2.0 connected equipment?

I know it is supposed to be backward compatible but my experience with HDMI has shown new versions are often problematic.

I think that is everybody's experience. HDMI handshaking is still a problem.


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Dont know yet. I will have it pre wired and still sit on the fence. Curious to see what else comes out.
Yep, there needs to be quite a bit of Atmos software out for me to make the jump. Then again, I'm weak...

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I guess I will obviously A/B but I am stuck between doing 5.1.4 or 7.1.2. ()

I have 4 in my ceiling actually positioned nicely. Two for heights and two for sides/surrounds. So wonder which will be optimal? Treat the room as 7 then just add two Atmos heights or treat it as a traditional 5 speaker set up then add 4???

Hopefully it's not too long before it's ready to go on the 8802...


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Hi,

The Onkyo PR-SC5530, a competitor to the Marantz 8802?

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Just got an email from audioholics that states the 7702, not 8802 will offer the atmos suite and will be the new processor for Marantz.

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Here's the AudioGurus link to Marantz Atmos receivers: http://www.audiogurus.com/learn/news...receivers/1574

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Looks like the 8802 didn't make the cut.

"Marantz’s first Atmos AVR will be the 9.1-channel SR7009, due in September. The brand
also plans October availability of its first Atmos-equipped preamp processor, the 11-channel
AV7702. Prices weren’t disclosed.

The Denon and Marantz components, which also feature Audyssey MultEQ XT32 room-
acoustics correction, are capable of driving 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 speaker configurations. But
Denon’s AVR-X5200W and Marantz’s preamp processor also have the horsepower to drive a
7.1.4 configuration, the company said. The AVR would require the addition of a two-channel
amp to do so, the company told TWICE."

Source: http://www.twice.com/news/components...mponents/45756

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Just got an email from audioholics that states the 7702, not 8802 will offer the atmos suite and will be the new processor for Marantz.

Maybe the AV8802 will get Auro3D?
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Here is a photo image of the SR7009 from the Audiogurus email I received earlier this afternoon. The AV7702 will probably sport a similar appearance.

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