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Hi all. I've had my system apart a good while finishing a new house and theater. I want to make sure I'm hooking my video sources up the best way soon. I have a JVC X550R, 8802A and Oppo 203......then I'll either get a Roku or Fire 4k stick. Best connection for 203 would be HDMI direct to projector for video and HDMI from 203 to 8802A for audio? Best connection for 4k stick is plug it into 8802A HDMI1 in, then HDMI out from 8802A to projector?
Why not go through the 8802A from the 203?

It will do a pass through and there is less chance of lip sync issues

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Yeah, I run all of my sources through my 8802A then one HDMI to my JVC. It's a pretty long run to my PJ and those 4K rates cables are expensive. I've had no issues as long as I turn on my PJ first and then the 8802A. No lock on issues and no lip sync issues from my Oppo 103D, Oppo 203, PS3, Xbox One X, or Directv Receiver.
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Why not go through the 8802A from the 203?

It will do a pass through and there is less chance of lip sync issues

That's why I ask. It used to be recommended, for best video and audio, to go straight to TV or projector, then audio to pre/pro. This was before common place UHD capable receivers I'm sure.

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Why not go through the 8802A from the 203?

It will do a pass through and there is less chance of lip sync issues

That's why I ask. It used to be recommended, for best video and audio, to go straight to TV or projector, then audio to pre/pro. This was before common place UHD capable receivers I'm sure.
I run my 205 through my 8802A to my 75"Sony 4k and love the picture
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Hey all. So the day has finally come that I’m retiring my faithful AV7005. I’m looking at picking up an 8802. According to the literature, the OEM 7002 needs a board to process HDCP 2.2 over the HDMI. Assuming this unit doesn’t have one, how will it be to procure one, how much, and is it plug and play (consumer upgradeable)? Anyone have any issues with the unit playing nice with a JVC RS (RS400 for me) or not passing up to 4K 60fps 4:4:4? I run a WCG SDR 4K signal from my Panny 820.

Thx much. Really looking forward to the upgrade.

Oh and I build all my speakers and run a very high end system, including some great processing on them all, how is the pro audyssey kit on this unit?


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The 8802A is 4K compliant out of the box. I can’t speak to what is involved in upgrading an 8802 into an 8802A.

IMO I’ve never loved Audyssey in my system and I disable it. I also find many I’ve talked with that have tried Pro, say the Pro upgrade isn’t worth the money. Just my $0.02.

I’m looking to upgrade my 8802A into a Dirac enabled Pre-Pro but have been slow to pull the trigger as I’ve not been able to audition one.


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Hey all. So the day has finally come that I’m retiring my faithful AV7005. I’m looking at picking up an 8802. According to the literature, the OEM 7002 needs a board to process HDCP 2.2 over the HDMI. Assuming this unit doesn’t have one, how will it be to procure one, how much, and is it plug and play (consumer upgradeable)? Anyone have any issues with the unit playing nice with a JVC RS (RS400 for me) or not passing up to 4K 60fps 4:4:4? I run a WCG SDR 4K signal from my Panny 820.

Thx much. Really looking forward to the upgrade.

Oh and I build all my speakers and run a very high end system, including some great processing on them all, how is the pro audyssey kit on this unit?


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Don’t buy it if it isn’t already an 8802A. The Pro kit is obsolete and not worth the money.
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Don’t buy it if it isn’t already an 8802A. The Pro kit is obsolete and not worth the money.


Thanks guys. Advice well received and taken.

Btw error in my post, should have read “OEM 8802” my typo.

If anyone is looking to move on from your 8802A please PM me. Thx again.


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Hey all. So the day has finally come that I’m retiring my faithful AV7005. I’m looking at picking up an 8802. According to the literature, the OEM 7002 needs a board to process HDCP 2.2 over the HDMI. Assuming this unit doesn’t have one, how will it be to procure one, how much, and is it plug and play (consumer upgradeable)? Anyone have any issues with the unit playing nice with a JVC RS (RS400 for me) or not passing up to 4K 60fps 4:4:4? I run a WCG SDR 4K signal from my Panny 820.

Thx much. Really looking forward to the upgrade.

Oh and I build all my speakers and run a very high end system, including some great processing on them all, how is the pro audyssey kit on this unit?


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yep in au all units that were plain vanilla 8802 received this board update to take to 8802A am sure same happened where ever you are at.

I use the audyssey pro kit as I know others who do as well with both 8802A and older units. works an absolute treat as it did with my denon flagship amp I had before.

marantz will work seamlessly with the ivc rs400 I have the au version model up in the jvc x7000(rs500). no problems at all I use a pana ub9000, have run a ub900 prior, as with couple of oppo und players and a samsung. all not a bother and a gazillion uhd discs have gone through in all sorts of formats. as with used x box one x and also apple tv 4k. all work a treat with the marantz buy with confidence

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I know this is probably a silly grievance but both my 8802A and 7012 AVR sit in locations where their physical displays are not visible from MLP and I feel that OSD is critical. When watching some 4K content on either system primarily via their ATV4k’s, neither Marantz broadcasts its OSD for volume control through that content.

Do I have a setting wrong or is this just the status quo for trying to be into 4K and get the best video performance my systems are capable of?




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I know this is probably a silly grievance but both my 8802A and 7012 AVR sit in locations where their physical displays are not visible from MLP and I feel that OSD is critical. When watching some 4K content on either system primarily via their ATV4k’s, neither Marantz broadcasts its OSD for volume control through that content.

Do I have a setting wrong or is this just the status quo for trying to be into 4K and get the best video performance my systems are capable of?




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If video convert is set to On, then you should be getting OSD.
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I know this is probably a silly grievance but both my 8802A and 7012 AVR sit in locations where their physical displays are not visible from MLP and I feel that OSD is critical. When watching some 4K content on either system primarily via their ATV4k’s, neither Marantz broadcasts its OSD for volume control through that content.

Do I have a setting wrong or is this just the status quo for trying to be into 4K and get the best video performance my systems are capable of?




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It is in your setup - you have turned off any video processing via the 8802

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It is in your setup - you have turned off any video processing via the 8802
Just to be clear in the terminology, there is the Video Conversion setting, and there is what I call “video processing”, which is the “i/p scaler” settings. The OSD requires Video Conversion to be turned on, but the i/p scaler can still be off.
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It is in your setup - you have turned off any video processing via the 8802
Just to be clear in the terminology, there is the Video Conversion setting, and there is what I call “video processing”, which is the “i/p scaler” settings. The OSD requires Video Conversion to be turned on, but the i/p scaler can still be off.
Yes. I couldn't remember the specific names as I was not home to look it up. But I believe the scaler has to be on

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Yes. I couldn't remember the specific names as I was not home to look it up. But I believe the scaler has to be on
??? No, the i/p scaler has no effect on the OSD. It is the Video Convert setting that controls the OSD. I am sure the OP is completely confused now.
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8802 vs 8802A with a basic 5.1 setup?


Figured the few here could give me a brief breakdown of the 8802 vs 8802A. Is DTS X the only difference?



Can get a refurb 8802 for $500 ($1500) less than the A version. Im 90% stereo music in this room, but do enjoy the multi channel Audio as well via Bluray and DVDA's. Just wondering if I should go with the 8802 for the music side or go with a 7704 for the newer tech. Never had good luck with Audyssey on the music side, so unless Im wowed it will be off.



I guess it comes down to the better DAC's in the 8802 or go with the tech in the 7704.



I run a multi channel Mac amp and all horn loaded speakers, so looking for clean DAC's and best noise floor on the Pre side.



Any comments appreciated


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8802 vs 8802A with a basic 5.1 setup?


Figured the few here could give me a brief breakdown of the 8802 vs 8802A. Is DTS X the only difference?



Can get a refurb 8802 for $500 ($1500) less than the A version. Im 90% stereo music in this room, but do enjoy the multi channel Audio as well via Bluray and DVDA's. Just wondering if I should go with the 8802 for the music side or go with a 7704 for the newer tech. Never had good luck with Audyssey on the music side, so unless Im wowed it will be off.



I guess it comes down to the better DAC's in the 8802 or go with the tech in the 7704.



I run a multi channel Mac amp and all horn loaded speakers, so looking for clean DAC's and best noise floor on the Pre side.



Any comments appreciated


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The “A” update added support for the latest HDMI technology. If you plan on routing 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision/HLG through your processor, then you will need the “A” version, or go with the 7704. IMO, purchasing a unit without the “A” upgrade would not be wise.
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Hi AustinJerry or anyone. I'm close to getting my rack completed. I'll be running all video through the 8802A. I'll have an Oppo 203 and either a Roku or Fire 4k stick plugged in to two hdmi inputs on the 8802A. I only need to run one hdmi cable from 8802a monitor1 out to the JVC projector and then just switch between the two hdmi input sources on the 8802a correct?

If true, this brings me to my next question. I need a 30ft certified HDMI and monoprice is out. I'm thinking of getting the 30ft Ugreen optical cable from Amazon. Not certified but everyone says it works fine with 4k 60hz 4:4:4? Anyone have any caution against that?

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... I'll be running all video through the 8802A. I'll have an Oppo 203 and either a Roku or Fire 4k stick plugged in to two hdmi inputs on the 8802A. I only need to run one hdmi cable from 8802a monitor1 out to the JVC projector and then just switch between the two hdmi input sources on the 8802a correct?
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If true, this brings me to my next question. I need a 30ft certified HDMI and monoprice is out. I'm thinking of getting the 30ft Ugreen optical cable from Amazon. Not certified but everyone says it works fine with 4k 60hz 4:4:4? Anyone have any caution against that?
I'm not familiar with that particular cable, but I use and highly recommend the Ruipro "Hybrid" Fiber Optic HDMI cable. I use a 10m (33ft) between my AV7703 and my LG OLED. In over a year, I've had zero issues passing any format requiring an 18Gb link.

Here's a link to the Ruipro cable if you're interested...

https://www.amazon.com/RUIPRO-Fiber-...eywords=Ruipro
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If true, this brings me to my next question. I need a 30ft certified HDMI and monoprice is out. I'm thinking of getting the 30ft Ugreen optical cable from Amazon. Not certified but everyone says it works fine with 4k 60hz 4:4:4? Anyone have any caution against that?
With 4K, don't mess around with dodgy cables. Go with something certified from Monoprice, Blue Jeans, KableDirect (recommended by the HDFury folks who know this stuff), or the good optical cables like Ruipro. For a 30ft run, I'd recommend spending the extra money for fiber and go with the Ruipro that @DOC1963 recommended. The time you'll save from not having to diagnose problems is well worth the extra cost.
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The “A” update added support for the latest HDMI technology. If you plan on routing 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision/HLG through your processor, then you will need the “A” version, or go with the 7704. IMO, purchasing a unit without the “A” upgrade would not be wise.

Thanks for the reply.


Please forgive my ignorance in this field as I am still just an old Fuddy with a 5.1 setup and will likely never change from that.


Are you saying I cant get 4K from a DTV setup or possibly a 4K stream from Netflix to flow through the 8802?
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Thanks for the reply.


Please forgive my ignorance in this field as I am still just an old Fuddy with a 5.1 setup and will likely never change from that.


Are you saying I cant get 4K from a DTV setup or possibly a 4K stream from Netflix to flow through the 8802?
If I recall correctly (it was quite some time ago), the “A” upgrade provided HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. The latter is to adhere to content-protection built into many sources. Without the “A” upgrade, you may be able to pass 4K (again, I don’t recall), but you will certainly not be able to pass 4K HDR, Dolby Vision, or any of the other enhanced video formats. Quite a bit of the 4K content available today from places like Netflix are going to be HDR, so not compatible with the 8802.

Again, my recommendation is that the wise purchase would be for a processor that meets today’s video requirements. Spending money on obsolete technology is never a good idea.
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If I recall correctly (it was quite some time ago), the “A” upgrade provided HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. The latter is to adhere to content-protection built into many sources. Without the “A” upgrade, you may be able to pass 4K (again, I don’t recall), but you will certainly not be able to pass 4K HDR, Dolby Vision, or any of the other enhanced video formats. Quite a bit of the 4K content available today from places like Netflix are going to be HDR, so not compatible with the 8802.

Again, my recommendation is that the wise purchase would be for a processor that meets today’s video requirements. Spending money on obsolete technology is never a good idea.



Thanks for the clarification. I really don't need to spend $1500 on the 8802, let alone 2K for the 8802A. I guess I should be looking at the newer line 7700 series, just would really like the better DAC's and noise floor of the 8800 series, but I guess Ignorance cant be bliss at this junction. Some might think Im splitting hairs here, but my mains are 107db sensitivity and my rears 105db. I really want something quiet at this stage of my system and not break the bank.
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Thanks for the clarification. I really don't need to spend $1500 on the 8802, let alone 2K for the 8802A. I guess I should be looking at the newer line 7700 series, just would really like the better DAC's and noise floor of the 8800 series, but I guess Ignorance cant be bliss at this junction. Some might think Im splitting hairs here, but my mains are 107db sensitivity and my rears 105db. I really want something quiet at this stage of my system and not break the bank.
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AV8802a responds very slowly to remote control commands after latest firmware update

Hopefully, someone can help here as Marantz support came up with a standard answer that they were not aware of such an issue, can‘t reproduce it and that I should reset my amp to factory settings, what didn‘t fix the rc problem.

Issue: After the latest firmware update from last October (in Europe it is 6461-9161-5285-01, DTS Version 3.90.50.51) the amp responds very slowly to commands from the rc. I have to wait about a second or so before the amp accepts the next command. For example: To decrease the volume from 50 to 30 would take 20 seconds via remote control

To control the AMP directly or via iOS app works fine and the amp responds immediately.

Of course, I have replaced the batteries, also switched off any other devices to exclude interference (so no other devices are in stand-by modus). I also reset the amp to factory settings (it will take me hours to configure all the settings and Audessey setup), unplugged the amp from power for a couple of minutes before switched on again, but nothing helped.

Any advice from the pros here?

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AV8802a responds very slowly to remote control commands after latest firmware update

Hopefully, someone can help here as Marantz support came up with a standard answer that they were not aware of such an issue, can‘t reproduce it and that I should reset my amp to factory settings, what didn‘t fix the rc problem.

Issue: After the latest firmware update from last October (in Europe it is 6461-9161-5285-01, DTS Version 3.90.50.51) the amp responds very slowly to commands from the rc. I have to wait about a second or so before the amp accepts the next command. For example: To decrease the volume from 50 to 30 would take 20 seconds via remote control

To control the AMP directly or via iOS app works fine and the amp responds immediately.

Of course, I have replaced the batteries, also switched off any other devices to exclude interference (so no other devices are in stand-by modus). I also reset the amp to factory settings (it will take me hours to configure all the settings and Audessey setup), unplugged the amp from power for a couple of minutes before switched on again, but nothing helped.

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I can only report that I am not observing the same issue. And if I were, the first thing I would do would be to reset to factory defaults, which it sounds like you have tried already. Sorry I don’t have any other suggestions.
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I can only report that I am not observing the same issue. And if I were, the first thing I would do would be to reset to factory defaults, which it sounds like you have tried already. Sorry I don’t have any other suggestions.
Yes, that‘s what I already did. Thanks for checking out.
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I have solved my immediate problem of getting the trigger to trip the relay. The relay is used to turn on amps. I built it based on a design by a fellow AVSer.

See this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/1303723-automatically-powering-pro-amps-via-relay-guide-w-pics-16.html#post56102794


I had only been using Trigger 1. On a whim, I plugged into Trigger 2 and the relay worked. Not sure why. I would have thought each would have the same miliamps output.

So if any of you are like me and have pro amps, this relay allowed me to have the amps in another room so you don't hear the fans. Pretty elegant solution to getting rid of the fan noise.

Another item I can pass along. I use iRule and found commands to turn the triggers on and off. So there are specific database commands to trip the triggers. In case you wanted to trigger something besides amps.
Revisiting the trigger output to sequence power amps topic, I'd like to share my well-documented adventures in this area. I posted this AVS thread that details the DIY build of a power distribution system I built. Just today, I added information on how I trigger that beast from the 8802, and some of you will find the product I used of interest. It might be helpful if you need a different voltage to trigger or just higher amperage.

It's kind of funny that it takes a cascade of no less than four relays to get an amp to tun on in my rig

8802 12v relay-->ELK 912b relay-->SurgeX relay (x4)-->PDU relay

Also, I'll reinforce a couple of tips that have been shared previously about triggers:

- Disconnect the 8802 from the AC power (pull the plug on the back) BEFORE inserting or removing the 12v trigger connections
- Study the manual regarding 12v trigger settings, but here is the simplest config for triggering amps:

In the trigger output settings screen for the trigger you will use to control external amps, turn Main Zone to ON, all others to 'Ignore' which displays as a dash symbol.
Note that the trigger output will possibly be out of sync as you change settings. So set the settings, then go into standby, then come out of standby. The trigger should go on, regardless of the selected input, and will go off when the unit is returned to standby.


And here's a pic of that PDU I built to drive some of the seven amps in the rig:


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JohnFo, very nice power distribution unit!

I finally installed overhead speakers. I am enjoying movies and what the overheads add for movies.

After completing speaker calibration I ran into a problem.

My problem is that when playing multichannel SACDs or DVD-As, I am getting output from the overheads. Does not happen with 2 channel, but not what I want with multichannel material. There is a SACD I use to tell if the channels are calibrated properly. On Eat A Peach from the Allman Brothers, the last track has two guitars. Properly calibrated they are spaced left and right in the sound stage. With the overheads on, not so much.

How do I "turn off" the overhead speakers when I do not want them?

I suspect there is something simple I am overlooking.

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JohnFo, very nice power distribution unit!
Thanks, it was fun to do, but a heck of a lot of work. I figured you'd get a kick out of reading about it.

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I finally installed overhead speakers. I am enjoying movies and what the overheads add for movies.

After completing speaker calibration I ran into a problem.

My problem is that when playing multichannel SACDs or DVD-As, I am getting output from the overheads. Does not happen with 2 channel, but not what I want with multichannel material. There is a SACD I use to tell if the channels are calibrated properly. On Eat A Peach from the Allman Brothers, the last track has two guitars. Properly calibrated they are spaced left and right in the sound stage. With the overheads on, not so much.

How do I "turn off" the overhead speakers when I do not want them?

I suspect there is something simple I am overlooking.
Yep, it's the nice feature that D&M has of remembering your settings, which are per input AND per format detected. So when playing multichannel inputs (SACD or DVD-A) it uses whatever 'last' preference you set for the 'Sound Mode' (selected with the colored buttons on the remote).

So when using a universal player like an Oppo BDP-103 (like I'm doing right now), it can be set to: Stereo for PCM, Dolby DSU on Dolby digital, and plain multichannel for multichannel.

But, from your description, your preamp is set to multichannel+Dolby Surround (DSU) when the input is multichannel (be it PCM from a DVD-A or DSD from an SACD). The fix is to press the red Sound mode button while the SACD is playing and select plain 'multichannel' as your default.

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