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Doesn't matter what I ask for, Dolby was listening to professional movie mixers and giving them what they asked for.
Sure, they ask the people that do have an actual opinion. Why ask the lemmings called consumers? They pay for anything as long as it's "cool", "new", "blue lights", "immersive", etc pp, anyway.

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Why ask the lemmings called consumers?
That was my point, Dolby wasn't asking consumers like me anyway.

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That was my point, Dolby wasn't asking consumers like me anyway.
Don't be so fatalistic. They (have to) "ask" anybody that pays.

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Don't be so fatalistic.
Realistic, not fatalistic.
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They (have to) "ask" anybody that pays.
You're contradicting yourself:
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Why ask the lemmings called consumers? They pay for anything as long as it's "cool", "new", "blue lights", "immersive", etc pp, anyway.
Which is it: they have to ask anybody that pays or why ask consumers that will pay for anything? Can't be both simultaneously.

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If someone knows what he wants, why he wants it and voices his opinion, he's no longer a "lemming".

Now back to "Pioneer SC LX88 - 9.2 ch, Dolby Amos, HDMI 2.0".

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If someone knows what he wants, why he wants it and voices his opinion, he's no longer a "lemming".
It wasn't your ad hominem I was addressing, but the contradiction of "why ask" and "have to ask" when it comes to Dolby.

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I wish I saw this earlier! Thanks for the heads up though I can't wait for more info later today. BTW...I saw it was asked and not answered. WIll the new SC-85+ models support HDCP 2.2?

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I wish I saw this earlier! Thanks for the heads up though I can't wait for more info later today. BTW...I saw it was asked and not answered. WIll the new SC-85+ models support HDCP 2.2?
It doesn't look like it. I am also keenly interested in this, I don't want to have to upgrade again in two years...
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http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...eceivers/SC-89
The product page of the SC-89 is online
No manual yet

Display.....| TV: Panasonic Viera TX-55CX800
Audio.......| Receiver: Pioneer SC-LX 801 (Pioneer Elite SC-LX 801) | Speakers: 2x Dali Oberon 5 for Fronts | 2x Dali Alteco C-1 Upfiring (Atmos) | Dali Zensor Pico for rears
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Speakers also

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...a+Home+Theater

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http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...eceivers/SC-89
The product page of the SC-89 is online
No manual yet

The specs for the unit make no mention of HDCP 2.2. If it doesn't have it I'll be waiting to upgrade. I just picked up a 4K TV and don't want to spend this kind of coin on something that I'll need to upgrade soon...
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Any updates from the Pioneer session at CE today?

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I checked earlier tonight & couldn't find any link to it yet.
Hopefully soon...

Along with manuals on the AVR's & speakers.

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Or news of the white paper Chris mentioned?
I was trying to post the technical paper here on AVS, however it is too big (26MB).. I will see if I can get it posted on our website in the morning.

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I was trying to post the technical paper here on AVS, however it is too big (26MB).. I will see if I can get it posted on our website in the morning.

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Thanks Chris. If you wish you can email it to me and I will host it on Dropbox for the benefit of the thread. PM me if you want to do that.

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correct me if im wrong,

1. Dipole speakers are not ideal for Atmos?
2. Wall mounted are not also ideal?
3. If yes to #2 , is the height for side/back surround must be ear level?


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I found this from yesterday, has more info on Pio speakers.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...-and-speakers/

"To make these speakers Atmos-enabled, Pioneer added one of the CST drivers to the top of each floorstander and bookshelf speaker. Separate binding posts at the back of the speakers allows discreet information to be delivered to the Atmos-dedicated drivers, which are aimed at the ceiling to reflect Atmos-specific effects down at the listener from above."

This may mean the top driver could be used by itself for the ceiling reflection, acting as an add-on Atmos module. If true, that's another option if one had speakers they wanted to keep.

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Here's another one, with photos of the speakers.

http://www.cnet.com/news/pioneer-deb...tarts-at-4750/

The speakers look pretty nice.

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I found this from yesterday, has more info on Pio speakers.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...-and-speakers/

"To make these speakers Atmos-enabled, Pioneer added one of the CST drivers to the top of each floorstander and bookshelf speaker. Separate binding posts at the back of the speakers allows discreet information to be delivered to the Atmos-dedicated drivers, which are aimed at the ceiling to reflect Atmos-specific effects down at the listener from above."

This may mean the top driver could be used by itself for the ceiling reflection, acting as an add-on Atmos module. If true, that's another option if one had speakers they wanted to keep.
And a great opportunity to disassemble ceiling absorbers for those who have treated their rooms that way already.
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Here's another one, with photos of the speakers.

http://www.cnet.com/news/pioneer-deb...tarts-at-4750/

The speakers look pretty nice.
Those Andrew Jones designs have had terrific reviews too. For anyone without a dedicated room these Atmos-enabled speakers do look like a terrific way to go.
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And a great opportunity to disassemble ceiling absorbers for those who have treated their rooms that way already.
a small price to pay for admission

you can move the absorbers, cut holes & fish wire for ceiling speakers or don't implement it.

choices. it's not an obstacle if one has the will

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correct me if im wrong,

1. Dipole speakers are not ideal for Atmos?
2. Wall mounted are not also ideal?
3. If yes to #2 , is the height for side/back surround must be ear level?


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1. This depends on the mix, format and your room/speaker setup.
2. In-wall is ideal.
3. This depends on mixing room conditions. Recommendations suggest ear level to slight elevation.

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Here's another one, with photos of the speakers.

http://www.cnet.com/news/pioneer-deb...tarts-at-4750/

The speakers look pretty nice.
And as long as they "look" nice they have to sound nice too, right? Don't have yourself fooled by marketing verbiage.

What is the polar response of those speakers? When do they start to compress? How high are distortion levels at different levels? This is what makes a speaker sound good or bad.

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Between this and the Denon/Marantz leak, I hope anyone that thought consumer Atmos was years away has disabused themselves of that notion. How far behind can the Blu-rays be?
Far enough so I don't mind waiting a few years before jumping on it. Once they have worked out the kinks in the first generations and we have 20+ channels it would be harder to pass up :-P

I will not be repurchasing blueray's I already own just for Atmos, that's just not in the cards.
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a small price to pay for admission

you can move the absorbers, cut holes & fish wire for ceiling speakers or don't implement it.

choices. it's not an obstacle if one has the will


Or change them to ceiling reflectors for best results. Lot of prep to do b4 the baby arrives, eh?
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And as long as they "look" nice they have to sound nice too, right? Don't have yourself fooled by marketing verbiage.

What is the polar response of those speakers? When do they start to compress? How high are distortion levels at different levels? This is what makes a speaker sound good or bad.
At the stage of the hobby, I hope I'm past most of that but none of us are immune to some form of upgrade bug

all you ask are fair questions.

if you want to read about previous Andrew Jones designs for Pioneer, I suggest you take a look at Stereophile who gave them an excellent write-up, perhaps Sound & Vision as well.

Absolute Sound has reviewed AJ speakers from Pioneer's upscale & very expensive TAD division. They've reviewed several TAD's & consider them some of best reference speakers, period.

I'm not 100% sure but I think Stereophile may have also written about TAD speakers.

But it's the same designer behind them.

I've never yet owned Pioneer speakers, so have no personal experience with them, being a Magnepan guy. But I've read enough about them to know they aren't thought of as compromised in some way. every review I've seen gives them high marks, especially at their price points.
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a small price to pay for admission

you can move the absorbers, cut holes & fish wire for ceiling speakers or don't implement it.

choices. it's not an obstacle if one has the will
The Atmos-enabled speakers are really for people who use their systems in their living room. Those people are very unlikely to have ceiling acoustic treatments. He's competely missed the point.
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Or change them to ceiling reflectors for best results. Lot of prep to do b4 the baby arrives, eh?
That would be very unlikely to give 'best results' as the Atmos-enabled speakers have been designed specifically for use with normal living rooms with normal ceilings. This also rules out vaulted ceilings. Lots of reading to do, eh?
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