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Lol!

"Trained to hear objects."

Now that's a good one.
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It's kinda funny...I had zero intention of moving to 4K and falling into the early adopter category again (e.g. HD-DVD).

Then along came Atmos. All of a sudden the audio experience far outweighed the visual experience of my 60" plasma (first world problems). So I decided to "go big or go home" and went with a new 75" LCD to make the upgrade worthwhile. Well, lo and behold it's a 4K set. Oh...hey...my whole library of DVDs looks pretty crappy now.

Well, now I have a 4K display and suddenly my trusty old Sony BDP is no longer sufficient. That means that I OBVIOUSLY need to jump and go UHD-BD. But wait...my 5200 isn't compliant.

So, now I'm jumping on the bandwagon that I was going to watch pass by, and just ordered my Fury today too (after reporting it back in October and missing out on the $50 pre-order discount on THAT too). I COULD run the second HDMI right to the TV, but I don't really want to run a 3rd cable up and reprogram my remote to switch inputs (note the justification, since it's super easy to reprogram).

And finally, according to this press release...




So now I have to pre-order THAT to save $100. Which is their plan.

I WAS thinking about sticking to the "go big or go home philosophy and waiting for Oppo to release theirs later this year as they make some of the most highly regarded players (at a premium price)....but now I just don't know.

DAMN YOU, HOBBY!
Your story could be mine too. There's no sign of UHD players here in Britain yet, even for pre-order. I hope we get the chance to pre-order and save some cash too. I'm not massively keen on a curved UHD player, but hey, if it's the only one I can get hold of. I was hoping Pioneer or Panasonic would join in the game soon too. I guess I will be selling my Oppo 103 at some stage.
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Not much.
Pick me up a 2016 Atmos Demo Disc please Sir.

Or,.. just ask the fellaz if I can be authorized to demo them.

Thanks!

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For the untrained ear, they would probably miss alot of the effects. Especially if you have your speakers at calibration level where everything blends well and nothing really stands out.
Yeah. Listening to the mix they way it's supposed to sound is so amateur. Gotta have trained ears to listen to it improperly set up.
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I'm so not interested this year. I'm just sitting on the floor finishing a pizza. Ugh. I guess I'll get up and hit the floor again. You know....I do it for the tech. *yawn*
Scott, did you see Sicario on Blu-ray?

It's a great flick with a great soundtrack (realistic gunshots) and with a fantastic music score.
* It's in Dolby Atmos too, but I only experienced the core audio, Dolby TrueHD 7.1 ...still, I was very impressed on how immersive it was, plus the tension.
Emily and Benicio both delivered top notch performances.

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Pick me up a 2016 Atmos Demo Disc please Sir.

Or,.. just ask the fellaz if I can be authorized to demo them.

Thanks!

Oh yeah, stop by the Oculus Rift Booth!!! Tell me how good or bad my $678 investment is that I can't use until May.
I tried twice and I'm not waiting an hour and a half or more, really for the demo. They f***ed that chance up. Why make people wait so long. I've tried OR before and it still has a long way to go and needs much more content and killer apps of which there aren't any.

I'll see if I get that dts disk.

Content on it doesn't look that interesting except for Gravity in DTS X which raises an eyebrow.
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And from what I gather at the Emotiva Lounge, Emotiva did not announce at CES their new flagship SSP with 16 channels and Dirac and other stuff. So it looks like they will be living up to their history and not being able to meet their quoted Q1 2016 delivery date. Too bad for them and too bad for those looking for a sub $20,000 SSP with Dirac that supports that many channels.

They can't seem to get this in their head: "Under Promise and Over Deliver"
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Scott, did you see Sicario on Blu-ray?

It's a great flick with a great soundtrack (realistic gunshots) and with a fantastic music score.
* It's in Dolby Atmos too, but I only experienced the core audio, Dolby TrueHD 7.1 ...still, I was very impressed on how immersive it was, plus the tension.
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I saw it in theaters.
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I saw it in theaters.
It's better @ home on Blu than @ the theater.
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Lol!

"Trained to hear objects."

Now that's a good one.
Well, trained to hear stuff coming from overhead. Half the stuff coming from the 4 speakers up top, my wife, kids, neighbors, dogs and a couple of random people that I grabbed and said hey come listen to my system, they don't catch. It's not that they didn't hear it but Atmos and DSU does a great job of putting you in a bubble that you feel like you know that this audio sounds great but you can't localize everything as it's happening.

So I am "trained", although this is not such a good thing, to over listen to everything that I hear. And since the stuff coming from the .4 is all object based sounds, I can effectively hear that in the infamous 360 "Bird" there is also a squeak/squeal/squawk or whatever coming from the Top Left Speaker right as the bird passes the center speaker going to the left speaker...I bet most will not realize this though...

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I tried twice and I'm not waiting an hour and a half or more, really for the demo. They f***ed that chance up. Why make people wait so long. I've tried OR before and it still has a long way to go and needs much more content and killer apps of which there aren't any.

I'll see if I get that dts disk.

Content on it doesn't look that interesting except for Gravity in DTS X which raises an eyebrow.
I for one, am all the way sold on VR. No question about the tech. It's freaking awesome sauce. Immersive? You said you want IMMERSIVE?! Stand in that line Scott! Mind Blowing!

As for DTS-X disc...no thanks. I could care less about DTS-X at this point. First-movers Advantage is Real.

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Yeah. Listening to the mix they way it's supposed to sound is so amateur. Gotta have trained ears to listen to it improperly set up.
Just saying, most people only hear certain things in a movie. All the work post engineers put into creating a mix will rarely be realized by the average listener. Nothing about a proper or improper setup. Its simply that we as humans, just don't pay that much attention.

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Scott, did you see Sicario on Blu-ray?

It's a great flick with a great soundtrack (realistic gunshots) and with a fantastic music score.
* It's in Dolby Atmos too, but I only experienced the core audio, Dolby TrueHD 7.1 ...still, I was very impressed on how immersive it was, plus the tension.
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I saw it in theaters.
Good Flick! Had me and the Mrs. arguing way past midnight. She claimed that Benicio Del Toro' character, Alejandro was on a separate rogue mission. I thought that, although he had an alternative motive, the movie was still about bring down the kingpin. I was confused as to why Kate was tripping in the tunnel? Why else were they there and why did Alejandro have air support if he was rogue? #B613

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Your story could be mine too. There's no sign of UHD players here in Britain yet, even for pre-order. I hope we get the chance to pre-order and save some cash too. I'm not massively keen on a curved UHD player, but hey, if it's the only one I can get hold of. I was hoping Pioneer or Panasonic would join in the game soon too. I guess I will be selling my Oppo 103 at some stage.
I'm all in on UHD. Nothing holding me back.

I agree I don't want a curved unit. Looks stupid in my rack. Plus I need Vudu and Amazon for streaming. I think that unit doesn't support vudu. Deal killer for me. If no back lit remote, that's a deterrent as well though not a killer.
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It's better @ home on Blu than @ the theater.
Lol, ok. You compared them?

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I for one, am all the way sold on VR. No question about the tech. It's freaking awesome sauce. Immersive? You said you want IMMERSIVE?! Stand in that line Scott! Mind Blowing!

As for DTS-X disc...no thanks. I could care less about DTS-X at this point. First-movers Advantage is Real.
Meh. I agree in principle but I've seen VR and it just doesn't really work well. Plus, it is even worse for people like myself who wear glasses. Tech needs maturing and there needs more content. My feet hurt and I ain't standing line a queue for an hr or two for a shi**y demo. Ever been to CES? If there is a line for something, it's usually never worth the wait.

Agreed in full on immersive. I just like to keep up with it all. Too many fan boys of dts have this completely skewed and unrealistic view of what their flavor of immersive audio is or is going to be. They all were born yesterday or live under a rock. But...whatever.

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Just saying, most people only hear certain things in a movie. All the work post engineers put into creating a mix will rarely be realized by the average listener. Nothing about a proper or improper setup. Its simply that we as humans, just don't pay that much attention.
Fair enough.
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Sicario was a great movie, IMHO. I got the dumbed down version (5.1) from Redbox. Thanks Lionsgate. I might look into joining 3D Bluray Rental again for the nominal monthly price to cover those Lionsgate discs that they dumb down the audio for Redbox (Netflix, as well).

Funny - - I read some of the Sicario reviews on Redbox and I'm always amazed at differences of opinion. Like - "Lousy movie, no action. Slow." I'm convinced that these movie goers/viewers can only be satisfied with the John Wick's & Mission Impossible's of the world. Nothing against either - I enjoy watching them, as well, but character development, a slow burn and a real life situation (Juarez & the Mexican Drug Cartels) is pretty compelling drama.

I've always been a fan of Benicio Del Toro. Excelente, como siempre.
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Watched The Phantom Menace last night, DSU freakin' rocks!
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Thumbs up Sicario ... @ home ... on Blu

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Lol, ok. You compared them?
I didn't have to...I saw Mad Max, Gravity, Interstellar, ... and they were all better @ home than @ my local theater. ...Picture and sound quality wise.
And my local theater, including IMAX (((3D))) ain't too shabby.
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Sicario was a great movie, IMHO. I got the dumbed down version (5.1) from Redbox. Thanks Lionsgate. I might look into joining 3D Bluray Rental again for the nominal monthly price to cover those Lionsgate discs that they dumb down the audio for Redbox (Netflix, as well).

Funny - - I read some of the Sicario reviews on Redbox and I'm always amazed at differences of opinion. Like - "Lousy movie, no action. Slow." I'm convinced that these movie goers/viewers can only be satisfied with the John Wick's & Mission Impossible's of the world. Nothing against either - I enjoy watching them, as well, but character development, a slow burn and a real life situation (Juarez & the Mexican Drug Cartels) is pretty compelling drama.

I've always been a fan of Benicio Del Toro. Excelente, como siempre.

Ditto. I literally jumped during the opening chapter and the whole convoy across the border and back was one of the most intense movie scenes I've witnessed in a while.

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Watched The Phantom Menace last night, DSU freakin' rocks!
Just finished Phantom Menace as well. You'll also love Attack of the clones (if you haven't seen it with DSU yet) I kept turning my head back to look for the space ships/planes coming . I dont know how to explain it but you're right DSU is freaking awesome . Now on to Revenge of the Sith.

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I didn't have to...I saw Mad Max, Gravity, Interstellar, ... and they were all better @ home than @ my local theater. ...Picture and sound quality wise.
And my local theater, including IMAX (((3D))) ain't too shabby.
Hmm. Okay. So you're just speculating since you never heard it.

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Searching the Internet generally what I'm seeing is that if the HDCP 2.2 chain is broken you won't be able to display 4K. Of course, no mention on if that means 1080p will display. If you can display 1080p without needing a HDCP 2.2 projector, I would be happy to jump on the UHD bandwagon. Next question I've got is if UHD players will play 3D blu rays. I know at this point there aren't any 4K UHD plans, but the backwards compatibility would be appreciated.

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Hi Aras, long time no see. All the cover shots of the upcoming UHD packages show UHD Disc, Blu-ray disc and HD download. I too hope the Blu-ray disc includes the Atmos soundtrack. I have seen nothing to say it won't, but then nothing to say it will either. I guess we'll soon find out.
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Yep. How many of us can honestly say we have not had to compromise one or more aspects of our HTs? I know I can't. But they remain fabulous audio and visual experiences for us, often (usually?) surpassing many commercial cinemas. I can't ever remember spending money on anything material which has given me so much pleasure as the ability to watch movies at home with the kind of sound and picture quality we can so readily achieve nowadays. And with Atmos, DTS:X, UHD etc it continues to get better and better!
Definitely... although in my case being in an apartment & with the baby I don't get the chance to blast the sound... so I've found that going to the theater is worth while again (lol). The neighbor on the other side of the wall blasts house music any time I set the receiver past 60... & won't stop until 2 am even though I'm done watching the movie by 9 or 10pm. Soooo I've been watching movies quietly which sucks... the low end really suffers.

Due to the circumstances I'm probably not going UHD for another 4 years or so.
My plan is to get a UHD/HDR OLED when the tech is all worked out + 9.1.6 receiver at that time unless if something else drastic changes in the audio or video world by that time.
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Watched The Phantom Menace last night, DSU freakin' rocks!
Just watched the Maze Runner...I'm a little behind.....anyway DSU really worked well. The beginning elevator scene had me looking at my ceiling. Great bass as well.

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Next question I've got is if UHD players will play 3D blu rays. I know at this point there aren't any 4K UHD plans, but the backwards compatibility would be appreciated.

The Samsung will play bluray 3D.

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CES for consumer A/V seems like it was a bit of a bust overall. Glad I didn't go.
I feel like CES has changed. For home theater CEDIA now seems like the biggest event of the year.
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hideous?!?! I have one of these, handed down from my parents, in my living room where my newly acquired Pioneer up-firing Atmos speakers rest atop my vintage Marantz speakers. Can you say time warp? Or perhaps eclectic?

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The Arco floorlamp is very elegant indeed. The base is a masssive piece of Carara marble. When you head for the north-west coast leaving Pisa (I), you pass by the all the yards with the raw blocks of white marble. But those Koreans stole and raped the Castiglioni design. Not sure if they use the same marble. Maybe it's painted
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Just finished Phantom Menace as well. You'll also love Attack of the clones (if you haven't seen it with DSU yet) I kept turning my head back to look for the space ships/planes coming . I dont know how to explain it but you're right DSU is freaking awesome . Now on to Revenge of the Sith.

I'm wondering if it's because these were mixed with a (matrixed) hard rear center channel (Dolby Surround EX) - I find these have a more "overhead/flyby" effect on the sound, whereas a lot discrete 7.1 tracks are more spread out and seem to be more subtle in their use of the surround backs.

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