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Okay, for your situation, this would be my shortlist...

Monitor Audio Silver FX, $850 a pair...

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_893SLVR...FX-Walnut.html, (they also come in black oak, same price), or

Goldenear Technology, Aon 2, $399 each ($800 a pair)...

While I am a real Goldenear fan (obviously...), to be honest about it, I would favor the Monitor's.
They are not all that big, but their sound is pristine...
Their woofer is a proprietary 6 1/2" rigid driver which matches your 601s...
And, they are sealed units and a true bipole...you can run them dipole, but I would not.

Put them on stands, and smile...

I am sure that others can make still other recommendations...
The Goldenear Technology, Aon 2 are really expensive here in UK, almost £900 for the pair! The Monitors are i see the same ones you are using for your side surrounds also! Thats great, they look a nice small size too and i like the shape of them.

Someone else in last post recommended me the B&W 646 for the side surrounds, but if they are like my current 601 Back speakers then they will also be huge and a bit to big for the space I'm trying to fit them in!

So i have the Monitor Audio Silver FX Gloss Black chosen now for the sides most likely!

I could possibly even wall mount the right side speaker that is going behind the sofa/door and then put the left one near the fireplace on a stand.

By the way what sort of stand would i need for this speaker? Can you also tell me what you mean by a sealed unit?
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If you have an Atmos processor playing Atmos content but no tops, heights or upfiring speakers, does the processor redirect the overhead content to the surrounds or front to surrounds in some fashion?

Separately, if you have top middle only, does the processor put all overhead info into those speakers or, except for snaps, does it remap some of the content to the front mains and rear surrounds or side to side as the case may be?

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The Goldenear Technology, Aon 2 are really expensive here in UK, almost £900 for the pair! The Monitors are i see the same ones you are using for your side surrounds also! Thats great, they look a nice small size too and i like the shape of them.

Someone else in last post recommended me the B&W 646 for the side surrounds, but if they are like my current 601 Back speakers then they will also be huge and a bit to big for the space I'm trying to fit them in!

So i have the Monitor Audio Silver FX Gloss Black chosen now for the sides most likely!

I could possibly even wall mount the right side speaker that is going behind the sofa/door and then put the left one near the fireplace on a stand.

By the way what sort of stand would i need for this speaker? Can you also tell me what you mean by a sealed unit?
For stands, there are any number of makers and designs that would work, but stable. I have a couple of sets of these...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rch_detailpage

in my HT. They are a little industrial looking, but solid as a rock with locking pins and holes every 4" (6"?) or so. I also use mounting putty under each corner of stand mounted speakers to make them less susceptible of getting knocked off or out of position. They can be pushed up against a wall so that there is only about 6" between the back of the speaker and the wall.

Re sealed (acoustic suspension) vs ported speakers...most speakers these days are rear ported. That is, they have a hole in the box to let trapped air out of the box. That makes them a bit more picky about placement, as in, you cannot flush mount them on a wall without compromising their performance. Sealed units, on the other hand can be placed directly on the wall without affecting their performance.

Having said all of that, there is probably some boundary effect resulting from the plane of the wall such that you might notice a difference between mounting the same speaker on the wall vs on a stand.

Given that the only way that you are probably going to find speaker stands is in pairs, I would just stand mount both of them. If appearance is a factor for stands, Sanus (and others) make some reasonably priced more furniture looking stands.
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Here is Yamaha reply regarding NS-IC800

"Thanks for contacting Yamaha. The dispersion angle on those, and all other in-ceiling speakers, is about 45 degrees. On this particular model, you can swivel the tweeter 15 degrees in any direction, so it can be pointed at the listening position for more directed audio.

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Please see my new Speaker placements on the attached image.

Let me know of things that are majorly wrong here and/or what should be changed to be improved. The backs and sides i have put down to just above ear level which obviously you are not able to see in the image.

Before this my backs were UP about three quarters of the way to the ceiling and in the corners of the back wall.
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@Killer_Nads ,

What i would do in your case, given you have a relatively small room ...

1) Install surround speakers on stands, with the location you defined earlier (used B&W 601 or B&W 686)
2) Install back surrounds on stands or furniture, same height as surrounds (used B&W 601 or B&W 686), but do not set them up too much inside the room, you want to have them as far away as you can from your listening position.
3) Reuse your current B&W 601 as Top Rear Atmos, but you should aim the speakers down towards your sofa !
4) Get a pair of in-ceilings, place them about halfway , and designate them as Atmos Top Front.

Voila, 7.1.4
Hmm, that might be a clever use of my current Rear back surround speakers! Okay so what you are saying is that:

- i keep my current back ones in the same location where they currently sit but use them for back atmos speakers instead.

- Buy new side surround speakers (i think the Monitor Audio Silver FX is a perfect size for my sides).

- Install 2 atmos front speakers in the ceiling.

- Buy and set up 2 Rear Back surround speakers.

All that sounds good as i wouldn't have to move my current backs (less work) plus i also would only need to install 2 in ceiling speakers (also less work and holes). It sounds good on paper, but would the atmos perform just as good in this sort of configuration instead of the 4 in-ceiling ones?

Also from this i would have to work out how/where and what to install for my Rear Back speakers!
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Hmm, that might be a clever use of my current Rear back surround speakers! Okay so what you are saying is that:

- i keep my current back ones in the same location where they currently sit but use them for back atmos speakers instead.

- Buy new side surround speakers (i think the Monitor Audio Silver FX is a perfect size for my sides).

- Install 2 atmos front speakers in the ceiling.

- Buy and set up 2 Rear Back surround speakers.

All that sounds good as i wouldn't have to move my current backs (less work) plus i also would only need to install 2 in ceiling speakers (also less work and holes). It sounds good on paper, but would the atmos perform just as good in this sort of configuration instead of the 4 in-ceiling ones?

Also from this i would have to work out how/where and what to install for my Rear Back speakers!
I would think that Atmos would work in this configuration just about as well as your other proposed configuration. And, the other consideration, less work, is always appealing.
The only hitch might be (depending upon the AVR...) you would have to run them as Top Rear as opposed to Rear High. But, I still think that they would work...

I would suggest that if you go that route, consider Monitor Audio Silver 1s for your rear surrounds ($875 pair at Crutchfield and most other retailers state-side. They would be a timbre match with the Monitor Audio FX side surrounds.

Sounds like a plan!
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If you have an Atmos processor playing Atmos content but no tops, heights or upfiring speakers, does the processor redirect the overhead content to the surrounds or front to surrounds in some fashion?
All of the overhead sounds are included in the 7.1 ear-level speaker channels. If you have overhead speakers, the Atmos decoder moves the appropriate sounds from the ear-level speakers to the overheads.

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Overhead audio usually maps entirely to whichever overhead speakers you have. The person who mixed the soundtrack will have decided whether or not there should be any phantom-imaging between the overheads and the ear-level speakers.

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I would think that Atmos would work in this configuration just about as well as your other proposed configuration. And, the other consideration, less work, is always appealing.
The only hitch might be (depending upon the AVR...) you would have to run them as Top Rear as opposed to Rear High. But, I still think that they would work...

I would suggest that if you go that route, consider Monitor Audio Silver 1s for your rear surrounds ($875 pair at Crutchfield and most other retailers state-side. They would be a timbre match with the Monitor Audio FX side surrounds.

Sounds like a plan!
IF you do not already have the Atmos front pair, you might consider...

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_893CPCT...-CP-CT260.html

I do not have them, have not heard them, but they should work well with your setup.

Monitor Audio makes a number of in-wall models both larger and smaller and in
slightly different configurations. I like the models that incorporate a back box
so that you do not have to worry about that issue.
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I would think that Atmos would work in this configuration just about as well as your other proposed configuration. And, the other consideration, less work, is always appealing.
The only hitch might be (depending upon the AVR...) you would have to run them as Top Rear as opposed to Rear High. But, I still think that they would work...

I would suggest that if you go that route, consider Monitor Audio Silver 1s for your rear surrounds ($875 pair at Crutchfield and most other retailers state-side. They would be a timbre match with the Monitor Audio FX side surrounds.

Sounds like a plan!
Plan is definitely starting to come togather thats for sure!!

To be honest the work was not too bad as a builder/worker is going to be installing them anyway, so i won't need to do much apart from order him around and make sure he is doing things correctly Which is why I'm still looking for the best solution, but you say that this should work just the same, lets see if anyone else has any suggestions!

Im most likely going to go with the Marantz receiver, the one that can do 11 channels (with an extra stereo amp i guess). If we go this route, as those current speakers would be used instead the second pair of in ceiling atmos speakers then YES i would have them as TOP REAR (is this what the atmos speakers location is called?) instead of BACK REAR.

If you see my pics of my room from my post 1-2 days ago on here, do you think the positions of those current backs are perfect or do they need to be changed in anyway?

Those Monitor Audio Silver 1s look good, thanks for that suggestion, is that the best ones that you think i should go for? Anyone else with any other recommendations? These cost £500 in UK which are affordable. But i want the best solution, but also need to take into consideration i guess that the speakers need to match my current B&W's.


Also any suggestions for the in ceiling speakers? Do they need to point straight down or can the angle be twisted inside the speaker grill to point them to the coach from which ever location i install them in front of the Seats.

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I know this has probably been asked a multitude of times in this thread, but I know that each room has different dynamics. If my room is 14 feet wide, by lets say 40 feet long, my sitting area is 12 feet from the screen. Would I be better off running a 5.1.4 setup, or a 7.1.2 ? My ceiling is 7ft 2 inches tall. Also, I have energy rc-50s, energy rc-lcr, and rc-10 for surrounds, what would be a similar match for ceiling speakers ?

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Plan is definitely starting to come togather thats for sure!!

To be honest the work was not too bad as a builder/worker is going to be installing them anyway, so i won't need to do much apart from order him around and make sure he is doing things correctly Which is why I'm still looking for the best solution, but you say that this should work just the same, lets see if anyone else has any suggestions!

Im most likely going to go with the Marantz receiver, the one that can do 11 channels (with an extra stereo amp i guess). If we go this route, as those current speakers would be used instead the second pair of in ceiling atmos speakers then YES i would have them as TOP REAR (is this what the atmos speakers location is called?) instead of BACK REAR.

If you see my pics of my room from my post 1-2 days ago on here, do you think the positions of those current backs are perfect or do they need to be changed in anyway?

Those Monitor Audio Silver 1s look good, thanks for that suggestion, is that the best ones that you think i should go for? Anyone else with any other recommendations? These cost £500 in UK which are affordable. But i want the best solution, but also need to take into consideration i guess that the speakers need to match my current B&W's.


Also any suggestions for the in ceiling speakers? Do they need to point straight down or can the angle be twisted inside the speaker grill to point them to the coach from which ever location i install them in front of the Seats.

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"If you see my pics of my room from my post 1-2 days ago on here, do you think the positions of those current backs are perfect or do they need to be changed in anyway?"

I would suggest (as someone else already suggested...) that you point them closer to the seating position rather than straight out into the room as they appear to be now.
You may need to play with that to avoid "hot spotting" of the Top Rear speakers.
But, yes, I think that this would work.
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A lot of people told me "Once you go Anthem, you never go back." ARC is supposed to be on a whole new level over any other mainstream room correction too. Also, you shouldn't be paying MSRP anyway. I picked mine up from an authorized reseller (in Canada) even though I live in the US. I am getting it after customs tax (which I just found out I *might* not have to pay under NAFTA) and shipping for about 29% less than US MSRP.

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I guess I'll have to get my Front-Wides installed before watching The Force Awakens... at around 28 sec in he talks about pulling the music out of just the front L+R to widen the front sound stage. "Atmos takes it to another level"

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I have my computer hooked up to my Marantz sr6010. I went to my vudu account and found the Atmos demo. When running it, I saw this as an option- "multi-channel + Dolby Digital" When looking at the info screen the input didn't show the atmos front speakers on, but it did in my output.

What does this mean? Am I getting Atmos or not? Nothing labeled "atmos" appeared.
I have a Tivo Roamio Pro connected via HDMI to a Denon 6200 with a 5.1.4 config using Atmos Enabled speakers. Playing any one of the five Atmos demos on Vudu, the 6200 INFO screen reports:

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I guess I'll have to get my Front-Wides installed before watching The Force Awakens... at around 28 sec in he talks about pulling the music out of just the front L+R to widen the front sound stage. "Atmos takes it to another level"

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The trouble is that Disney won't release it in Atmos until UHD Blu-ray... And they won't be releasing those discs any time soon.
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I have a Tivo Roamio Pro connected via HDMI to a Denon 6200 with a 5.1.4 config using Atmos Enabled speakers. Playing any one of the five Atmos demos on Vudu, the 6200 INFO screen reports:

Sound: Dolby Atmos
Signal: Dolby Atmos/Digital +

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Active Speakers: FL, C, FR, SL, SR, FDL, FDR, SDL, SDR, SW

I have a green Movie button on my remote. Pressing it reveals different sound options. I set mine for Dolby Atmos/Surround.
I learned something today. When I go to Netflix on my PC there is no receiver option for Atmos, but if I use the app on my Sony BDP-s5500 it's there. Now I have no idea why one means would have options the other doesn't but at least I know nothing is broken or improperly connected.
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I learned something today. When I go to Netflix on my PC there is no receiver option for Atmos, but if I use the app on my Sony BDP-s5500 it's there. Now I have no idea why one means would have options the other doesn't but at least I know nothing is broken or improperly connected.
The PC app is limited. They don't think their customers have HDR monitors and Dolby Atmos receivers attached to their computers.

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The trouble is that Disney won't release it in Atmos until UHD Blu-ray... And they won't be releasing those discs any time soon.
That's a bummer - I just assumed the Blu-ray would be Atmos as well I guess I'll be holding out for the UHD.

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That does kinda suck, but honestly, I'd imagine that the movie would also sound pretty phenomenal in DSU, would it not? Double dip once it comes out on UHD. Personally, I can wait, but for those who can't or won't I still think it will sound great.
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That does kinda suck, but honestly, I'd imagine that the movie would also sound pretty phenomenal in DSU, would it not? Double dip once it comes out on UHD. Personally, I can wait, but for those who can't or won't I still think it will sound great.
Will it sound better with DSU than DD, probably, IMO most everything does, including the first 6, but if what I've just experienced with the Atmos version of "Lucy", it has the distinct possibility of not even coming close, but as always, it will depend on the mix.

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The Peanuts Movie UHD-BD is Dolby Atmos!
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Hm. You'd think people here would be a little more excited about confirmation Fox is finally going to release movies on UHD-BD in Atmos, rather than umpteen more postings about speaker positions and DSU comments.

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Yeah but.... it's friggin' Charlie Brown in Atmos.

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Sorry if this is not the right thread to ask this... if there is a better one let me know and I'll head there.

Given a clean slate, which I have, is a 45 degree angle forward and backward from the main listening position optimal for the 4 atmos ceiling speakers? (This appears to be what is suggested by the Dolby diagrams.

What if that position interferes with an ceiling joist? Better to bring the speakers to next nearest gap in the joists or the next furthest... that is, if 45 degrees is not possible, it is better to make the angle greater or less than 45 degrees?
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Sorry if this is not the right thread to ask this... if there is a better one let me know and I'll head there.

Given a clean slate, which I have, is a 45 degree angle forward and backward from the main listening position optimal for the 4 atmos ceiling speakers? (This appears to be what is suggested by the Dolby diagrams.

What if that position interferes with an ceiling joist? Better to bring the speakers to next nearest gap in the joists or the next furthest... that is, if 45 degrees is not possible, it is better to make the angle greater or less than 45 degrees?
Personally, unless it's a lot greater, I would say greater, if for no other reason that you're then getting into the "height" zone, and can play with setup options.
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It's not a long way... just to the other side of the interfering ceiling joist so less than 16 inches.
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