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Looking for advice on the setup of a 5.1.4 system. 5.1 makes the most sense for the living room as there isn't much space behind the main LP which is a couch. I'm able to mount speakers on the ceiling behind the couch to give myself "top rears." The speakers are Infinity Modulus satellites which I have angled to the main LP. I currently have the same satellites sitting on top of the front L R functioning as "Dolby Enabled" speakers even though they weren't designed for the task. I would like to move these speakers to a more ideal location. I was wondering what the ideal setup for implementing Atmos and other immersive audio formats in the future. The front L R speakers are approximately 10 feet away. i have the option of either mounting the front height speakers on the front wall or mounting the speakers overhead for Top fronts. Aesthetically the speakers would look better on the front wall but if there's a consensus that top fronts are way better then I might be able to swing it. I can post some pictures of my room when I get a chance.

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The Peanuts Movie UHD-BD is Dolby Atmos!


Fox is finally in!
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Personally, unless it's a lot greater, I would say greater, if for no other reason that you're then getting into the "height" zone, and can play with setup options.

But either way, depending on the receiver, you'll be in an "option" zone for tweaking.

Greater degree means closer to MLP and the opposite. Am I right?


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Holy Carp, your right, I'm thinking from center line/MLP not from floor, (my brain automatically went to greater= farther) thanks for the catch.
Fortunately he's not taking about a lot.

Man I hope I don't have to go patch drywall holes....
I'm already busy this weekend.

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Holy Carp, your right, I'm thinking from center line/MLP not from floor, (my brain automatically went to greater= farther) thanks for the catch.

Fortunately he's not taking about a lot.



Man I hope I don't have to go patch drywall holes....

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Hm. You'd think people here would be a little more excited about confirmation Fox is finally going to release movies on UHD-BD in Atmos, rather than umpteen more postings about speaker positions and DSU comments.
I am! But I'm also sad to see The Revenant will not have Atmos if we are to believe the press release.

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I am! But I'm also sad to see The Revenant will not have Atmos if we are to believe the press release.

One step forward, two steps backward...
But The Peanuts Movie was not expected to have Atmos either.

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But The Peanuts Movie was not expected to have Atmos either.
Yeah I know, that's why I said "if we are to believe the press release", there's still a glimmer of hope...

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The trouble is that Disney won't release it in Atmos until UHD Blu-ray... And they won't be releasing those discs any time soon.
Lol, and you know there's someone I'm a room somewhere conjuring up an idea of re-releasing the first 6 with remastered immersive immersive audio, so we have to re-buy those again too.

I'm in a cynical mood today so I'll go ahead and say it....
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I up loaded a crappy picture i made of my living room set-up. I currently have the onkyo tx-nr1030 coming and id like to know where i should put my atmos speakers. im only going to be using two ceiling to begain with so id like to know where 4 would go but only be using 2 for starters? feedback is welcome.........but not criticism of my drawing lol
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If you're sure you are going to end up with 4, I'd go directly above your couch, then add Top Fronts Later.

But if you think you may stay with only 2, about 1.5' in front of the couch.

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I up loaded a crappy picture i made of my living room set-up. I currently have the onkyo tx-nr1030 coming and id like to know where i should put my atmos speakers. im only going to be using two ceiling to begain with so id like to know where 4 would go but only be using 2 for starters? feedback is welcome.........but not criticism of my drawing lol
Just to be sure of what we are looking at...flat panel TV over the fireplace.

And, the unit behind the sofa...single channel back surround, subwoofer, other?

If the unit behind the sofa is not a subwoofer, are you running a subwoofer?

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Looking for advice on the setup of a 5.1.4 system. 5.1 makes the most sense for the living room as there isn't much space behind the main LP which is a couch. I'm able to mount speakers on the ceiling behind the couch to give myself "top rears." The speakers are Infinity Modulus satellites which I have angled to the main LP. I currently have the same satellites sitting on top of the front L R functioning as "Dolby Enabled" speakers even though they weren't designed for the task. I would like to move these speakers to a more ideal location. I was wondering what the ideal setup for implementing Atmos and other immersive audio formats in the future. The front L R speakers are approximately 10 feet away. i have the option of either mounting the front height speakers on the front wall or mounting the speakers overhead for Top fronts. Aesthetically the speakers would look better on the front wall but if there's a consensus that top fronts are way better then I might be able to swing it. I can post some pictures of my room when I get a chance.
Pictures! Front height or top fronts?! Gonna switch out the speaker wire to some white ones to better hide them
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I up loaded a crappy picture i made of my living room set-up. I currently have the onkyo tx-nr1030 coming and id like to know where i should put my atmos speakers. im only going to be using two ceiling to begain with so id like to know where 4 would go but only be using 2 for starters? feedback is welcome.........but not criticism of my drawing lol
Just to be sure of what we are looking at...flat panel TV over the fireplace.

And, the unit behind the sofa...single channel back surround, subwoofer, other?

If the unit behind the sofa is not a subwoofer, are you running a subwoofer?
I have a 100" acoustically transparent motorized screen that drops in front of the fire place and an Optima hd141x projector.
My speakers:
Klipsch kf-28 L/R
Klipsch kc-25 center
Klipsch ks-14 sur L/R/Rear Center........(I have a 3/4 wall in the back so I can't use 7)
Klipsch r-12sw subwoofer. Its between the fireplace and front right.......I didn't have room in my crummy picture lol

My viewing distance is about 10-12 ft
I want to know distance in from the surrounds and distance from the sofa. The room is 14.5' wide

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I have a 100" acoustically transparent motorized screen that drops in front of the fire place and an Optima hd141x projector.
My speakers:
Klipsch kf-28 L/R
Klipsch kc-25 center
Klipsch ks-14 sur L/R/Rear Center........(I have a 3/4 wall in the back so I can't use 7)
Klipsch r-12sw subwoofer. Its between the fireplace and front right.......I didn't have room in my crummy picture lol

My viewing distance is about 10-12 ft
I want to know distance in from the surrounds and distance from the sofa. The room is 14.5' wide
I think that I would put a pair in/on ceiling about midway between the sofa and the screen, maybe more toward the screen and pointed back to MLP and run them as Top Middle. And, I would I would put them inline with your leftmost and rightmost seating positions.

Then, once you go with 4 overhead, I would change those first 2 to Top Front. I would put the additional 2 behind the sofa either in/on ceiling or at the top of the rear wall and pointed toward the MLP and run those as Top Rear. And, I would line them up from the side with the front pair.

Those are the approximate positions that I would use, but adjusted as necessary for light fixtures, AC vents, etc.

But, that is just me...

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I have a 100" acoustically transparent motorized screen that drops in front of the fire place and an Optima hd141x projector.
My speakers:
Klipsch kf-28 L/R
Klipsch kc-25 center
Klipsch ks-14 sur L/R/Rear Center........(I have a 3/4 wall in the back so I can't use 7)
Klipsch r-12sw subwoofer. Its between the fireplace and front right.......I didn't have room in my crummy picture lol

My viewing distance is about 10-12 ft
I want to know distance in from the surrounds and distance from the sofa. The room is 14.5' wide
I think that I would put a pair in/on ceiling about midway between the sofa and the screen, maybe more toward the screen and pointed back to MLP and run them as Top Middle. And, I would I would put them inline with your leftmost and rightmost seating positions.

Then, once you go with 4 overhead, I would change those first 2 to Top Front. I would put the additional 2 behind the sofa either in/on ceiling or at the top of the rear wall and pointed toward the MLP and run those as Top Rear. And, I would line them up from the side with the front pair.

Those are the approximate positions that I would use, but adjusted as necessary for light fixtures, AC vents, etc.

But, that is just me...
When I decide to go with 4, put the last 2 being the sofa? Would that mess with the direction of sound i.e. sound hits the over head speakers before the surrounds? I'm slightly confused.
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When I decide to go with 4, put the last 2 being the sofa? Would that mess with the direction of sound i.e. sound hits the over head speakers before the surrounds? I'm slightly confused.
It will not...

Take a look at the Dolby recommendations for 7.1.4 with overhead speakers...

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...-4-setups.html

You know your space better than anyone else including me.

How close can you get to the recommended layout?

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When I decide to go with 4, put the last 2 being the sofa? Would that mess with the direction of sound i.e. sound hits the over head speakers before the surrounds? I'm slightly confused.
It will not...

Take a look at the Dolby recommendations for 7.1.4 with overhead speakers...

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...-4-setups.html

You know your space better than anyone else including me.

How close can you get to the recommended layout?
Actually very close. I'm currently running a 6.1 and since the onkyo tx-nr1030 is a 9.1 receiver I can't do a 7.1.4 I can however do a 5.1.4 I'll just lose my rear center. The only other thing I could do is do a pre-out for the rear center???? But idk how to go about that.
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Actually very close. I'm currently running a 6.1 and since the onkyo tx-nr1030 is a 9.1 receiver I can't do a 7.1.4 I can however do a 5.1.4 I'll just lose my rear center. The only other thing I could do is do a pre-out for the rear center???? But idk how to go about that.
You could run the rear surround as a one-channel surround...the 1030 provides for that.

Then, get an external amp to run your Top Rear. The 1030 will do 11 channels (7.1.4) using a pre-out...look at the manual. That is what I am doing.

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A "leaked" slide from the February 2016 HPA Technology Retreat in Indian Wells, California, appears to show that the ATSC choice to be the forthcoming ATSC 3.0 Audio standard will be "both" rather than just one or the other of Dolby AC-4 and MPEG-H 3D Audio . . . leaving specific national|regional implementation decisions about what that actually means unresolved?!





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A disco ball?



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Obviously you're not familiar with diffraction. .. disco ball creates a diffuse sound in the front sound stage
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A "leaked" slide from the February 2016 HPA Technology Retreat in Indian Wells, California, appears to show that the ATSC choice to be the forthcoming ATSC 3.0 Audio standard will be "both" rather than just one or the other of Dolby AC-4 and MPEG-H 3D Audio . . . leaving specific national|regional implementation decisions about what that actually means unresolved?!





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Is this another one of those things that makes everyone have to upgrade BD players and Recievers? LOL
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Why do you think the disco ball is angled the way it is and positioned to the left. ..
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Why do you think the disco ball is angled the way it is and positioned to the left. ..
Wow, I thought you were joking with sarcasm. Seriously?
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hello guys!

which is the cheapest AVR that supports dolby atmos - 5.1.2 (even with external amp)?
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A "leaked" slide from the February 2016 HPA Technology Retreat in Indian Wells, California, appears to show that the ATSC choice to be the forthcoming ATSC 3.0 Audio standard will be "both" rather than just one or the other of Dolby AC-4 and MPEG-H 3D Audio . . . leaving specific national|regional implementation decisions about what that actually means unresolved?!




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Is this another one of those things that makes everyone have to upgrade BD players and Receivers? LOL

There will likely be official announcements regarding the ATSC 3.0 recommendations at the forthcoming NAB SHOW 2016 (Las Vegas, April 16 - 21) . . . followed by several years of heated discussions concerning the consequences and costs to US consumers of ATSC 3.0 adoption!


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post #38730 of 54995 Old 03-06-2016, 12:12 AM
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Wow, I thought you were joking with sarcasm. Seriously?
Just pulling your leg... The disco ball was there when I moved in and there it stayed. Now back to the more pertinent question. Front height vs. top fronts?!
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