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post #481 of 55014 Old 07-04-2014, 04:07 PM
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That would look ridiculous (imo). I'd try in-ceiling speakers and let the AVR adjust the distance.
Not necessarily. The distance (and probably the angles) seem too severe for the AVR to adjust it. It would be very hard to aim the in-ceilings as well (plus, they wouldn't have the proper dispersion). Digital calibration software is notoriously bad at calculating sloped ceilings (that's why no commercial theaters have them... besides them being a bitch at getting good acoustics).
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Oh I agree, it's less than ideal but I can't imagine how bad it would look. Not sure the cost would justify the results. Im sure Atmos is good but it can't be good enough to hang boxes from poles on a vaulted ceiling.

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Oh I agree, it's less than ideal but I can't imagine how bad it would look. Not sure the cost would justify the results. In sure Atmos is good but it can't be good enough to hang boxes from poles on a vaulted ceiling.
I guess if you want object surround bad enough and this is the only room you have to work with. The posts and speakers can always be painted white, if the theater system is in a multi-use room.

You often times have to get creative with vaulted ceilings when you hang ceiling fans, for instance.

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Perhaps I missed a post somewhere...? but as I look at this (unattributed, but Denon-ish in appearance) graphic, am I correct in thinking that the five pairs of elevated speakers shown constitute the complete 10 Atmos ceiling locations to which Dolby has made reference, even though two pairs are show at the intersection of wall and ceiling? While it seems like the Atmos mass market implementation is "limited" to max four height speakers (designated pairs H1 and H2) there appears to be some flexibility in the algorithm as to where they are placed, and perhaps different elections made by each CEM. For example, this is what would have allowed Yamaha to retask the existing on-wall Front and Rear Presence speaker pairs on the RX-A2040|RX-A3040 as Atmos Front and Rear Height speaker pairs...?!


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i just read that twoce article sounds like this
iteration atmos is merely a stop gap with more evolution to arrive later on
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Perhaps I missed a post somewhere...? but as I look at this (unattributed, but Denon-ish in appearance) graphic, am I correct in thinking that the five pairs of elevated speakers shown constitute the complete 10 Atmos ceiling locations to which Dolby has made reference, even though two pairs are show at the intersection of wall and ceiling? While it seems like the Atmos mass market implementation is "limited" to max four height speakers (designated pairs H1 and H2) there appears to be some flexibility in the algorithm as to where they are placed, and perhaps different elections made by each CEM. For example, this is what would have allowed Yamaha to retask the existing on-wall Front and Rear Presence speaker pairs on the RX-A2040|RX-A3040 as Atmos Front and Rear Height speaker pairs...?!


In the Denon thread JD explains that there are only six possible Atmos "height" speakers and those are in "top" positions. If you choose to use 4 ceiling speakers, you'd place them in the top-front and top-rear positions. If you choose to use 2 ceiling speakers, you'd place them in the top-middle position. The other height speakers in the diagram would be used for other sound modes like DSX, DPLIIz, or DTS Neo:X and not Atmos.
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...am I correct in thinking that the five pairs of elevated speakers shown constitute the complete 10 Atmos ceiling locations to which Dolby has made reference...?
Seems that way to me, even if initial AVRs are only acknowledging three of the five pairs.
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Onkyo has the Atmos speaker module (sitting on top of existing speaker) to bounce sound off of the ceiling, no specs and not sure if price stated is each or per pair. They were on the Canadian Onkyo site but now the picture has disappeared.

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And I've seen theaters in a couple of friends' McMansions that are located at the top of the house, underneath the main roof gable. The problem here is that often the ceilings are designed to be a pointed gable system too, which is just like having a vaulted ceiling, except you have 2 or 4 vaults to deal with. A solution might be to add a flat ceiling to the design at some point....a barn style ceiling as it were. My bonus room where my theater is has such a ceiling which would make installing ceiling mounted speakers possible. It would be a larger construction job, but if you have the budget, it may make sense for some people.
Soundtube makes some speakers that are hung by wire. These may be ideal for vailted ceilings and such. I'm not sure how well they will match up to other speakers in the system though.

Has anybody had any experience with these?
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i still don't get the idea of atmos having ceiling speakers in the middle of ceiling in the home version... only auro-3D has a VOG (voice of god) middle of ceiling speaker in hometheater setup. only pro setups have ceiling speakers for atmos coz of the large room they are going to be in. that avr like denon and yamaha have the option to put the heights in the ceiling downfacing in the corners doesn't mean they do the ceiling middle speaker output for atmos like in a theater. atmos is 2 layer vs auro-3D 3 layer sound. auro-3D for the home does support the middle VOG ceilingspeaker, home atmos does not.

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Soundtube makes some speakers that are hung by wire. These may be ideal for vailted ceilings and such. I'm not sure how well they will match up to other speakers in the system though.
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you be wanting the same speakers as the rears , timbre matched. you can hang any speaker on a wire or pole from the ceiling, so that can't be an issue.

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Soundtube makes some speakers that are hung by wire. These may be ideal for vailted ceilings and such. I'm not sure how well they will match up to other speakers in the system though.

Has anybody had any experience with these?
I work for SoundTube. Just in case you have any questions :-)

I have to agree though that ideally you would have timbre-matched speakers all around. While SoundTube's premium line of pendant speakers is a good-sounding speaker, it probably wouldn't be ideal except in an all-SoundTube system.
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Almost no studio wants to go in and remix with out the creatives being involved..

Home Atmos also adds up mixing (like PLIIx...)

From what I've heard of it, it's very impressive.
I think James Cameron will release Titanic and Avatar with Atmos in order to get more sales.
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i still don't get the idea of atmos having ceiling speakers in the middle of ceiling in the home version... only auro-3D has a VOG (voice of god) middle of ceiling speaker in hometheater setup. only pro setups have ceiling speakers for atmos coz of the large room they are going to be in. that avr like denon and yamaha have the option to put the heights in the ceiling downfacing in the corners doesn't mean they do the ceiling middle speaker output for atmos like in a theater. atmos is 2 layer vs auro-3D 3 layer sound. auro-3D for the home does support the middle VOG ceilingspeaker, home atmos does not.
This reminds me of IMAX center height speaker. What does it do?
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Existing Blu-rays in Dolby True HD can be played in Atmos mode, a derived upmixing. Not applicable to DTS-HD MA?
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This may have been mentioned already, but this is an epic massive thread. I'm actually in the position of designing a theater room from scratch, I'll be doing pre-wiring next month or month after. I understand Atmos is scalable between as few as 5 speakers to 32 depending on room size.


I need to know how many speakers to wire for a 15x22ft room and where to put them.

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Existing Blu-rays in Dolby True HD can be played in Atmos mode, a derived upmixing. Not applicable to DTS-HD MA?
If it's like Dolby ProLogic then of course it is. I'm sure it will be format agnostic.

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This may have been mentioned already, but this is an epic massive thread. I'm actually in the position of designing a theater room from scratch, I'll be doing pre-wiring next month or month after. I understand Atmos is scalable between as few as 5 speakers to 32 depending on room size.


I need to know how many speakers to wire for a 15x22ft room and where to put them.
This will seem like a terse reply, but you're in the same boat as practically everyone else who doesn't work for Dolby. You'll have to wait for more information from the people who designed the format. We're only at the preliminary guessing stage right now.

There was supposed to be more announcements prior to CEDIA in September. Maybe we'll get more details without yet another bout of wondering, and you'll be able to start planning and wiring.

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Yup. Smart move for any Atmos fan would be to wait.
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Yup. Smart move for any Atmos fan would be to wait.
Not terse at all, I get it. I'm actually thankful there's no hard timeline for building the room yet. Actually I'm in Denver, someone who works for AVS offered to get me into Cedia this year, now I've got all the more reason to go!
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This will seem like a terse reply, but you're in the same boat as practically everyone else who doesn't work for Dolby. You'll have to wait for more information from the people who designed the format. We're only at the preliminary guessing stage right now.

There was supposed to be more announcements prior to CEDIA in September. Maybe we'll get more details without yet another bout of wondering, and you'll be able to start planning and wiring.
Hey Snake, wouldn't hurt to have an acoustic analysis of the room done before you build the room. With the inclusion of Atmos, getting everything from 2 channel and beyond just got a wee bit more complicated. I used Rives Audio for my home theater, worked out great.
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Hey Snake, wouldn't hurt to have an acoustic analysis of the room done before you build the room. With the inclusion of Atmos, getting everything from 2 channel and beyond just got a wee bit more complicated. I used Rives Audio for my home theater, worked out great.
Good call, do it right from the get go. I went to rivesaudio.com and they do have "dealers" in Colorado. The basement will be the theater room, so they can analyze before the room even gets framed?
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Not terse at all, I get it. I'm actually thankful there's no hard timeline for building the room yet. Actually I'm in Denver, someone who works for AVS offered to get me into Cedia this year, now I've got all the more reason to go!
I'm just north of you. I'm thinking of going myself, though it will probably have to be on Saturday, the last day of the event. Too bad they don't do these conventions over the weekend.

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Good call, do it right from the get go. I went to rivesaudio.com and they do have "dealers" in Colorado. The basement will be the theater room, so they can analyze before the room even gets framed?
Yes, every inch of the room gets looked at from the dimensions of your chair to the depth of a window ledge.

I'll add this nugget since we're talking about Atmos and ceiling sound - while i only have a 5.1 set up in the den, there is a scene in Master and Commander where i hear footsteps running across the ceiling, very clear, very strong. Point being, a well built room to an acoustic analysis, highly rewarding.

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This reminds me of IMAX center height speaker. What does it do?
IMAX is using a phantom speaker idea that create a wide soundstage and is equal for all seats. they use a lot of fullrange speakers with a huge amps section and a special post-production with bigger bandwidth and calibrated speaker timings so u can hear exactly where a sound is. it gets a daily finetune of all equipment and is monitored by imax to make sure it performs at their standards.the center height speaker is used to get center sounds to the public in the rear. it is using a acoustic model that is still from 1 layer. atmos heights is sorta doing the same, but has 2 layers and helps enhance the sides like the 2 rears do for 7.1 a phantom sound that is actually played to a real speaker. auro-3D ceiling speaker has a separate channel (3th layer) to add to the whole soundfield and makes u hear sounds from above (hence the VOG voice of god name) or in case of some music-performance it re-creates the sound bounced to and from the ceiling. sorta like the sound u hear in a church. all have their own way of creating a 3D soundstage.

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Quick question...........!!!!!!!!

Has anyone here actually heard Atmos in use?

I'm digging through post after post just trying to find someone that has and I can't find anyone after like 10 pages and I'm getting sick of looking. Tons and tons of posts on setups and everything else. But it doesn't seem as though anyone has actually experienced Atmos.

So please for the love of God, has anyone here actually watched a movie in Atmos anywhere and can share their experience?

I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
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Yes, every inch of the room gets looked at from the dimensions of your chair to the depth of a window ledge.

I'll add this nugget since we're talking about Atmos and ceiling sound - while i only have a 5.1 set up in the den, there is a scene in Master and Commander where i hear footsteps running across the ceiling, very clear, very strong. Point being, a well built room to an acoustic analysis, highly rewarding.
I've always wanted to do that. I've had several theater rooms, all in rent houses, so I make do. This will be my 1st opportunity for acoustic perfection. Did it cost an arm and a leg?

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Quick question...........!!!!!!!!

Has anyone here actually heard Atmos in use?

I'm digging through post after post just trying to find someone that has and I can't find anyone after like 10 pages and I'm getting sick of looking. Tons and tons of posts on setups and everything else. But it doesn't seem as though anyone has actually experienced Atmos.

So please for the love of God, has anyone here actually watched a movie in Atmos anywhere and can share their experience?

I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
I saw The Hobbit and Live Free or Die Hard in theaters with Atmos. The Hobbit was especially impressive, definitely the most immersive experience I've ever had. Die Hard had good effects, the helicopter circling in the last scene was particularly good, sadly the theater had the volume too low, a common offense these days.
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Quick question...........!!!!!!!!

Has anyone here actually heard Atmos in use?

I'm digging through post after post just trying to find someone that has and I can't find anyone after like 10 pages and I'm getting sick of looking. Tons and tons of posts on setups and everything else. But it doesn't seem as though anyone has actually experienced Atmos.

So please for the love of God, has anyone here actually watched a movie in Atmos anywhere and can share their experience?

I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
I'm off to see Transformers later on this afternoon in my local Atmos theatre, here's hoping it lives up to the hype!



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Quick question...........!!!!!!!!

Has anyone here actually heard Atmos in use?

I'm digging through post after post just trying to find someone that has and I can't find anyone after like 10 pages and I'm getting sick of looking. Tons and tons of posts on setups and everything else. But it doesn't seem as though anyone has actually experienced Atmos.

So please for the love of God, has anyone here actually watched a movie in Atmos anywhere and can share their experience?

I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
I heard it yesterday, it was the new transformers it sounded ok, but not that impressed. It's not in the same league as my 5.1 home set up.

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