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post #51391 of 55447 Old 09-02-2018, 10:00 AM
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Ok have decided to go with .4 in locations you suggested. My options based on my price range here in Australia for the REAR (already have a pair for the fronts) in-ceiling speakers here in Australia has been narrowed down to:
1. RSL c34e’s with their 15 degree angle and wide dispersion
2. Yamaha NS IC800’s which can play straight down, and tweeter can also be angled.

If I set up my rear in-ceilings as you suggested, which of the two would you recommend? Will the RSL’s be too angled in, narrowing the possible seating positions? (I know they have wide dispersions, I guess i’m Just worried about their 15 degree angle)
I have the RSL c34e's and they will be fine. The 15 degrees refers to the angle of the mount in which the 3" "woofers" sit. Instead of simply radiating 360 degrees from the ceiling position, they radiate toward your seating with a very broad pattern. The tweeter is independently aimable and the dispersion is exceptional. I direct the 15 degree mount toward my MLP, add a little more tilt to the tweeter since my seating is at about 45 degrees. Definitely not any concern about aiming or dispersion limitations.

The RSL website - https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/ - has a good picture showing that angle. One of the pics on my HT site shows how I direct them toward my listening postions if you zoom on the right side of the installed speaker pic -- the pic midway through this post: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/15-ge...l#post46927353 .
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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1
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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1
I watched the UHD HDR quality version of Amazon's Jack Ryan series on my Roku Premiere+ and got Atmos audio in the bargain.

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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1

Pretty sure Atmos is only available in the 4K UHD stream. We tried multiple devices at a buddy's house and could only get 5.1. He only has a 1080p display, so...no Atmos.

I don't have access to Amazon Video, so I can't test it on my system.
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I have the RSL c34e's and they will be fine .
Good to hear!!
As the RSL’s are ~AUD$160 more expensive than the Yamaha’s for the pair (for me at least as Yammie’s available here in Australia, have to pay postage from US and 10% import tax on the RSL’s), are the RSL’s with their wide dispersion superior to the Yamaha’s?

Happy to pay more if their worth it. But if Yamaha’s are just as good then i’ll Go for the cheaper local pair

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Good to hear!!
As the RSL’s are ~AUD$160 more expensive than the Yamaha’s for the pair (for me at least as Yammie’s available here in Australia, have to pay postage from US and 10% import tax on the RSL’s), are the RSL’s with their wide dispersion superior to the Yamaha’s?

Happy to pay more if their worth it. But if Yamaha’s are just as good then i’ll Go for the cheaper local pair
I can't compare the sound. My thinking is that the RSL's are better than most "standard" in ceiling, but can only look at specs and price like you. US Amazon shows the Yamahas at $135 a PAIR and the RSL sells for $125 EACH. So right off, the RSLs are more expensive. Then your added cost. Worthwhile?

I can say this which you probably thought about. If you get the Yamaha 8", you COULD replace them with the RSLs with their larger outside diameter (total speaker, not drivers). If you cut for the 10" RSLs, you can't easily change to an 8".

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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1
LG Amazon App shows DD5.1 in the menu but would playback with Dolby Atmos (for 4K UHD Dolby Vision version of Jack Ryan)

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Pretty sure Atmos is only available in the 4K UHD stream. We tried multiple devices at a buddy's house and could only get 5.1. He only has a 1080p display, so...no Atmos.

I don't have access to Amazon Video, so I can't test it on my system.
Thanks. I should have been more clear, and mentioned that I was watching the UHD version. It looks like Amazon has not updated their app on the Shield yet(?) to support Atmos.
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I watched the UHD HDR quality version of Amazon's Jack Ryan series on my Roku Premiere+ and got Atmos audio in the bargain.
Great series! I just finished watching the last episode last night. With my Sony 900F - - it was Dolby Vision and I believe Dolby Atmos, as well. Normally, my AVR lights up "Dolby Atmos" on the panel. I see this with Netflix and Bluray Atmos soundtracks.

Question: I do not see "Atmos" on the Amazon Prime label. When I searched Amazon Prime for "Dolby Atmos," or "Atmos," I looked at a sampler that had Dolby Atmos but my AVR shows DD+ + Dolby Atmos - - which is really weird. The height speakers were definitely engaged and it didn't show DSU - it showed DD+ + Dolby Atmos. Maybe it's my AVR but I wish Amazon Prime would do a better job of labeling content.

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Great series! I just finished watching the last episode last night. With my Sony 900F - - it was Dolby Vision and I believe Dolby Atmos, as well. Normally, my AVR lights up "Dolby Atmos" on the panel. I see this with Netflix and Bluray Atmos soundtracks.

Question: I do not see "Atmos" on the Amazon Prime label. When I searched Amazon Prime for "Dolby Atmos," or "Atmos," I looked at a sampler that had Dolby Atmos but my AVR shows DD+ + Dolby Atmos - - which is really weird. The height speakers were definitely engaged and it didn't show DSU - it showed DD+ + Dolby Atmos. Maybe it's my AVR but I wish Amazon Prime would do a better job of labeling content.
Why is that weird? Streaming versions of Atmos will typically use the 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus codec for transport....
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Why is that weird? Streaming versions of Atmos will typically use the 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus codec for transport....
Weird because all other DD+ 5.1 streams with lossy Dolby Atmos show up as Dolby Atmos on my Denon 5200 AVR display. With Amazon Prime streaming, it did not display as straight Dolby Atmos. In fact, I had to look at the second line on my display as it read Dolby Digital Plus + Dolby Atmos. As I said before - probably the way my older AVR displays the codecs.
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Technically speaking it's not a "5.1 DD+ stream", it's a "DD+ stream". That stream contains a backwards compatible 5.1 track but when you take the [lossy] Atmos portion of the same datastream (and a compatible device detects it), the sum of the two parts becomes an Atmos 3D-sound soundtrack and it stops being a "5.1" or "7.1" soundtrack.
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I watched the UHD HDR quality version of Amazon's Jack Ryan series on my Roku Premiere+ and got Atmos audio in the bargain.
My 2016 Roku Ultra gets the Atmos version, but naturally the forever, ongoing, buggy unit continues to do the Prime audio dropout routine; but my Fire UHD 2017 unit does the UHD, Atmos edition of Jack Ryan nicely....took a little time to find the UHD version (not the 1080P), and then change the audio setting when it started to stream to turn on the Atmos sound, but now every ongoing edition is set up nicely.

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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1
I am getting atmos on my xbox one x
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Technically speaking it's not a "5.1 DD+ stream", it's a "DD+ stream". That stream contains a backwards compatible 5.1 track but when you take the [lossy] Atmos portion of the same datastream (and a compatible device detects it), the sum of the two parts becomes an Atmos 3D-sound soundtrack and it stops being a "5.1" or "7.1" soundtrack.
That’s my point with Amazon Prime - it doesn’t show “Dolby Atmos” as the soundtrack on the display. Netflix does. At least from what I’m seeing.
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I am getting atmos on my xbox one x
I don't think that was real Atmos. Xbox has never bitstreamed source audio from apps (other than the Blu-ray app).

So if you have your Xbox set to Atmos, it's just taking whatever audio stream it gets, "up-converts" it on the fly and outputs Atmos. I'd much rather let DSU do its thing to a DD+ 5.1 than trust the Xbox. Who knows what Xbox does to the source.

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Has anyone tried to watch Amazon's "Jack Ryan"? At least via my nVidia Shield, I am not getting Atmos, just DD+ 5.1

Then you can use DSU or NeuralX, far better then Atmos..........
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That’s my point with Amazon Prime - it doesn’t show “Dolby Atmos” as the soundtrack on the display. Netflix does. At least from what I’m seeing.
Agreed, Amazon's labelling is all over the place. It shows "5.1" and no indication that Atmos is available.
Amazon don't care. They are hiding their best content inside duplicate "UHD" titled items which cannot be searched for, only found at the bottom of the pile inside a cupboard if you look very hard.
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I don't think that was real Atmos. Xbox has never bitstreamed source audio from apps (other than the Blu-ray app).

So if you have your Xbox set to Atmos, it's just taking whatever audio stream it gets, "up-converts" it on the fly and outputs Atmos. I'd much rather let DSU do its thing to a DD+ 5.1 than trust the Xbox. Who knows what Xbox does to the source.
The xbox supports Atmos for both games and Netflix for more than half a year now. It does however not bitstream the original DD+ 5.1 track, but places it in an uncompressed Atmos bitstream. That is why you don't see DD+ or TrueHD on your receiver when using the Xbox, except when playing blu-rays where it does bitstream the original audio stream.
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The xbox supports Atmos for both games and Netflix for more than half a year now. It does however not bitstream the original DD+ 5.1 track, but places it in an uncompressed Atmos bitstream. That is why you don't see DD+ or TrueHD on your receiver when using the Xbox, except when playing blu-rays where it does bitstream the original audio stream.
Right. I was in the preview for both the bitstream disc rollout, and the Atmos rollout. Sending everything Atmos is annoying, not a "feature". Xbox has come a long way with audio since it built the S (a UHD player without bitstream at the time).

My gripe is you have no clarity into what the source audio of the app you are using is (been this way on Xbox for a long time). Am I getting stereo, DD, DD+, Atmos? I'm usually playing "device roulette" (and usually end up on Chromecast Ultra) to get the best possible audio codec. Xbox doesn't give me a way to tell what I am getting, it just chucks it into an Atmos stream, as you said.

I'd rather let my receiver decode the source audio, and let DSU or Nueral:X apply it as designed. Xbox throwing it into an Atmos stream means my receiver cannot do what it was designed to do, and upmix these formats to 7.1.4.

Hell I can put HULU 2.0 show on, and it will send as Dolby Atmos. Do I really trust Xbox to take a 2.0 stream and apply it effectively to 7.1.4? Of course not.
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An additional thought to add to my earlier reply. While I am very cool about the benefits of two additional speakers on the ceiling of my HT, I am open to persuasion about the benefit of adding Wides. I am not noticing any significant gap in the sound between my mains and my side surrounds, thanks to excellent phantom imaging, but that 'gap' represents the biggest single space between any of my sets of adjacent speakers, so it could be a candidate for a physical speaker there. I also pre-wired for Wides so it is easy to add a further pair.

Of course, I would still need another 2ch amp, for which there is currently no room in my rack (but I could sort that out). And a new AVR of course that could handle 9.x.4 which my current unit cannot. So it would not be a cheap, or simple, upgrade. I question how much real benefit I might get out of it but it's a thought - certainly much more attractive to me (in my single row theater) than an extra pair on the ceiling.

Overall, I think 9 on the floor and 4 on the ceiling is probably a more worthwhile solution than 7 on the floor and 6 on the ceiling - for me at any rate.
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An additional thought to add to my earlier reply. While I am very cool about the benefits of two additional speakers on the ceiling of my HT, I am open to persuasion about the benefit of adding Wides. I am not noticing any significant gap in the sound between my mains and my side surrounds, thanks to excellent phantom imaging, but that 'gap' represents the biggest single space between any of my sets of adjacent speakers, so it could be a candidate for a physical speaker there. I also pre-wired for Wides so it is easy to add a further pair.

Of course, I would still need another 2ch amp, for which there is currently no room in my rack (but I could sort that out). And a new AVR of course that could handle 9.x.4 which my current unit cannot. So it would not be a cheap, or simple, upgrade. I question how much real benefit I might get out of it but it's a thought - certainly much more attractive to me (in my single row theater) than an extra pair on the ceiling.

Overall, I think 9 on the floor and 4 on the ceiling is probably a more worthwhile solution than 7 on the floor and 6 on the ceiling - for me at any rate.
This is essentially an argument based on cost and that is a very important aspect of any home theater, especially when it comes to upgrading it. The implementation of wides themselves do not amount to much these days because of the media content available that actively uses them. Phantom imaging in a home theater is a big deal and yet there are few comments about the center speaker whose output could be the result of phantom imaging, instead of an actual center speaker. Hopefully, future Dolby Atmos mixes will better utilize the wides.
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I am not noticing any significant gap in the sound between my mains and my side surrounds, thanks to excellent phantom imaging, but that 'gap' represents the biggest single space between any of my sets of adjacent speakers, so it could be a candidate for a physical speaker there. I also pre-wired for Wides so it is easy to add a further pair.
Content intended for the Wides location doesn't always phantom image there due to the snap-to-speaker feature of Atmos. An easily audible example is the song that plays over the end credits of Star Trek Beyond, which clearly stretches out to the Wides but collapses to the Fronts when there are no Wides (as opposed to those sounds phantom imaging between the Fronts and Sides).
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4 speakers above might have an advantage compared to 6 speakers above. The home version of Atmos doesn't array channel info the way the cinema version does (unless the speakers for those channels are missing). So if your configuration includes Top Middles, all the channel info will go there while other speakers overhead will only reproduce object info. You'll notice that when Stu reports on Atmos mixes that make limited use of the format (e.g., Guardians of the Galaxy 2), he sometimes mentions that his Top Middles get most of the sound while the Top Fronts & Top Rears sound kinda anemic because they're playing back what appears to be residual/ambient sounds. If the TM pair is missing, then the channel info will get split to the TF & TR pairs, and they won't be so quiet any more.

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An additional thought to add to my earlier reply. While I am very cool about the benefits of two additional speakers on the ceiling of my HT, I am open to persuasion about the benefit of adding Wides. I am not noticing any significant gap in the sound between my mains and my side surrounds, thanks to excellent phantom imaging, but that 'gap' represents the biggest single space between any of my sets of adjacent speakers, so it could be a candidate for a physical speaker there. I also pre-wired for Wides so it is easy to add a further pair.

Of course, I would still need another 2ch amp, for which there is currently no room in my rack (but I could sort that out). And a new AVR of course that could handle 9.x.4 which my current unit cannot. So it would not be a cheap, or simple, upgrade. I question how much real benefit I might get out of it but it's a thought - certainly much more attractive to me (in my single row theater) than an extra pair on the ceiling.

Overall, I think 9 on the floor and 4 on the ceiling is probably a more worthwhile solution than 7 on the floor and 6 on the ceiling - for me at any rate.
Interesting comments and observations on the benefits of adding Wides to your setup. And, by the way, a real nice link to your "Barn" theater setup. It really looks nice.

I have a much more modest layout with an older AVR (Denon 5200) which enabled me to use both Front Wides and Front & Rear Height speakers with the addition of a separate AudioSource 2 channel amp for the Rear Height speakers. (Which is great because when it's "active" and a signal is going to the Rear Height (and I assume Front Height) speakers - - it lights up green.) The Denon AVR 5200 has the older "Neo-X" option with Front Wides. I use this with most TV viewing - - cable stations, sports. For streaming and the occasional Bluray movie - - I use DSU or Dolby Atmos with the Rear Heights. I find the the Front Wides do fill in the small gap between my Side Surrounds in a 7.1.4 (Front Wides, Front Height), DTS Neo X configuration or I'll use all the height speakers via 7.1.4 with DSU and Dolby Atmos.

I still have a 100" projection screen and older, short throw, BenQ W1080 ST projector) that has been totally mothballed due to my 75" Sony 900F with Dolby Vision. I just can't watch it anymore (I know - lower quality model but I could only use a short throw projector in my space). The clarity, shadow detail and brightness of my Sony 900F with HDR & Dolby Vision (plus much more Dolby Atmos from Netflix and even Amazon Prime) solidly trumps the loss of a 25" bigger screen. For that "big theater" experience, I've subscribed to AMC Stubs A-List and MoviePass. The best projection I've seen to date was a dual laser, Dolby Vision, presentation of Crazy Rich Asians.

I also find it amusing that "Front Wides" were not an option with models after 2014 and not readily available with current AVR's. I guess it's just another technology that wasn't readily adapted. I still like them for cable sports and other cable shows. I think you already have a great setup and would not get much bang for the buck with the addition of Front Wide speakers.

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This is essentially an argument based on cost and that is a very important aspect of any home theater, especially when it comes to upgrading it.
Cost isn't a major factor for me - it's more the hassle and whether there are real, audible benefits.

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The implementation of wides themselves do not amount to much these days because of the media content available that actively uses them.
Well Atmos uses them And all my legacy content (if I decide to upmix with Neural:X anyway).

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Phantom imaging in a home theater is a big deal and yet there are few comments about the center speaker whose output could be the result of phantom imaging, instead of an actual center speaker.
Only if your cinema has one seat. Phantom imaging is just fine, and always has been (eg for stereo for decades) so long as you sit plumb between the speakers. Move a little to either side and the imaging collapses towards that side. For stereo music where there is mostly one listener sitting centrally, that is OK but for cinema use, where there is often more than one listener and even more than one row of seats, phantom imagining of the center channel won't work properly except for the lucky listener in the center seat.

As a general principal, phantom imaging works extremely well iof the system is properly set up, but nothing will ever beat a physical speaker in a physical location, obviously. I am fortunate in that in my HT I am often the sole audience member and in any case any other listeners are not critical and are just in awe of a good home cinema experience. So it is all optimized for my seat.

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Hopefully, future Dolby Atmos mixes will better utilize the wides.
I am sure it will, just as Atmos mixes have steadily improved since launch as mixers become more familiar with object audio and the tools at their disposal.
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Content intended for the Wides location doesn't always phantom image there due to the snap-to-speaker feature of Atmos. An easily audible example is the song that plays over the end credits of Star Trek Beyond, which clearly stretches out to the Wides but collapses to the Fronts when there are no Wides (as opposed to those sounds phantom imaging between the Fronts and Sides).

4 speakers above might have an advantage compared to 6 speakers above. The home version of Atmos doesn't array channel info the way the cinema version does (unless the speakers for those channels are missing). So if your configuration includes Top Middles, all the channel info will go there while other speakers overhead will only reproduce object info. You'll notice that when Stu reports on Atmos mixes that make limited use of the format (e.g., Guardians of the Galaxy 2), he sometimes mentions that his Top Middles get most of the sound while the Top Fronts & Top Rears sound kinda anemic because they're playing back what appears to be residual/ambient sounds. If the TM pair is missing, then the channel info will get split to the TF & TR pairs, and they won't be so quiet any more.
All excellent points, especially the part about 4 overheads vs 6. Interesting also about Wides and snap-to. Hmm... maybe I should think more seriously about it...
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Interesting comments and observations on the benefits of adding Wides to your setup. And, by the way, a real nice link to your "Barn" theater setup. It really looks nice.
Thanks! It was a real labor of love (and money!) But I watch a movie almost every day and get a huge amount of enjoyment from it.

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I have a much more modest layout with an older AVR (Denon 5200) which enabled me to use both Front Wides and Front & Rear Height speakers with the addition of a separate AudioSource 2 channel amp for the Rear Height speakers. (Which is great because when it's "active" and a signal is going to the Rear Height (and I assume Front Height) speakers - - it lights up green.) The Denon AVR 5200 has the older "Neo-X" option with Front Wides. I use this with most TV viewing - - cable stations, sports. For streaming and the occasional Bluray movie - - I use DSU or Dolby Atmos with the Rear Heights. I find the the Front Wides do fill in the small gap between my Side Surrounds in a 7.1.4 (Front Wides, Front Height), DTS Neo X configuration or I'll use all the height speakers via 7.1.4 with DSU and Dolby Atmos.

I still have a 100" projection screen and older, short throw, BenQ W1080 ST projector) that has been totally mothballed due to my 75" Sony 900F with Dolby Vision. I just can't watch it anymore (I know - lower quality model but I could only use a short throw projector in my space). The clarity, shadow detail and brightness of my Sony 900F with HDR & Dolby Vision (plus much more Dolby Atmos from Netflix and even Amazon Prime) solidly trumps the loss of a 25" bigger screen. For that "big theater" experience, I've subscribed to AMC Stubs A-List and MoviePass. The best projection I've seen to date was a dual laser, Dolby Vision, presentation of Crazy Rich Asians.
I take your point. Unless you are watching in a totally blacked out room, no PJ will ever beat a good TV. I used to have the BenQ 1070, which I assume was the earlier model than yours (for the same reason - throw distance in my old, very small HT) and if the room is blacked out and the PJ very carefully calibrated, the results can be excellent, especially for the low cost. The main issue was black levels of course but I could live with those for the much bigger screen (this was back when anything above 65 inches cost the earth).

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I also find it amusing that "Front Wides" were not an option with models after 2014 and not readily available with current AVR's. I guess it's just another technology that wasn't readily adapted. I still like them for cable sports and other cable shows. I think you already have a great setup and would not get much bang for the buck with the addition of Front Wide speakers.
Thanks, although Sanjay raises a very good point (as always) with the 'snap-to' feature of Atmos utilizing the Wides in a way that phantom imaging can't compete with (ie discrete content sent to the Wides which is not also sent to the surrounds, and therefore can't phantom at all).
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Agreed, Amazon's labelling is all over the place. It shows "5.1" and no indication that Atmos is available.
Amazon don't care. They are hiding their best content inside duplicate "UHD" titled items which cannot be searched for, only found at the bottom of the pile inside a cupboard if you look very hard.
Couldn't agree more! If I may be allowed an executive summary of Amazon's indexing practices, it is that with respect to providing tools to find UHD HDR video and immersive audio. they suck! I cannot contemplate the problem further, though, for this way lies madness.

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Interesting also about Wides and snap-to.
If you play the Atmos 9.1.6 test tones off the Dolby demo disc, the Wides info is 100% in the Front speakers.
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Especially now that there are mainstream products that can accommodate 9.1.4 natively.
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Couldn't agree more! If I may be allowed an executive summary of Amazon's indexing practices, it is that with respect to providing tools to find UHD HDR video and immersive audio. they suck! I cannot contemplate the problem further, though, for this way lies madness.
The HDR content was on display...
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