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I can't imagine missing out on a conversation about Jack Ryan or the Romanoffs so I can maintain a certain level of HT snobbery.
You worry too much. Nobody cares if your HT isn't top grade. Just enjoy - there's no need to apologize for it.
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Nobody cares if your HT isn't top grade.
Not something can or do know. But quite a character revealing comment.
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There's no way any self respecting "audiophile" will give you a go ahead with that idea because they would immediately be cut down by another forum member who would say, "The vibration from the sub will compromise the speaker's imaging and detail" and if anyone were to claim, "No, I've done it. It works just fine." then that poster would immediately be cut down by "Well, I guess some people don't have a very discerning ear".

Of course the cabinet vibrations from their own speaker's internal large woofer is immune to any such issues such as lose of detail and imaging.
Not to mention the huge bass waves at 20Hz or below, at 115dB. I bet they don't disrupt the delicate main speakers' imaging and detail one bit, huh?
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Weren't laser discs analog?
The video image was analog however the sound became digital only shortly after the release of CD (1982) and LD was also the very first product (c.1992) to introduce the world to Dolby AC-3, now called Dolby Digital 5.1, beating DVD by about 5 years.
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In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".
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Not to mention the huge bass waves at 20Hz or below, at 115dB. I bet they don't disrupt the delicate main speakers' imaging and detail one bit, huh?
Heck if you don't see the top surface of your drink quiver when T-rex arrives in the movie, you don't own a real sub!
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In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".
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Yes...analog. And in keeping with this being a slow Atmos day and Molon_Labe (Chris) calling Keith and I "old coots," I have to confess to having two LaserDisc players and 100+ discs. I guess this makes me an older "coot" than Keith?


Out of curiosity, found the following "first consumer" players on various websites...can't attest to accuracy.

VHS VCR: 1976 JVC HR-3300

LaserDisc: 1984 Pioneer LD-700

CD: 1982 Sony CDP-101

DVD: 1996 Toshiba SD-3000

BluRay: 2006 Sony BDP-S1

4K UHD: 2015 Samsung UBD-K8500
I'm seeing a pattern here. Looks like a new format about every 10 years. I wonder what 2025-ish will bring?
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I'm seeing a pattern here. Looks like a new format about every 10 years. I wonder what 2025-ish will bring?
There will no longer be physical mediums. Everything is streamed, downloaded, etc.. Heck it is becoming increasingly hard to buy a laptop with any variety optical drive whatsoever!
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There will no longer be physical mediums. Everything is streamed, downloaded, etc.. Heck it is becoming increasingly hard to buy a laptop with any variety optical drive whatsoever!
Please don't let Keith hear that! He will have to permanently shut down his Cowshed Theater!
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Please don't let Keith hear that! He will have to permanently shut down his Cowshed Theater!
Luckily properly stored optical mediums outlast human lifetimes. . . of course buying a new playback deck when our lasers wear out in 2025 might be a problem.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".
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I have a question about the audio and especially the LCR for all surroundmovies. My fronts are around 15cm outside my screen and I often feel like the front on the side where the sound coming from should take over earlier from the center.

If I move them closer to the center and at the very end of the screen, will the AVR "feel" this and let the fronts take over earlier or is it just how the soundtrack are made?

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If I move them closer to the center and at the very end of the screen, will the AVR "feel" this and let the fronts take over earlier or is it just how the soundtrack are made?
When the AVR/processor conducts its auto mic test it can sense volume levels, tonal balance, and distance away from the mic but it can't sense where the speakers are. That's up to you. The spacing of the speakers dictates when the sound transitions from one to another as the sound pans across the screen. The best way to achieve this smoothly is to place the speakers closer or farther apart such that the "left center" and "right center" test voice in this video appears where it is supposed to:
Although the test will seem to work well in other modes like Dolby Surround, it is not really meant for that and should be done in STEREO mode only. You see a center speaker in the video but the center sound you experience in stereo is an illusion or a "phantom center".

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The best way to achieve this smoothly is to place the speakers closer or farther apart such that the "left center" and "right center" test voice in this video appears where it is supposed to.
Sounded great to me. Good to know.
Thanks.
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Moving on up to 7.2.6 from 7.1 with an Emo RMC-1, and I had a few questions. Getting all new speakers, as well, going with Emo T2s and C2 upfront, with 4 T1's as surrounds/backs. 6 Emo E1's as my ceiling speakers., with 2 Emo S12's for my subs.

The amp, Emo (sensing a trend?) XPA-11 gen3.

The room is 25x14x11 ft total, with a landing at door (8x10), leading down short flight of stairs to larger square room of 17x14x11 with no windows or other openings.

Questions are:

1 - if you can count, then you can see the amp leaves me 2 speakers out in the cold. I have a 150w 2-channel amp (Emo BasX-150), however. Which 2 speakers should I hook up to the 2-channel?

2 - should i have my e1's firing straight down or angled toward MLP?
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Laserdisc is older than that. The format was introduced as "MCA DiscoVision" in 1978. According to this site, the first consumer player was the Magnavox VH-8000.

The Pioneer LD-700 was the first consumer player with a solid state laser rather than a helium-neon tube laser. It was also the first model with a front-loading tray.
Ah no that was the model in the US! Some of us were in the military had laserdisc players in 1981 1982! We got stuff direct from the factory! They made military models! The early days of Samsung! Luck Gold star! Lg! You would not believe how far the companies came! Tvs would break in two weeks at a high rate! They use the military to test the new models! Some hi fi models never sold in the US! LOL
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Ah no that was the model in the US! Some of us were in the military had laserdisc players in 1981 1982! We got stuff direct from the factory! They made military models! The early days of Samsung! Luck Gold star! Lg! You would not believe how far the companies came! Tvs would break in two weeks at a high rate! They use the military to test the new models! Some hi fi models never sold in the US! LOL

Yep...things were interesting back in the military days! I too was associated with the Koreans...Lucky Goldstar electronics (PC's, VCR's, TV's, etc.) were not as marketable in the U.S. until they became LG and ultimately with the tag line..."Life's Good"

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Please don't let Keith hear that! He will have to permanently shut down his Cowshed Theater!
Physical media will still be available, probably for decades yet. I can;t see streaming reaching the bandwidths needed to compete with UHD in anything like the near future. Heck, there are hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even (low) millions, in the UK whose max broadband speed is less than 5 meg. Same more or less everywhere in the world. It might change one day, but not soon. I hear that some people even still play vinyl records! On turntables! Using a bit of diamond mounted on tiny rubber blocks. How weird is that?
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Ah no that was the model in the US! Some of us were in the military had laserdisc players in 1981 1982! We got stuff direct from the factory! They made military models! The early days of Samsung! Luck Gold star! Lg! You would not believe how far the companies came! Tvs would break in two weeks at a high rate! They use the military to test the new models! Some hi fi models never sold in the US! LOL
When surround sound first became main-stream, it required one to have either a Hi-fi VCR or TV that had stereo outputs. Both, at the time, were expensive compared to the traditional TV/VCR for a lower ranking enlisted guy. A Panasonic or Sony stereo TV or 4 head Hi-fi VHS player were big bucks!

I found a generic, cheap 27" TV at the PX from some crappy Korean company no one had ever heard of called Samsung. It was all I could afford and it did what I needed to do. That TV went through tons of moves, was dropped, which fractured the case, and was still working flawless when I put it at the curb when my daughter outgrew watching DisneyVHS tapes in her room. I couldn't kill that TV no matter the amount of abuse. It also had a great picture that rivaled the coveted Sony models. The Japanese brands were "THE" coveted electronics, while Samsung was the bottom of the basement, red-headed, broke, step-child equipment. Funny how times have changed. Samsung now owns my favorite speaker company Harmon/JBL.
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Or ... if you have a miter saw cut a block of wood angled, maybe 2 of them for top and bottom, screw that to the wall (stud), then mount your surrounds onto that for sturdiness , place felt so no rattle .


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That would be most ideal, unfortunately, not an option for me :-(

For now i ordered 4 cheap monprice wall mounts to see how they work out.
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I HAD to ask! Keith has to be the FIRST person I know of that has never watched anything from network apps. LOL All good, all good!
You can add me to that list too.

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Over the last week had about 20 follow me home they should be happy all snuggled in with the other 2,000......

They seem to mutiply like them screwee wabbits.............
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Rutt rwoe, I think I broke this thread. I can’t see any post after mine yesterday........

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That came up about 52,000 posts ago and has "resurfaced" more than once
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That DeWars beverage must have been more than this Scottish HiLLBiLLy expected

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anyone have good D/L link for confirmed accurate 11 channel level test tones -thxs

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You can DL a torrent file from here:


https://mega.nz/#!LFJ2VKRB!WdZVTINTi...WZhxEyr%20J1Pw


I don't have a burner so I just went into BDMV>stream and copied the last 5 files onto a usb and played it through my oppo. There is a file for each atmos configuration, 5.1.2, 5.1.4 etc


I believe the link was originally provided by user AlterBridge86.
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I don't have a burner so I just went into BDMV>stream and copied the last 5 files onto a usb and played it through my oppo. There is a file for each atmos configuration, 5.1.2, 5.1.4 etc


I believe the link was originally provided by user AlterBridge86.
Thxs - I actually have that full Atmos demo disc-I tried a beta firmware last night on my Dune 4k and the menu navigation worked!
I'm assuming the test signals are accurate in levels-
Been surprised over the yrs how many so called test signal discs were inaccurate-
BTW – whole disc is so cool-I know some have had it for yrs but first time for me –
Atmos turning into amazing upgrade
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Thxs - I actually have that full Atmos demo disc-I tried a beta firmware last night on my Dune 4k and the menu navigation worked!
I'm assuming the test signals are accurate in levels-
Been surprised over the yrs how many so called test signal discs were inaccurate-
BTW – whole disc is so cool-I know some have had it for yrs but first time for me –
Atmos turning into amazing upgrade
The tones are recorded at 85db, not the usual 75, but they are all equal level.
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When measuring spl, turn off dynamic eq. It raises the volume on the rears of you don't have it loud. I now keep dynamic eq off because of this. My personal preference.
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anyone have good D/L link for confirmed accurate 11 channel level test tones -thxs
If you have the Disney WoW calibration disc. I believe that has a 11 channel test tone.

Doesn’t your sound processor have built in test tones?.

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