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***Maybe mentioned before but Extraction on Netflix with Dolby Atmos via DD+ is an exceptional sound mix. Lots of over head pinging, gun fire and grenades going off. Also excellent spatial effects, side to side, front to back. Certainly worth watching if you'd like to hear how well your Atmos system is working.
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I'm really in need of advice for my room. The room is 11' wide and 13" deep. My listening position is 7' ears to projection screen. That puts me just a touch back from the center of the 13' long room. I currently use identical bookshelf speakers in a classic 7.1 layout and will be using 1 to 2 identical pairs for Atmos.. I have 3 under the screen, two to the sides and two on the back wall. The surround speakers are about a foot above ear level angled down at my one and only seat.

I'm wanting to upgrade to an atmos setup soon. I plan on using the exact same bookshelf speakers for either a 2 or 4 atmos height speakers arrangement. I followed dolby guidelines for all speakers but due to my corner subs, can't pace my left and right as far as the dolby specifies. Due to projectors hanging out from the wall and storage cabinets, with doors, to it's sides. My ears to ceiling is 5.5' so I can't do rear heights base on dolby specs. I'm considering either one pair of speakers above my viewing seat/top middle for 2 height only Atmos or one pair top middle and a second pair on the front wall above my screen or on the ceiling a little bit in front of the screen.

What do you guys think would work best in my tiny room? Also, any guide as to their placement would be greatly appreciated.

By the way, I've been eyeing either a Denon 6500, 4500 or 3600. Any idea if these can do 7.1 plus a top middle height and front height with no rear height?

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I'm really in need of advice for my room. The room is 11' wide and 13" deep. My listening position is 7' ears to projection screen. That puts me just a touch back from the center of the 13' long room. I currently use identical bookshelf speakers in a classic 7.1 layout and will be using 1 to 2 identical pairs for Atmos.. I have 3 under the screen, two to the sides and two on the back wall. The surround speakers are about a foot above ear level angled down at my one and only seat.

I'm wanting to upgrade to an atmos setup soon. I plan on using the exact same bookshelf speakers for either a 2 or 4 atmos height speakers arrangement. I followed dolby guidelines for all speakers but due to my corner subs, can't pace my left and right as far as the dolby specifies. Due to projectors hanging out from the wall and storage cabinets, with doors, to it's sides. My ears to ceiling is 5.5' so I can't do rear heights base on dolby specs. I'm considering either one pair of speakers above my viewing seat/top middle for 2 height only Atmos or one pair top middle and a second pair on the front wall above my screen or on the ceiling a little bit in front of the screen.

What do you guys think would work best in my tiny room? Also, any guide as to their placement would be greatly appreciated.

By the way, I've been eyeing either a Denon 6500, 4500 or 3600. Any idea if these can do 7.1 plus a top middle height and front height with no rear height?

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My ears to ceiling is 5.5' so I can't do rear heights base on dolby specs.
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Dolby setup is a guideline that the real world intrudes on. I'd opt for 4 atmos speakers in that setup.
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New into the Atmos world and loving it! Didn't realize my Hans Zimmer Blu-ray had it?

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How close to the back wall can you get them?
My projectors stick out about two feet so I can't mount back heights baffle further back. The distance from the projector front to my ears is 30". That's why I thought a pair on the ceiling above me for top middle or a bit behind would work along with a pair on the top front wall. The front wall would work but would be difficult to mount angled down and toed in above my projection screen. That's why I'm giving some thought to just using a 7.2.2 Atmos setup.

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Unless the projector is as wide as the room, I don't see why it would stop you from mounting height speakers farther back. In any case, try to get one pair of heights as far back as possible. IF that turns out to be 30" behind you, then so be it. Place the other height pair a few feet forward of you. I would avoid limiting the height layer to only one pair of speakers (no back-vs-front panning overhead). As mentioned above, a diagram of the room would be helpful.
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***I don't know what your setup is but with Netflix streaming and Dolby Vision, you can get Dolby Atmos via DD+. While it is compressed audio - - it is still excellent, IMHO. (I'm not sure if my older ears can they tell that much difference between the two.)

There are a lot more Netflix Series with Dolby Atmos soundtracks, as well. I mentioned this in an earlier post - - The Netflix movie Extraction is really an enjoyable Atmos mix. And, many regular Bluray discs (non 4K/HDR) have Dolby Atmos soundtracks, as well.

Here is a great research site (Blu-ray.com) to filter on Dolby Atmos movies (specify Dolby Atmos in Audio) - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php

Welcome to the wonderful world of Dolby Atmos!
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***I don't know what your setup is but with Netflix streaming and Dolby Vision, you can get Dolby Atmos via DD+. While it is compressed audio - - it is still excellent, IMHO. (I'm not sure if my older ears can they tell that much difference between the two.)

There are a lot more Netflix Series with Dolby Atmos soundtracks, as well. I mentioned this in an earlier post - - The Netflix movie Extraction is really an enjoyable Atmos mix. And, many regular Bluray discs (non 4K/HDR) have Dolby Atmos soundtracks, as well.

Here is a great research site (Blu-ray.com) to filter on Dolby Atmos movies (specific Dolby Atmos in Audio) - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php

Welcome to the wonderful world of Dolby Atmos!
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I'm now not getting any atmos in Ottawa Canada. Must be the internet being throttled back or Netflix. Trying to figure which. I'm getting 7.68 Mbps used to get 16.82. According to my tv. When I do internet test on tv it says 45 Mbps so guessing Netflix.
Funny the service has picked up 16 million new subscribers since the outbreak,my service is being throttled back but not what's coming out of my bank account.
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Hi guys,

I’m running a 7.1 set up and was wondering if I could change my amp configuration to 5.1.2 and use the side wall speakers for atmos and the rear wall speakers fro surround. Any thoughts?
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Just figured this out. I reset my tv and missed one setting. Under sound, Digital audio out. It was set to PCM and not auto.all good. Rant taken back on Netflix.
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I’m running a 7.1 set up and was wondering if I could change my amp configuration to 5.1.2 and use the side wall speakers for atmos and the rear wall speakers fro surround. Any thoughts?
No the whole point of ATMOS is to get height sounds separated from ear level. Whats the point if your sides are on the same plain as the rest of the audio.
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I’️m running a 7.1 set up and was wondering if I could change my amp configuration to 5.1.2 and use the side wall speakers for atmos and the rear wall speakers for surround. Any thoughts?
No the whole point of ATMOS is to get height sounds separated from ear level. Whats the point if your sides are on the same plain as the rest of the audio.
I wouldn't assume his surround speakers are on the same plane as the main speakers. A proper 5.1 or 7.1 setup has them about 2/3 up the wall as per Dolby's original specs. If that's the case (or they are even higher), he could move one set down and at least have a functional setup. It wouldn't be ideal by any means, but probably still better than 7.1 with very little work to do.

I ended up using my old bipole side surrounds (mounted just under the steel beam box as high as they could go) as side height for Auro and as extracted top middle for Atmos and just put ear level speakers below them (they face forward/backward so all three rows get even on-axis coverage). Their tweeters are 7 inches lower than the front/rear heights mounted near/on the ceiling, but it's not really noticeable. I couldn't mount them any higher due to the steel beam box anyway and it meant I didn't have to patch the walls. My rear surrounds were already at ear level. I added rear heights on the ceiling and front heights above my mains, but I could have just gone with 7.1.2 by just adding the ear level side surrounds and it still would have been a solid improvement over 7.1, IMO as any separation is still better than none and it's 85% the way there anyway (not all that different than side surrounds just above ear level instead plus ceiling speakers in terms of separation).

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I'm now not getting any atmos in Ottawa Canada. Must be the internet being throttled back or Netflix. Trying to figure which. I'm getting 7.68 Mbps used to get 16.82. According to my tv. When I do internet test on tv it says 45 Mbps so guessing Netflix.
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I'm there as well. Atmos still working for me on Netflix, Amazon, and Disney via XBox. Was on within past hour...
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I'm there as well. Atmos still working for me on Netflix, Amazon, and Disney via XBox. Was on within past hour...
I never thought I can get Atmos in Netflix & Amazon
Here is my set up:
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Yamaha receiver->Amazon Fire Cube latest version
Of course I have 2 ceiling speakers mounted attached to Ht channel in my receiver and i have been enjoying Atmos from my regular Bluray discs like John wick, etc.
Now, how do i get Atmos from Netflix and amazon?
any sample movies/series you can recommend? any special config i need to do?
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just watched my xmen dark phoenix 4k UHD disc. wow, the Dolby Atmos is really good! Sound effects are awesome! 5.1.4.
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I never thought I can get Atmos in Netflix & Amazon
Here is my set up:
Epson 2150 PJ->Yamaya AX-780 receiver->2 sony players hooked
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Yamaha receiver->Amazon Fire Cube latest version
Of course I have 2 ceiling speakers mounted attached to Ht channel in my receiver and i have been enjoying Atmos from my regular Bluray discs like John wick, etc.
Now, how do i get Atmos from Netflix and amazon?
any sample movies/series you can recommend? any special config i need to do?
You will need to upgrade your Netflix plan for Atmos, its like another $ 3-4 a month.
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Here is my set up:
Epson 2150 PJ->Yamaya AX-780 receiver->2 sony players hooked
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Yamaha receiver->Amazon Fire Cube latest version
Of course I have 2 ceiling speakers mounted attached to Ht channel in my receiver and i have been enjoying Atmos from my regular Bluray discs like John wick, etc.
Now, how do i get Atmos from Netflix and amazon?
any sample movies/series you can recommend? any special config i need to do?
Yes you do need the UHD highest package from Netflix. The only FireTV that might support it is the latest 4K FireTV stick, don't think the cube does and know for sure the 2nd gen FireTV Box does't. The latest Sheild does but it stopped working for me just recently and I suspect Netflix may be cutting back on bandwidth. My Win10 PC app is still working for ATMOS. Netflix ATMOS support is still fairly limited to a few devices AppleTV, Xbox to name a few others. All the 4K capable FireTV's support ATMOS from Amazon but you need to play the UHD version and you may need to have a UHD capable display.

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I suspect all this crap we need to go through to get ATMOS to work can all be related to the red tape associated with the Dolby Licencing Fee. The restrictions aren't hardware related. Forcing us to get the UHD version just for the ATMOS tracks and the lack of support for all the streaming devices is most likely all legal crap. As far as I am concerned we payed for the licence when we bought our AVR's with ATMOS decoders. Rant over.

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***Maybe mentioned before but Extraction on Netflix with Dolby Atmos via DD+ is an exceptional sound mix. Lots of over head pinging, gun fire and grenades going off. Also excellent spatial effects, side to side, front to back. Certainly worth watching if you'd like to hear how well your Atmos system is working.
I’ve watched it four times in one week during my time at home, just for this very reason. The sniper shot by the colonel in the bridge scene comes from the right rear overhead, right back surround, right front surround, right front to center.
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Yes you do need the UHD highest package from Netflix. The only FireTV that might support it is the latest 4K FireTV stick, don't think the cube does and know for sure the 2nd gen FireTV Box does't. The latest Sheild does but it stopped working for me just recently and I suspect Netflix may be cutting back on bandwidth. My Win10 PC app is still working for ATMOS. Netflix ATMOS support is still fairly limited to a few devices AppleTV, Xbox to name a few others. All the 4K capable FireTV's support ATMOS from Amazon but you need to play the UHD version and you may need to have a UHD capable display.
Actually I think it's the opposite. I KNOW my 4K FS does not support it natively, have to use Kodi on the FS to get NF Atmos, I was researching the cube and IIRC it does, but you loose some other functionality.
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I suspect all this crap we need to go through to get ATMOS to work can all be related to the red tape associated with the Dolby Licencing Fee. The restrictions aren't hardware related. Forcing us to get the UHD version just for the ATMOS tracks and the lack of support for all the streaming devices is most likely all legal crap. As far as I am concerned we payed for the licence when we bought our AVR's with ATMOS decoders. Rant over.
If that were the case, do you really think the studios would pay the fee only for use on the format its consumers use the least? The number of viewers watching 4k UHD pales in comparison to the much larger base watching content in regular HD. If the fee were really the issue, why would the studios pay it at all? Either they'd want to get the most out of their expense and put Atmos on the format with the broadest usage, or they'd say "Screw Atmos" and not pay for it at all.

The truth is that Atmos is deliberately being restricted to 4k UHD as a marketing tool to drive consumers to upgrade to that format. It's a bullet point they can put on the sales sheet to make UHD look more appealing, nothing more.

Note that DTS:X is being used the same way. This isn't just a Dolby issue.
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***Maybe mentioned before but Extraction on Netflix with Dolby Atmos via DD+ is an exceptional sound mix. Lots of over head pinging, gun fire and grenades going off. Also excellent spatial effects, side to side, front to back. Certainly worth watching if you'd like to hear how well your Atmos system is working.
I tried Extraction from Netflix through a Roku Ultra. I get Dolby Digital+ but not Atmos. In the audio options, it says the "default" audio track is the only track available. Am I missing something here?


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I was told by Filmmixer some time ago that there is no licensing fee to the studios to encode in Atmos. If there's a fee, it's in the playback hardware. If a given device or streaming service requires 4K streams for Atmos, ask them why, as it's not a requirement from Dolby or else you wouldn't see Atmos (or DTS:X) on many regular 2K blurays nor would Atmos work on ATV with both 2K sets and with titles I have that are only 2K playback here (e.g. Due to regular BD Movies Anywhere redemption codes only giving the 2K version; if Atmos is available for that title typically on the 4K version, those titles still play in Atmos here with the 2K version).

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***Maybe mentioned before but Extraction on Netflix with Dolby Atmos via DD+ is an exceptional sound mix. Lots of over head pinging, gun fire and grenades going off. Also excellent spatial effects, side to side, front to back. Certainly worth watching if you'd like to hear how well your Atmos system is working.
I tried Extraction from Netflix through a Roku Ultra. I get Dolby Digital+ but not Atmos. In the audio options, it says the "default" audio track is the only track available. Am I missing something here?


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I haven't tried Netflix on my Roku recently so things may have changed, but I don't think it had Atmos support in Netflix back in January. Only Disney+ gave me Atmos, but then I have a 2K projector. Netflix does work in Atmos for me on my Apple TV 4K on the same projector as does Disney+ and Apple hosted content. Vudu and Prime do not as their apps require the 4K streams even on Apple.

I'd love to sign a petition to get that changed, but I doubt there's enough of us for them to care and I don't feel like paying hundreds for an HDFury when I can get almost all the same titles from Apple with Atmos anyway (quite a few more really; Vudu's Atmos capable selections suck compared to Apple).

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I haven't tried Netflix on my Roku recently so things may have changed, but I don't think it had Atmos support in Netflix back in January. Only Disney+ gave me Atmos, but then I have a 2K projector. Netflix does work in Atmos for me on my Apple TV 4K on the same projector as does Disney+ and Apple hosted content. Vudu and Prime do not as their apps require the 4K streams even on Apple.

I'd love to sign a petition to get that changed, but I doubt there's enough of us for them to care and I don't feel like paying hundreds for an HDFury when I can get almost all the same titles from Apple with Atmos anyway (quite a few more really; Vudu's Atmos capable selections suck compared to Apple).
***I gave up on my Roku Ultra as I couldn't get Dolby Atmos content. The only way I get Atmos now on my Sony TV is via the native app (Netflix) and DD+ via ARC. Down the road, I'll be looking at Samsung but they do not have Dolby Vision. There has been some conflicting information on getting Dolby Atmos from Netflix with a Samsung. As best I understand it - - Dolby Atmos accompanies the Dolby Vision Netflix offering (via ARC & DD+). Now, if you are going through an AVR that is Dolby Vision capable, can it split off the video (DV to HDR) and pass the Dolby Atmos soundtrack intact?

Also - are there any enlightened Samsung users that can help here? I can't imagine having any TV or projector without the ability to obtain a Dolby Atmos soundtrack from Netflix and other sources.

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If that were the case, do you really think the studios would pay the fee only for use on the format its consumers use the least? The number of viewers watching 4k UHD pales in comparison to the much larger base watching content in regular HD. If the fee were really the issue, why would the studios pay it at all? Either they'd want to get the most out of their expense and put Atmos on the format with the broadest usage, or they'd say "Screw Atmos" and not pay for it at all.

The truth is that Atmos is deliberately being restricted to 4k UHD as a marketing tool to drive consumers to upgrade to that format. It's a bullet point they can put on the sales sheet to make UHD look more appealing, nothing more.

Note that DTS:X is being used the same way. This isn't just a Dolby issue.
Regardless of where the bottleneck is my point is it has nothing to do with the hardware. It's all legal with licensing fees, marketing contracts and exclusive deals that the lawyers have made it as complicated as they can to get their piece of the pie.

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Regardless of where the bottleneck is my point is it has nothing to do with the hardware. It's all legal with licensing fees, marketing contracts and exclusive deals that the lawyers have made it as complicated as they can to get their piece of the pie.
You are correct that there is no hardware restriction causing this. It's entirely possible to put an Atmos soundtrack on 1080p video.

However, saying it this way implies that Dolby is at fault for charging too high a fee or playing hardball with the contracts. My understanding is that that Dolby does not charge a licensing fee to put Atmos on a movie. The only fees are for the encoding hardware, and it's a very modest expense that amounts to pocket change for the studios. Dolby would love to have Atmos on everything. The decision to limit Atmos to 4k is made entirely by the studios and/or the streaming services for marketing purposes.

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