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You can use any regular sort of speaker. Dolby say that speakers with wide dispersion are preferred and they should have similar frequency response characteristics to your main speakers (but allow for bass management, so the overhead speakers don't need to go below about 80hz). If the manufacturer of your main speakers makes suitable speakers for use as overheads, consider those. And you will probably want to aim them towards the listening area.

Consider overhead speakers the same way you'd consider any other surround speakers really.
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Will these speaker work

Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800
Onkyo SKH-410

Or any suggestion?
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thats 19...

I noticed only two 4100's too..interesting
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Will these speaker work

Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800
Onkyo SKH-410

Or any suggestion?
The Def Techs look OK. There isn’t much useful info in the manufacturer's spec sheet (as usual) but I'd say they would be OK.

The Onkyos are Atmos-enabled modules, designed to sit on top of main speakers, not for ceiling-mounting.

Have a look at the Tannoy Di5 DC - I can say with certainty that they work very well indeed because they are what I am using here
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Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800
Onkyo SKH-410

Or any suggestion?
These are two totally different options -- the Def Tech's are "normal" speakers that you would mount up high, the Onkyos are "Atmos enabled" speakers that would sit on top or next to you regular speakers and reflect off the ceiling.

I think you need to take a step back and give us ALL the details. Your questions are sort of scattershot and contain little information, which makes people trying to help you keep asking follow up questions to pull extra information out of you.

So let's start from the beginning:

- How big is your room? Don't forget ceiling height.
- What speakers and/or receiver are you currently using?
- How many speakers do you want to run in total (e.g. 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 etc)?
- Are you able to physically mount speakers on the ceiling (sounds like yes)?

And so forth. Tell us about your gear, your setup, your goals and desires The more info you give us, the more people can help you.
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These are two totally different options -- the Def Tech's are "normal" speakers that you would mount up high, the Onkyos are "Atmos enabled" speakers that would sit on top or next to you regular speakers and reflect off the ceiling.

I think you need to take a step back and give us ALL the details. Your questions are sort of scattershot and contain little information, which makes people trying to help you keep asking follow up questions to pull extra information out of you.

So let's start from the beginning:

- How big is your room? Don't forget ceiling height.
- What speakers and/or receiver are you currently using?
- How many speakers do you want to run in total (e.g. 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 etc)?
- Are you able to physically mount speakers on the ceiling (sounds like yes)?

And so forth. Tell us about your gear, your setup, your goals and desires The more info you give us, the more people can help you.
- How big is your room? Don't forget ceiling height. Room sized : 122"W X 145"L X 104"H
- What speakers and/or receiver are you currently using?Pioneer VSX-70 upgrading to Onkyo TX-NR838
- How many speakers do you want to run in total (e.g. 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 etc)7.1.2
- Are you able to physically mount speakers on the ceiling (sounds like yes)Yes

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- How big is your room? Don't forget ceiling height. Room sized : 122"W X 145"L X 104"H
- What speakers and/or receiver are you currently using?Pioneer VSX-70 upgrading to Onkyo TX-NR838
- How many speakers do you want to run in total (e.g. 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 etc)7.1.2
- Are you able to physically mount speakers on the ceiling (sounds like yes)Yes
The 838 is only capable of 5.1.2, so if you want 7.1.2, you'll need to upgrade to the 1030.
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It isn't so much a lack of studio support for those titles you mention as one of timing. All of those had already been released on Bluray before the authoring houses got their Atmos gear installed and working. The true test will be to see how many theatrical Atmos titles make it to Bluray for movies released from now going forward. My guess is 'all of them' as it isn't costly or difficult to transfer a theatrical mix to Bluray, and given the backwards compatibility with 5.1/7/1 there is no reason not to do so.
That was part of my lamentation. Titles that were in Atmos in theaters are being released more than two months after TF4 without Atmos tracks. I would allow for the fact that it will take some time for the production houses to make the TrueHD/Atmos tools part of their workflows (after probably using DTS-HD MA so much that doing so was probably not even a question), but this is an integral part to the adoption of Atmos in the marketplace. Without the content, no amount of headstart makes any difference, if a competitor manages to get their format on discs in greater numbers and with greater significance/fanfare.

Dolby's site shows the rest of the 2014 wide-release slate (post Expendables 3) to be (studio - Blu-ray release date - sound format):
  • Dolphin Tale 2 - Warner Bros. - 12/2/14 - DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
  • The Maze Runner - Fox - 12/16/14 - DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
  • Book of Life - Fox - 1/?/15? - TBA
  • Big Hero 6 - Disney - 3/?/15? - TBA
  • Hunger Games - Mockingjay Pt 1 - Lionsgate - TBA - TBA
  • Penguins of Madagascar - Fox - TBA - TBA
  • Exodus: Gods and Kings - Fox - TBA - TBA
  • Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - Warner Bros. - TBA - TBA
  • Night at the Museum: Secret of the Tomb - Fox - TBA - TBA
  • Unbroken - Universal - TBA - TBA
So, we have 8 movies that are the most likely candidates for an Atmos release on Blu-ray, with Mockingjay as the only one from a studio that has released in Atmos so far. 8 titles is barely making a splash, much less 1, and that one probably won't see release until March.


That means that studios would have to dip into their catalogs for Atmos releases. To my knowledge, the only title announced is Gravity in Feb 2015. If Warner Bros is really going to wait and see how sales do on that title before they make any more decisions, that means that not only are no other catalog titles in the pipeline, but that it might be tight to see the final Hobbit movie get Atmos in its probable Apr 2015 release.


I could see some opportunities for catalog double-dips in conjunction with the theatrical release of movies in the same series/universe. For example, Iron Man 3 and Capt. America: Winter Soldier when Avengers: Age of Ultron is released.


All this points to the fact that Atmos is leaning heavily on DSU for Atmos to be a selling point for new receivers. It sounds like DSU is performing quite well in the reports that people have posted, so that's a good thing. However, it leaves the door open for Auro and DTS to make an entrance without having much existing product to compete against, so it would be a very level playing field should they do so in the next six months or so.
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...and that post above is why I really don't care about Atmos. It's mostly only available on terrible movie releases and you have some people spending thousands so they can watch a horrible transformers movie over and over again.

Wake me up in a few years when there's some actually decent movies that support Atmos.
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Auro is so far behind the curve it seems difficult to see how it will compete. It is vastly outnumbered in theatrical releases and it is a channel-based system. Once mixers have tasted object-based audio I can't see them wanting to rush back to where they were before. Auro also has a problem that it has not yet been ported to TI chips (Denon - the sole mainsteam manufacturer to offer Auro uses SHARC), so this rules out Auro on Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo and possibly Sony (who?? ) Without a foothold in the mainstream markets it is hard to see Auro gaining traction at the front end: being available only on $20k+ gear won't cut it, and fan though I am of D&M, that represents just one slice of the big consumer market.

DTS is indeed a dark horse contender. I think their speaker agnostic formula is a great idea and should give them traction when they have a consumer product. The problems to me seem to be that they have zero theatrical releases to date and they are nowhere near a consumer offering and won’t be for some time to come. They are so far behind the curve that I can only foresee their late entry being difficult or even impossible.
I do not believe that Auro will gain a quick foothold as a result of the Denon/Marantz upgrade path, if D+M is the only company to offer Auro in a product until the next model refresh by manufacturers (probably mid-2015). The upgrade price being mentioned ($250 or $300?) for the D+M upgrade is another barrier to entry that will limit Auro's appeal for those that can do the upgrade. I'm not putting any confidence in their chances for success at this point, but they could play the role of spoiler; muddying the water just enough to keep people from pulling the trigger and instead waiting until at least the December upgrade has happened to see what the landscape looks like at that time.

DTS is definitely a dark horse. That's a great term to describe their position! From a technical standpoint, they seem to have the most sophisticated approach. From a marketing standpoint, they have great brand recognition and a strong history/ties on the production side. Their biggest detriment is that they don't have anything in the public eye except for their CES 2014 presence/demonstration.

As much as I would love to jump in and get either the Denon 5200 or Yamaha 3040, it's the prospect that DTS could announce something that would really shake up the marketplace that's keeping me on the sidelines. Since Atmos has not come out with real strength in respect to Atmos-encoded software titles, a coordinated effort by DTS in the next several months could change everything.

I foresee the possibility of them coming out at CES with a lineup of hardware manufacturers that will be implementing their format in their mid-2015 model refreshes and studios that will be including it in their 2015 releases.

As I'm writing this, I'm realizing that I'm probably going to have to wait until that next model refresh to see how this is all going to shake out. Unfortunately, that means May or June 2015 before announcements are made.

I hope that my comments are not taken as putting down Atmos, its benefits, and those who have taken the plunge with Atmos-equipped setups. I admire their willingness to take that plunge and I am living vicariously through them, and hopefully learning things at the same time. However, I think that examining the situation in this way provides food for thought for those that have yet to take the plunge, so that they go into such a decision fully aware of not only the wonders that await them if they do, but also the potential pitfalls, so they can decide for themselves if they are a factor that warrant some patience for the smoke to clear.

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I'd be surprised if DTS-UHD-capable receivers (or firmware upgrades) are announced before there are movies with their soundtracks available to watch in commercial cinemas. After all, why buy a device to decode something that doesn't exist? None of us have done *anything* like that!

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kbarnes701 - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W. On-ceiling Tannoy Di5 speakers. Configured as FH+TM.

Brian Fineberg - 5.2.4 using Denon X4100W (XPA-5 external amp) Klipsch Quintet 4 ceiling speakers. configured as TF + TR

robert816 - 5.3.4 using Pioneer SC-87 KEF KHT 2005.2 as Atmos Enabled Speakers

SeanUK - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W. On ceiling Gallo Micro's speakers configured as TF + TR

randyk47 - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W and Onkyo M-5010 amp. Using 4 Definitive ProMonitor 800 ceiling speakers configured as TF + TR.

Leadem - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W. On ceiling Sony SS-B1000's. Configured as TF + TR

smurraybhm (Steve) - 7.2.4 using a Denon X5200W - rest of the info can by found in my signature.

petetherock - 5.2.4 using Denon X4100W - (Anthony Gallo A'Divas as TF + TR)

multit - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W + Advance Acoustics MAA705. On ceiling nubert nuVero5 speakers configured as TF + TR

Selden Ball - 7.1.4 using Marantz SR7009, Marantz MM9000, 2x NHT 2.9, 1x NHT AC2, 2x Advent Heritage, 6x DefTech ProMonitor 1000

LStotland - 5.2.4 using Marantz SR7009 Sonance VP62(TM) KEF 60s (FH)

Bargevais - 5.2.2 using Onkyo TX-NR 737 - in my den top front on ceiling speakers

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Spanglo - 6.4.4 using Denon X5200W - 4 wall mounted Klipsch bookshelf speakers TF + RH
Poor Ray @tjenkins95 . Keith @kbarnes701 just added him back and he got dropped again. To those adding to the list, please include:
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...and that post above is why I really don't care about Atmos. It's mostly only available on terrible movie releases and you have some people spending thousands so they can watch a horrible transformers movie over and over again.

Wake me up in a few years when there's some actually decent movies that support Atmos.
The more movies I watch with Dolby Surround upmixed the more convinced I am that if there was never another Atmos movie released I would have absolutely no regrets on what I've spent to upgrade. For the first time ever I now prefer my own home theater to the local theaters. That would never have happened without the ceiling speakers and the upmix by Dolby Surround. This "bonus" feature is turning out to be beyond anything I could have ever imagined.
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The more movies I watch with Dolby Surround upmixed the more convinced I am that if there was never another Atmos movie released I would have absolutely no regrets on what I've spent to upgrade. For the first time ever I now prefer my own home theater to the local theaters. That would never have happened without the ceiling speakers and the upmix by Dolby Surround. This "bonus" feature is turning out to be beyond anything I could have ever imagined.
+10000. So true
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Nothing. Just noting how this thread gets way too serious sometimes.
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Hello everyone. I’m pleased to be able to contribute, after taking the last month to read through this entire thread with great interest (phew!). I just upgraded from 7.1 to 7.1.2 this weekend.

I’ve just started the process of experimentation with the Dolby Surround Upmixer with my legacy blu-ray content— I don’t own any Atmos blurays just yet, only the downloaded Atmos demo disc. Over the last couple of weeks, I had been listening to the Atmos demo disc repeatedly with my old non-Atmos receiver, just to have a baseline reference so that I could compare (unscientifically) to the Atmos-decoded version.

I’m also pleased because after nearly 14,000 posts, I believe I may be the first person in this thread to have (or at least share impressions of) the Atlantic Tech 44-DA Atmos-enabled modules, which I’m using in the 'Front Dolby' position of my setup. I currently have them sitting on the media cabinet about 18” from the FL/FR channels, near ear height. The modules are larger than my FR/FL speakers so I didn’t want to stack them on top of the FR/FL. I reasoned this placement should work since it allows a bit of separation between the ceiling reflection point and my side surrounds in my somewhat narrow (14’ wide) room.

My listening space is not a dedicated theater, as many of the folks here have. It’s a living room with a strong home theater focus, so I’m excited about the purported ‘flexibility’ of the Atmos system working with my less-than-optimal setup. Going into this upgrade, I was concerned about my existing surround speaker placement, since a) both side and back surrounds are mounted higher than ear-level; b) side surrounds are are Axiom QS8s which fire in four directions —tweeters diagonally across the room, and woofers firing towards the ceiling and the floor simultaneously, and c) my rear surround is a single speaker dual-monopole design. I wanted to avoid having to reposition anything if possible, so as of now they’ve been left as-is.

So far, my worries have subsided. The system does indeed sound great—better than before. Here are some initial impressions from this weekend. Movies watched were Skyfall (bluray DTS-HD 5.1 upmixed), Hunger Games Catching Fire (bluray DTS-HD 7.1 upmixed) and Dolby Atmos demo (Atmos encoded).
  • The Atmos-enabled speakers do indeed create a greater sense of height—I don’t regret the purchase. This was clearly evident in the Atmos demo disc material, particularly the ‘Amaze’ and ‘Leaf’ trailers.
  • During the Amaze trailer, there was a moment where the sound of a bird flutters around the room in a 360 degree motion. With my non-Atmos receiver, I could always perceive a minor sense of disjointedness when the sound panned one speaker to the next, probably due to the speakers being of varying heights. With the Atmos processor, the motion was pinpoint and seamless around the room, and the timbre, to my ears, was consistent and believable.
  • Also during the Amaze trailer, when the rainfall starts, both my wife and I looked straight up because we could clearly hear distinct raindrops above us, as if a speaker was directly overhead. Really cool.
  • With Skyfall, I had a harder time picking out discrete overhead effects in the upmixed soundtrack. The Atmos speakers didn’t draw attention to themselves in any way, so it was tough to judge here. I did notice (after putting my ear near the Atmos speakers), that much of the background music during action sequences was steered to the Atmos channels. The sound overall was totally enveloping, but it was subtle and not a huge change from what as already an engrossing standard 5.1 mix.
  • The Hunger Games fared better with upmixing. The scenes in the dome, particularly, were incredible, with a sense of ambience that I wasn’t prepared for. Specifically I could hear subtle ambient sounds in places were no speaker exists, which was really nice. I think there may be something to the theory that blurays that were derived from theatrical Atmos mixes do indeed fare better once they are processed with the DSU upmixer.


That’s it for now, I’ll try to report more impressions once I’ve had some more movies to watch (hopefully some native Atmos releases soon). For those who have less than ideal scenarios, and can’t commit to precise-placement according to ideal specs, I do believe you’re in for a treat, and should expect a nice upgrade to your enjoyment. Some pics, for those interested.

Oh, and for inclusion in the running list of adopters:
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I'm glad someone finally has the AT modules! Thanks for the report, at least we have one data point indicating they are quality speakers (unlike the DTs).

Lovely room too. Probably wouldn't get too much benefit out of rear overheads with the 4 Axioms being mounted so high.
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I’m also pleased because after nearly 14,000 posts, I believe I may be the first person in this thread to have (or at least share impressions of) the Atlantic Tech 44-DA Atmos-enabled modules, which I’m using in the TF position in my setup.
Thanks for the feedback as you are indeed the first to report on the AT 44-DA Atmos enabled speakers. Technically the 44-DA's should be set as "Front Dolby" speakers rather than "Top Front" which would be in-ceiling/ceiling mounted speakers. Did you try both ways and find Top Front to work better for you? Also, did you try them seated on top of the FL/FR speakers just as a test?

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=== 11 outputs (9.1.2 or 7.1.4):

♦ Denon X5200W - 2014 - 9 amps
♦ Denon X7200W - 2015 - 9 amps
♦ Marantz SR7009 - 2014 - 9 amps
* Marantz AV7702 - 2014 - XLR Preamp (SSP)
* Marantz AV8802 - 2015 - XLR Preamp (SSP)
♦ Onkyo TX-NR1030 - 2014 - 9 amps
♦ Onkyo TX-NR3030 - 2014 - 11 amps
* Onkyo PR-SC5530 - 2014 - XLR Preamp (SSP)
Integra DTR-70.6 - 2014 - 11 amps
* Integra DHC-80.6 - 2014 - (XLR Preamp - SSP)
♦ Yamaha RX-A3040 - 2014 - 9 amps
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kbarnes701 - 5.2.4 system using Denon 5200W. On-ceiling Tannoy Di5 speakers. Configured as FH+TM.

Brian Fineberg - 5.1.4 system using denon x4100 (XPA-5 external amp) Klipsch Quintet 4 ceiling speakers. configured as TF + TR

robert816 - 5.3.4 Pioneer SC-87 KEF KHT 2005.2 as Atmos Enabled Speakers
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  • kbarnes701 - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W. On-ceiling Tannoy Di5 speakers. Configured as FH+TM.
  • Brian Fineberg - 5.2.4 using Denon X4100W (XPA-5 external amp) Klipsch Quintet 4 ceiling speakers. configured as TF + TR
  • robert816 - 5.3.4 using Pioneer SC-87 KEF KHT 2005.2 as Atmos Enabled Speakers
  • SeanUK - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W. On ceiling Gallo Micro's speakers configured as TF + TR
  • randyk47 - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W and Onkyo M-5010 amp. Using 4 Definitive ProMonitor 800 ceiling speakers configured as TF + TR.
  • Leadem - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W. On ceiling Sony SS-B1000's. Configured as TF + TR
  • smurraybhm (Steve) - 7.2.4 using a Denon X5200W - rest of the info can by found in my signature.
  • petetherock - 5.2.4 using Denon X4100W - (Anthony Gallo A'Divas as TF + TR)
  • multit - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W + Advance Acoustics MAA705. On ceiling nubert nuVero5 speakers configured as TF + TR
  • Selden Ball - 7.1.4 using Marantz SR7009, Marantz MM9000, 2x NHT 2.9, 1x NHT AC2, 2x Advent Heritage, 6x DefTech ProMonitor 1000
  • LStotland - 5.2.4 using Marantz SR7009 Sonance VP62(TM) KEF 60s (FH)
  • Bargevais - 5.2.2 using Onkyo TX-NR 737 - in my den top front on ceiling speakers
  • Bargevias - 7.2.4 using Onkyo TX-NR 1030 - in the living room top high and top rear in ceiling speakers
  • nucky - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W. In ceiling Dali Kompas speakers. Configured as TF+TR.
  • Billynedwell - 7.1.2 using Pioneer sc-lx58 with Monitor Audio CT165 ceiling speakers configured as TM
  • bsoko2 - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W - JTR speakers mains & surrounds and TannoyD5i ceiling TF & TR
  • RAllenChristenson - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W - All DefTech including DI 6.5LCR's in ceiling speakers configured as TF & TR
  • Jive Turkey - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W, speakers hung from ceiling.
  • batpig - 5.2.2 using Denon X5200W - Energy RC's floor level with KEF 2005.2 satellites as "fake" Atmos modules
  • noah katz - 7.2.4 using Marantz AV7002 - L/C/R's are DIY SEOS-12 (AE TD12M/DNA 360 CD) ; all surrounds are B&C 8CX21 coax, TF and TR at ceiling/wall juncture
  • tjenkins95 - 5.1.4 system using Denon x5200 with Pioneer Dolby Atmos enabled Elite Concentric Speakers: SP-EFS73, SP-EBS73, and SP-EC73
  • Spanglo - 6.4.4 using Denon X5200W - 4 wall mounted Klipsch bookshelf speakers TF + RH
  • tjenkins95 - 5.1.4 system using Denon x5200 with Pioneer Dolby Atmos enabled Elite Concentric Speakers: SP-EFS73, SP-EBS73, and SP-EC73
  • ssweetimpalass - 7.1.4 - Denon X5200W / Emotiva XPA-3/ SVS PC-12 Plus sub / Klipsch RF-7 mains / Klipsch RC-64 Center / Klipsch R-5800-w surrounds / Klipsch CDT-5800-C TF+TR
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The more movies I watch with Dolby Surround upmixed the more convinced I am that if there was never another Atmos movie released I would have absolutely no regrets on what I've spent to upgrade. For the first time ever I now prefer my own home theater to the local theaters. That would never have happened without the ceiling speakers and the upmix by Dolby Surround. This "bonus" feature is turning out to be beyond anything I could have ever imagined.
My favorite part of the whole Atmos thing is the horrible response you'd get from nearly anyone on this or any other AV forum when you'd talk about ceiling mounted surround speakers. Now it's en vogue and people think it's amazing now that Dolby has given them their opinion.

Maybe Atmos becomes a big thing or maybe not. I'll spend my money on other sources of short term happiness until it gets figured out and I can watch something other than a plot hole riddle Michael Bay fantasy with a plot that seems like it was written by a 9 year old after drinking 2 Red Bulls.

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Thanks for the feedback as you are indeed the first to report on the AT 44-DA Atmos enabled speakers. Technically the 44-DA's should be set as "Front Dolby" speakers rather than "Top Front" which would be in-ceiling/ceiling mounted speakers. Did you try both ways and find Top Front to work better for you?

Thanks for pointing this out...I'll have to recheck the configuration when I get home to see if there was indeed a distinction. To my recollection, during initial setup it gave me the option of either Front Height or Front Dolby, and I selected the latter.


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A few post up I read that "only" 20 actual Atmos HT installs have been documented in this 14k post thread, is that close to accurate?
Who are those people?
Is there a master post of actual Atmos HT installs keeping track?

Just for "fun", I took 2 minutes and did a post count in just this thread to see how the thread got to 14,000 posts in 5 months, just a quick scan I picked the below people:
Frequent posters, their post count, and the search URL :
Markus767 (446) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278905
Scott Simonian (371) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278913
jdsmoothie (79) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278929
Dan Hitchman (708) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278945
wse (202) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278953
sdurani (615) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278961
kbarnes701 (1000) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278969
North sky (1000) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/search...rchid=17278977

4,400 + posts from 8 people ....... wow.....

I know nearly everyone above is being value added AVS poster, from many other threads/forums here.....except 1 whom I won't name directly.....

What is known.....well Markus767 has really summarized that in his 1st post, which has been updated since initially made....

What are the un-knowns then that draw people to read/get lost in 1,000's of posts, and how to help them?

I'm off work the next 4 weeks on short term disability due to my RH side hip replacement on Nov-4th, so I'll read/gather the un-knowns that need a simple re-cap/std answer....
Great post, excellent idea .... ...Better for another thread @ another time though. IMHO

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I do not believe that Auro will gain a quick foothold as a result of the Denon/Marantz upgrade path, if D+M is the only company to offer Auro in a product until the next model refresh by manufacturers (probably mid-2015). The upgrade price being mentioned ($250 or $300?) for the D+M upgrade is another barrier to entry that will limit Auro's appeal for those that can do the upgrade. I'm not putting any confidence in their chances for success at this point, but they could play the role of spoiler; muddying the water just enough to keep people from pulling the trigger and instead waiting until at least the December upgrade has happened to see what the landscape looks like at that time.

DTS is definitely a dark horse. That's a great term to describe their position! From a technical standpoint, they seem to have the most sophisticated approach. From a marketing standpoint, they have great brand recognition and a strong history/ties on the production side. Their biggest detriment is that they don't have anything in the public eye except for their CES 2014 presence/demonstration.

As much as I would love to jump in and get either the Denon 5200 or Yamaha 3040, it's the prospect that DTS could announce something that would really shake up the marketplace that's keeping me on the sidelines. Since Atmos has not come out with real strength in respect to Atmos-encoded software titles, a coordinated effort by DTS in the next several months could change everything.

I foresee the possibility of them coming out at CES with a lineup of hardware manufacturers that will be implementing their format in their mid-2015 model refreshes and studios that will be including it in their 2015 releases.

As I'm writing this, I'm realizing that I'm probably going to have to wait until that next model refresh to see how this is all going to shake out. Unfortunately, that means May or June 2015 before announcements are made.

I hope that my comments are not taken as putting down Atmos, its benefits, and those who have taken the plunge with Atmos-equipped setups. I admire their willingness to take that plunge and I am living vicariously through them, and hopefully learning things at the same time. However, I think that examining the situation in this way provides food for thought for those that have yet to take the plunge, so that they go into such a decision fully aware of not only the wonders that await them if they do, but also the potential pitfalls, so they can decide for themselves if they are a factor that warrant some patience for the smoke to clear.
Scott, I can’t disagree with most of what you say. I have been a standard-bearer for Atmos since before its launch, and I am very happy with it so far - mostly of course thanks to DSU. While I have more or less written off Auro, I too believe that DTS could well pull a rabbit out of the hat. In fact, I hope they do - so long as we can continue to use our existing speaker layouts. I believe that object-based audio (OBA) is here to stay and brings huge benefits with it, so if we have two opportunities to get content delivered in OBA, then I will be twice as happy. It may well mean that I will have to invest in a new AVR as I cannot see DTS being ready before the next round of AVR annual updates, which I assume will mean that it won't be offered as an upgrade (if that is even technically possible) to my current Denon 5200. But I knew that was a possibility going in, so I have no regrets. I don't exactly relish the thought of buying another AVR less than 2 years after the last one, but if that is what it takes, then so be it. Penalty of the early adopter!
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Great post Markus; right on!
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