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Grumpy. The point was to see if there was indeed only 20 setups listed in the thread, not to "show off".
Sure that was the only point?
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Remember to focus on how much you are saving, not on how much you are spending
Ah yes......going broke saving money.....I know that well.
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Quite a few people decided to switch to Denon because Onkyo dropped Audyssey. Unfortunately, it's needed in most shared-purpose rooms. Since you have good speakers in a dedicated and (hopefully) well treated room, room EQ is much less of a necessity.
Yes, the Audyssey calibration definitely helped in my last house with a shared space theater. This time around I do have a dedicated space with all of the speakers at an optimum location so it should be less of an issue and I am going pretty extensive on the soundproofing and acoustic treatments. I had one Denon and really liked it. I actually like the look of the Marantz the best. Just a nice simple look with that round window on the front. I just keep going back to the price and 4 sub outputs on the onkyo for my needs.
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Ok. I give up. I can't wait until next year. This thread is killing me, especially since I have everything except for the AVR. Just got my emotiva xpa 5. Plan to put up my tannoy dc8i two weeks from now when on vacation and lower my surrounds.

Where you guys recommend I get the Denon x5200 used. I know amazon has it for about 1600.

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If you're interested in using wireless speakers in other rooms of your home, Denon is including a Free Denon HEOS Link ($349 MSRP) through Dec with the purchase of a "new" Denon X4100W or X5200W.

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I second that. For me, DSU is worth the price of the upgrade for the additional enjoyment it is bringing to my (large) library of legacy content. Not that I don't want more Atmos movies, of course, because I do. But I am more than happy so far. DSU has so far impressed me on every movie I have seen with it. Tonight's movie is Scorsese's Shutter Island and I am expecting big things from that soundtrack when DSU gets hold of it.
Should sound great Keith. I will add that I watched "How to Train Your Dragon II" yesterday and it is another disk to the Dolby Surround demo list.

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Remember to focus on how much you are saving, not on how much you are spending
Sound like my wife look honey I'll save five hundred dollars and I say yes but it's still $1700 LOL

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Ok. I give up. I can't wait until next year. This thread is killing me, especially since I have everything except for the AVR. Just got my emotiva xpa 5. Plan to put up my tannoy dc8i two weeks from now when on vacation and lower my surrounds.

Where you guys recommend I get the Denon x5200 used. I know amazon has it for about 1600.

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Another AVS call JD recommendation - speaking from experience you'll be VERY happy with the price. Who knows it may even be less than ^

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I do not believe that Auro will gain a quick foothold as a result of the Denon/Marantz upgrade path, if D+M is the only company to offer Auro in a product until the next model refresh by manufacturers (probably mid-2015). The upgrade price being mentioned ($250 or $300?) for the D+M upgrade is another barrier to entry that will limit Auro's appeal for those that can do the upgrade. I'm not putting any confidence in their chances for success at this point, but they could play the role of spoiler; muddying the water just enough to keep people from pulling the trigger and instead waiting until at least the December upgrade has happened to see what the landscape looks like at that time.

DTS is definitely a dark horse. That's a great term to describe their position! From a technical standpoint, they seem to have the most sophisticated approach. From a marketing standpoint, they have great brand recognition and a strong history/ties on the production side. Their biggest detriment is that they don't have anything in the public eye except for their CES 2014 presence/demonstration.

As much as I would love to jump in and get either the Denon 5200 or Yamaha 3040, it's the prospect that DTS could announce something that would really shake up the marketplace that's keeping me on the sidelines. Since Atmos has not come out with real strength in respect to Atmos-encoded software titles, a coordinated effort by DTS in the next several months could change everything.

I foresee the possibility of them coming out at CES with a lineup of hardware manufacturers that will be implementing their format in their mid-2015 model refreshes and studios that will be including it in their 2015 releases.

As I'm writing this, I'm realizing that I'm probably going to have to wait until that next model refresh to see how this is all going to shake out. Unfortunately, that means May or June 2015 before announcements are made.

I hope that my comments are not taken as putting down Atmos, its benefits, and those who have taken the plunge with Atmos-equipped setups. I admire their willingness to take that plunge and I am living vicariously through them, and hopefully learning things at the same time. However, I think that examining the situation in this way provides food for thought for those that have yet to take the plunge, so that they go into such a decision fully aware of not only the wonders that await them if they do, but also the potential pitfalls, so they can decide for themselves if they are a factor that warrant some patience for the smoke to clear.
Scott, it's been few times that I'm reading some of your posts here, @ AVS, and they reflect my overall way of thinking quite word for word; and that one above is no exception.

You have a professional (gentle) way to put them one after the other, and they invite full respect plus full acceptance and agreement of course.

Your tomorrow's vision is sharp and intelligent. ...I'm glad people like you share their ideas with the rest of us. And I don't have much to add to what you just said above because you said it all already pretty much. ...You touched almost all the important points @ this time on that Atmos game.

Much more is to come ....
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Should sound great Keith. I will add that I watched "How to Train Your Dragon II" yesterday and it is another disk to the Dolby Surround demo list.
I just got that How to Train Your Dragon II going to give it a listen tonight

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I'm running my Yamaha 2040 in 7.2.2 with Atlantic Tech 350s up front and 2200s everywhere else.
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I'm glad someone finally has the AT modules! Thanks for the report, at least we have one data point indicating they are quality speakers (unlike the DTs).

Lovely room too. Probably wouldn't get too much benefit out of rear overheads with the 4 Axioms being mounted so high.
Thanks! Yes, I too question how much I'd gain by further investing rear overheads (or modules) due to the Axioms placement, dispersion, and the smaller size of my room.

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If you selected Front Dolby then you are probably OK. It's just important to be precise with terminology now that we are dealing with 16 potential "overhead" speaker locations! You said you are "using [them] in the TF position" and "Top Front" is a totally different designation (for a physical overhead speaker) than "Front Dolby".
Duly noted. I've edited my OP.
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Nice report! And a lovely non-dedicated room too. The only suggestion I’d make is that lowering those surrounds would add even more to your enjoyment as it would create greater separation between the overheads and the listener-level speakers. IDK how much work it would be as I can see that, like me, you dislike visible wiring, so presumably the current speakers are fed by in-wall wires, which I know from experience is a royal PITA to change.
Thanks! You're precisely correct, going to lower, monopole side surrounds would be the next potential change to squeeze out some more performance potential. That being said, it is a fair bit of work and I have WAF to consider. Fortunately things are sounding great as-is, so I'm in no rush at this point......for now at least.
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Wow, seems like Denon is winning the Atmos war so far with a huge majority of you all purchasing it.
Well, in addition to the fact that Denon/Marantz is the only company still offering Audyssey XT32 and Atmos, remember that Denon had the "first mover advantage" by bringing Atmos capable receiver to the market before any of the other manufacturers. The Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha offerings didn't ship with Atmos (needed a firmware update later to enable) so if you were one of the early adopters the Denon 5200 was the ONLY option for those who wanted to jump in and do a full 11ch Atmos setup.

Plus, Pioneer's offerings are limited to 9 channels max even with an external amp.

So Denon was first to market, with the best room EQ software, and full 11ch capability with support for wide speakers also if you want to do 9.1.2 or switch between 11ch Neo:X and 11ch (7.1.4) Atmos modes. Plus of course D+M is the only brand (at this point) offering Auro3D support.

Not being all fanboy here, just trying to explain the observed phenomenon.

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Thanks! Yes, I too question how much I'd gain by further investing rear overheads (or modules) due to the Axioms placement, dispersion, and the smaller size of my room.
Please report more about those Atlantic Tech modules when you get a chance. Many have been unimpressed by the Def Tech offerings and the even lower budget Onkyos with both having wimpy little 3" full range drivers. The anticipation for those AT's with their bigger woofers and dual concentric 2-way design is high. Considering they are the same price ($500/pr) as the Def Techs it seems like a no-brainer for someone who wants a standalone add-on module.

If you have a chance, try playing them with 2ch stereo content to get a feel for their "raw" sound quality. If your Marantz has the same amp assign config options as the Denon models you can do this without even moving any cables by designating those speakers as "Front B" and editing the mapping assignment.

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^^^^^

Exactly. First out the gate and full featured. Take notice that everybody that owns an x5200 (except for Keith) is running 7.x.4 system.

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Thanks for pointing this out...I'll have to recheck the configuration when I get home to see if there was indeed a distinction. To my recollection, during initial setup it gave me the option of either Front Height or Front Dolby, and I selected the latter.


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kbarnes701 - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W. On-ceiling Tannoy Di5 speakers. Configured as FH+TM.

Brian Fineberg - 5.2.4 using Denon X4100W (XPA-5 external amp) Klipsch Quintet 4 ceiling speakers. configured as TF + TR

robert816 - 5.3.4 using Pioneer SC-87 KEF KHT 2005.2 as Atmos Enabled Speakers

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randyk47 - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W and Onkyo M-5010 amp. Using 4 Definitive ProMonitor 800 ceiling speakers configured as TF + TR.

Leadem - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W. On ceiling Sony SS-B1000's. Configured as TF + TR

smurraybhm (Steve) - 7.2.4 using a Denon X5200W - rest of the info can by found in my signature.

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Bargevias - 7.2.4 using Onkyo TX-NR 1030 - in the living room top high and top rear in ceiling speakers

nucky - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W. In ceiling Dali Kompas speakers. Configured as TF+TR.

Billynedwell - 7.1.2 using Pioneer sc-lx58 with Monitor Audio CT165 ceiling speakers configured as TM

bsoko2 - 7.2.4 using Denon X5200W - JTR speakers mains & surrounds and TannoyD5i ceiling TF & TR

RAllenChristenson - 7.1.4 using Denon X5200W - All DefTech including DI 6.5LCR's in ceiling speakers configured as TF & T

Jive Turkey - 5.2.4 using Denon X5200W, speakers hung from ceiling.

batpig - 5.2.2 using Denon X5200W - Energy RC's floor level with KEF 2005.2 satellites as "fake" Atmos modules

noah katz - 7.2.4 using Marantz AV7002 - L/C/R's are DIY SEOS-12 (AE TD12M/DNA 360 CD) ; all surrounds are B&C 8CX21 coax, TF and TR at ceiling/wall juncture

tjenkins95 - 5.1.4 system using Denon x5200 with Pioneer Dolby Atmos enabled Elite Concentric Speakers: SP-EFS73, SP-EBS73, and SP-EC73

Spanglo - 6.4.4 using Denon X5200W - 4 wall mounted Klipsch bookshelf speakers TF + RH

ssweetimpalass - 7.1.4 - Denon X5200W / Emotiva XPA-3/ SVS PC-12 Plus sub / Klipsch RF-7 mains / Klipsch RC-64 Center / Klipsch R-5800-w surrounds / Klipsch CDT-5800-C TF+TR

RRF743- 7.2.4 -Denon x5200w, Outlaw 770(200w x 7) 4 ceilings(Polk RC80i)

rockhound76s - 7.1.2 using Marantz AV7702. Atlantic Tech Atmos-enabled modules for TF

Nalleh - 7.2.4 using Denon AVR-X5200W and Emotiva XPA-5. Dynavoice S5(bookshelf) as on-ceiling FH(42') and TM(85')

That's 25 Atmos Theaters, folks !!

Dual Atmos Receivers - Atmos 13.1.8/DTS X 9.1.8/Auro 3D 13.1 - Denon AVCX8500H+AVRX7200WA - Klipsch+KEF - 4xSI-HT18v2 in 2xDO Sonos - 12x12" JBL GT-X1200 NF - 3x2 stacked Crowson MA - 4xBK-LFE - 6xNU6K(fan&trig mod) - Minidsp 10x10HD - Oppo UDP203 - XBox OneX - Apple TV4K - JVC RS600 Dreamscreen V2 120"- Philips 65OLED873 - Harmony Ultimate.
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I will add that I watched "How to Train Your Dragon II" yesterday and it is another disk to the Dolby Surround demo list.
What a cool flick it is! ...Picture and sound quality are awesome too. ...And in 3D it truly shines!
I bet it is formidable with DSU; you guys are all ahead of all of us in your chosen luck.

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Awesome. This is stupid question but Where can I find the number?
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... That's 25 Atmos Theaters, folks !!
Yeah, couple dozens, cool. ...But more cool than that are the Atmos newcomers to this thread.
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Which number? ...Number for what?
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Well, in addition to the fact that Denon/Marantz is the only company still offering Audyssey XT32 and Atmos, remember that Denon had the "first mover advantage" by bringing Atmos capable receiver to the market before any of the other manufacturers. The Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha offerings didn't ship with Atmos (needed a firmware update later to enable) so if you were one of the early adopters the Denon 5200 was the ONLY option for those who wanted to jump in and do a full 11ch Atmos setup.

Plus, Pioneer's offerings are limited to 9 channels max even with an external amp.

So Denon was first to market, with the best room EQ software, and full 11ch capability with support for wide speakers also if you want to do 9.1.2 or switch between 11ch Neo:X and 11ch (7.1.4) Atmos modes. Plus of course D+M is the only brand (at this point) offering Auro3D support.

Not being all fanboy here, just trying to explain the observed phenomenon.

Well maybe just a bit of a fanboy....


BTW, although not Onkyo's first Atmos capable AVR's available in the marketplace, I thought that the NR1030 and NR3030 were shipped with Atmos... mid October?
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AVS JD phone number?
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The movie made for little children???
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The movie made for little children???
And the the young at heart.

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It's in his sig:

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Oh, in his sig.

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So Denon was first to market, with the best room EQ software, and full 11ch capability with support for wide speakers also if you want to do 9.1.2 or switch between 11ch Neo:X and 11ch (7.1.4) Atmos modes. Plus of course D+M is the only brand (at this point) offering Auro3D support.

Not being all fanboy here, just trying to explain the observed phenomenon.
Don't you have to add an external amp to power two of those channels, though? I know the Onkyo came in later (and is missing Audyssey - dumb move), but the 3030 can power all 11 channels without needing an external amp.
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