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What material is available with Auro 3D?
Your question would be better answered in the Auro thread at https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...r-version.html

I'm aware of the Auro demo disc (currently available for free from Auro and being reviewed in the Auro thread), a few music discs published by 2L, and maybe a couple of German-language Blu-rays.

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Nice job. Those are some kickass overhead speakers! I like the creative way you used the door to support one of the surround speakers. I guess you ran the wiring inside the door?
Thanks Keith! You lead me to those kick ass speakers!

Yes those wires will be run inside the door. But the others will come from those speaker posts on top. I got too tired to move them. My walls have fire block so it's really pain in butt to run the wires inside the wall.
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It's overkill. I love overkill. Gives you that great feeling that you're in no way missing out on something I think the smaller speakers would have worked just as well in a bass-managed system, but you will definitely get that "OMG - look at those freakin' ceiling speakers" every time someone walks into your HT room!
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Is it possible for people to use Edit and Multi-Quote instead of posting multiple times one after another I wonder? This thread is really long as it is!
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Thanks Keith! You lead me to those kick ass speakers!

Yes those wires will be run inside the door. But the others will come from those speaker posts on top. I got too tired to move them. My walls have fire block so it's really pain in butt to run the wires inside the wall.
Oh tell me about it. I hate visible wires so all my wires are hidden in walls and ceiling and I know too well how much effort it takes to conceal them. You've made a great job of your room!
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Does anybody know what angle the driver for the Onkyo skh410 Atmos speakers are at.
i have tried mounting these 1/2 way up wall which was ok, i then mounted low about eye height when sat which i feel worked ok, i then mounted 3/4 up the wall, the thing is i would like to get the best position for the sweet spot for my seating area without just leaving it to maybe thats it. I feel Onkyo should of made a calculator as projector companys do for throw distance, so you could put height of wall and length from speaker to ear and it would give you an optimal height. or maybe i am just looking in to this to much and should just settle with wherever ?
Any new ideas welcome ?
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This would be nice to know. Not to get too far off topic, but does anyone know how these speakers would reflect off a flat ceiling? It would be great to put these atmos modules into my 3D software and calculate the optimal position so it targets the primary listening position. I'm just not sure of the angles, dispersion and reflected angles off the ceiling.
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I'd been away for a couple of weeks, so I apologize if I ask something that's already been answered.

IIRC, we got a bunch of 4 "true" Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-ray discs in November, but nothing beyond that.

I'm increasingly under the suspicion that with the arrival of 4K Blu-ray discs possibly within the next 12 months the major content providers may deliberately be holding back Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-ray titles and instead make Dolby Atmos a 4K exclusive feature to promote 4K sales.

Not that it matters to me (my decision to install a Marantz SR7009 later this month is at this point mostly due to the excited earwitness reports concerning the Dolby Surround Upmixer's performance), but I find myself increasingly holding back purchasing new Blu-ray titles of which I know they were recorded in Dolby Atmos, anticipating / hoping for Blu-ray re-releases with real encoded Dolby Atmos bitstream that may never come.

Am I too pessimistic?

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Possibly.

I'm of a mindset that the entertainment industry has no quams about double-dipping, in fact I'd say they feel absolutely positive about quintuple-dipping. So releasing titles with Atmos soundtracks this year in standard HD and re-releasing next year in UHD will not put the slightest dent in their scruple meter.

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I'd been away for a couple of weeks, so I apologize if I ask something that's already been answered.

IIRC, we got a bunch of 4 "true" Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-ray discs in November, but nothing beyond that.

I'm increasingly under the suspicion that with the arrival of 4K Blu-ray discs possibly within the next 12 months the major content providers may deliberately be holding back Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-ray titles and instead make Dolby Atmos a 4K exclusive feature to promote 4K sales.

Not that it matters to me (my decision to install a Marantz SR7009 later this month is at this point mostly due to the excited earwitness reports concerning the Dolby Surround Upmixer's performance), but I find myself increasingly holding back purchasing new Blu-ray titles of which I know they were recorded in Dolby Atmos, anticipating / hoping for Blu-ray re-releases with real encoded Dolby Atmos bitstream that may never come.

Am I too pessimistic?
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Well I already have a sony 4k xbr-65x900a 4k tv, so im definitely going to invest investing in 4k blue-rays, so what would be the best route to go,
I was thinking the onkyo tx-1030 5.1.4 before I knew what was going on but
I already have the 4k sony media player too (fmp-x10) so what woukd you guys suggest? Budget is around 1k to 1.5k max, im returning my onkyo 636 atmos ready 5.1.2 back to bestbuy tomarrow

Given this information that was in the post you replied too: So, once you have a 4K Blu-ray player and a 4K UHD TV, the Onkyo/Integra AVRs will allow you to transmit 2160p24 4:4:4 or 2160p60 4:2:0 to the TV. All other current AVRs will only support 1080p60 4:4:4.


If you want the AVR you buy to do the HDMI switching I see only one choice, Onkyo, and with your budget the TX-NR1030 you may just squeak in!


The optional route would be to by-pass the AVR for the HDMI video signal by connection the Blu-ray directly to the projector as long as your Blu-ray has a second HDMI or optical connection to pass the audio to the AVR, this would make other brands available for your consideration.

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Here are the details of my Atmos setup for the spreadsheet:

5.1.4
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Definitive Tech Pro Monitor 800
On wall (ceiling height)
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This would be nice to know. Not to get too far off topic, but does anyone know how these speakers would reflect off a flat ceiling? It would be great to put these atmos modules into my 3D software and calculate the optimal position so it targets the primary listening position. I'm just not sure of the angles, dispersion and reflected angles off the ceiling.
Hi I have been told on the Onkyo 636 thread that an Onkyo engineer stated that it was at an angle of 45 degrees,
time to do some simple Trig to see if that works out.
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your efforts are appreciated!
You're added.

Thanks for the concise, complete description for the spreadsheet.

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Here are the details of my Atmos setup for the spreadsheet:

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On wall (ceiling height)
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It's a good thing I read every post on this thread (except a NuiSance poster) since you didn't direct your post at me.

You're added.

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Wanted to get a copy of the Atmos demo disc and tried to download from here:

http://themobilebay.org/torrent/1145...AVC.TrueHD.7.1

After downloading I tried to open and my antivirus objected and got this message:

Any ideas on how I should proceed?
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/11452...AVC.TrueHD.7.1
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+1/. Life, as John Lennon reminded is, is what happens while you're busy making plans.
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Hi I have been told on the Onkyo 636 thread that an Onkyo engineer stated that it was at an angle of 45 degrees,
time to do some simple Trig to see if that works out.

There is nothing simple about trig!
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Given this information that was in the post you replied too: So, once you have a 4K Blu-ray player and a 4K UHD TV, the Onkyo/Integra AVRs will allow you to transmit 2160p24 4:4:4 or 2160p60 4:2:0 to the TV. All other current AVRs will only support 1080p60 4:4:4.

Just thought I'd mention that the Yamaha RX-A3040 With the 1.6fw supports 4K60p 4:4:4 full color pass-thru.
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Here are the details of my Atmos setup for the spreadsheet:

5.1.4
Marantz SR7009
Definitive Tech Pro Monitor 800
On wall (ceiling height)
TF+TR
Congratulations on your new gear... how do those Definitive Tech Pro Monitor 800 speakers sound to you. I noticed that the threaded key to hang these are towards the bottom on the back can you tell me if the grills can be put on upside down if I were to hang these fro the ceiling upside down as I would like the tweeters away from the ceiling. I know it's a strong question but there is a method to my madness

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9.1.2 or 7.1.4 which is best

I have a 7.1 system now everything is set up per Dolby THX with the exception of my rear speakers which are in-ceiling. I went with in ceiling for the rear simply because my room is 30 feet long and the screen and three x three rows of seating are at the first half of the room. The in-ceiling speakers are angled down and towards the seating and to be honest I hear sounds from the rear as I should not from the ceiling so it works just fine. Also the second row of seating is on a raised deck so rear speakers mounted 30 feet back would have to be mounted high in order to be functional .

Anyway, all I have to do for 7.1.4 is add the 4 ceiling speakers and install the new AVR X7200 when it arrives.

Question is: Is one better than the other or both equally as good to deliver the best Atmos experience? My gut feeling is the addition of the 4 ceiling is better
and I have heard others say removing the rear speakers did not yield the same quality .

One more question while I'm at it: I have four JVC 10" tall (5" driver) bookshelf full range speakers in flat black that would be very easy to install. They are an older box system speaker
but really great for my original HT system before the upgrade. Is there any reason I should not use these for the 4 ceiling mounted Atmos speakers only?>
I have Paradigm Monitor 11 for front, ADP in wall sides and Paradigm in-ceiling for the rear.
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Congratulations on your new gear... how do those Definitive Tech Pro Monitor 800 speakers sound to you. I noticed that the threaded key to hang these are towards the bottom on the back can you tell me if the grills can be put on upside down if I were to hang these fro the ceiling upside down as I would like the tweeters away from the ceiling. I know it's a strong question but there is a method to my madness
The DefTech PM1000 speakers (which is what I have) have the same design. Initially I was quite annoyed that the threaded support hole is at the bottom (making them extremely top-heavy), but I think they sound fine when hung "upside down". As I commented to someone else, "Hang them all and let Audyssey sort them out!"

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Just thought I'd mention that the Yamaha RX-A3040 With the 1.6fw supports 4K60p 4:4:4 full color pass-thru.
The OP was also looking for HDCP 2.2, I can't seem to find out if the Yamaha supports this? I don't see this confirmed on the Yamaha website.

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Wanted to get a copy of the Atmos demo disc and tried to download from here:

http://themobilebay.org/torrent/1145...AVC.TrueHD.7.1

After downloading I tried to open and my antivirus objected and got this message:

Any ideas on how I should proceed?
Go to post #15199 which is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post29565450

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The OP was also looking for HDCP 2.2, I can't seem to find out if the Yamaha supports this? I don't see this confirmed on the Yamaha website.
It doesn't. There were only two HDMI chipsets available when the AVRs were designed. Of the cost-effective companies supporting Atmos, only Onkyo/Integra uses the HDMI chipset which provides (a single port of) HDCP 2.2, but that's only at 10GHz. The other three companies (Denon/Marantz, Pioneer and Yamaha) use the chipset which provides HDMI v2.0 at 18GHz, but not HDCP V2.0.

Next year's models will include the full-speed HDCP v2.2 chipsets. (Denon/Marantz has promised return-to-factory upgrades for their two top-of-the-line models next spring, but those two models haven't even started shipping just yet.)
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Here is my info for the spreadsheet so far. Probably will be this month unless I run into a problem with the installer and contractor.


Speaker Config: 7.1.4

AVR/Pre-pro: Marantz 7702

Atmos Speakers: B&W CCM683 (proposed)

Mounted: In celing

Ceiling Config: TF-Tm?

Other Info: B&W 803D Main, Proceed AMP5 AND Marantz MM8077 (proposed)
Thanks for the heads up. Let me know when your config is finalized and I'll be glad to add you to the spreadsheet.

BTW, TF+TM is not a supported config. TF+TR is fine.

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The DefTech PM1000 speakers (which is what I have) have the same design. Initially I was quite annoyed that the threaded support hole is at the bottom (making them extremely top-heavy), but I think they sound fine when hung "upside down". As I commented to someone else, "Hang them all and let Audyssey sort them out!"
Can the grill swing around and put back on so the logo looks correct

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I spent a good hour last night looking in the thread trying to find where I downloaded it from and finally finding it...Thanks again for you hard work.

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I spent a good hour last night looking in the thread trying to find where I downloaded it from and finally finding it...Thanks again for you hard work.
I reposted it a little while ago for those that might have missed the original post.

Always glad to help.

BTW, you are still the only member who has two systems documented on the Atmos Config spreadsheet. However, I think @tjenkins95 has a second Atmos system but I need to obtain the details of his second system.

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kokishin, thanks for the Atmos demo!

When you say burning to BD works better than to a thumb drive, which I would prefer, what do you mean?

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kokishin, thanks for the Atmos demo!

When you say burning to BD works better than to a thumb drive, which I would prefer, what do you mean?
@robert816 provided that info. Anyway, it's easy enough to try the thumb (usb) drive so give it a whirl.

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