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You have to watch Live Die Repeat blu-ray.......


Actually, the name of the movie is "Edge of Tomorrow".


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Sorry sound on sound is a big online mag. Not sure what the problem is but I'm getting errors here now as well. I think this link explains m/s fairly well

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/...ide-technique/
Yes, this one works.

* By the way, AVSForum is down now. ...So I'm not sure if you are going to get my reply.

Second, the title of the movie: 'Live - Die - Repeat' ... Edge of Tomorrow ..; is a free "zone". ...One or the other is fine. ...From the above post.
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Sorry sound on sound is a big online mag. Not sure what the problem is but I'm getting errors here now as well. I think this link explains m/s fairly well

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/...ide-technique/
Yes, this one works.

* By the way, AVSForum is down now. ...So I'm not sure if you are going to get my reply.

Second, the title of the movie: 'Live - Die - Repeat' ... 'Edge of Tomorrow' ..; is a free "zone". ...One or the other is fine. ...From the above post.
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There's a lot of good equipment out there, cost isn't indicative of quality or good sound, similar to the blanket sensitivity statement.
Very true. People often buy speakers by the dollar and amplifiers by the pound. Both criteria mean very little in terms of performance. Toole evaluated various very expensive speakers in his book, and shows the measured results for each, and also evaluated speakers that cost a few hundred dollars a pair which measured, and sounded, superior. Unfortunately he didn't attach names to the results (or maybe fortunately for some manufacturers).
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I agree with these impressions as well. The only downside is that it sounds like the DSU can expose a lot of unintended ambience in the mix... I noticed it when watching scenes with dialogue only... I heard the reflected sound from within the studio in my setup... when I switched it back to Dolby HD I didn't hear the ambience. I'm going to do some experimenting to see if it's like that in other films... I only noticed it for the first time last week. But I still just leave the DSU on.
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In my current 5.1 setup my surround speakers are in-ceiling speakers while the front pair are floor-standing, and the centre is on the media shelf under the TV.

I can add two high speakers in the front, but i don't have the option for ear-level speakers at the back or side. So is there a way of making atmos work without ear-level rear speakers?
My 4 surrounds were on-wall as high as they would fit and for me the 4 on-ceiling atmos speakers barely added anny effect at all. Now the surrounds are at ear hight and the atmos and DSU effects are much more pronounced. Having atmos ceiling speakers With in-ceiling surrounds will probably not add anything worth the cost in my opinion.
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I built a set 35 years ago, still have them, although to be precise, not Klipsch but rather using plans and components from a company out of Seattle called SpeakerLab.


The design is so close I believe they came out only after the patent had expired!

The sound is probably not for everybody, but I find them clear and quite revealing in nature, definitely worth a listen.


Oh IIRC the sensitivity is around 104 dB/W at 1 meter.
Nice ad copy too. Makes a change from a fatuous headline and an attempt at a 'glamourous' picture.
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Sorry for my late reply, but i am on christmas vacation at the moment

Thank you for that detailed reply, which answered all my questions. Enjoy your vacation!
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Actually, the name of the movie is "Edge of Tomorrow".
That's the one yes Live Die Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow I'll know better next time....
How did you like it... I loved it.......DSU was very very good.

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That's the one yes Live Die Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow I'll know better next time....
How did you like it... I loved it.......DSU was very very good.

It is also referred to as just Live Die Repeat:
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I receive my onkyo tx-nr3030.wow very good and this onkyo is more musical ,i very surprise when i make calibration whit ACCUEQ .this new system calibration is very good ,after around 10 minutes the calibration is finish.
i have 4 in ceilling speakers and i have 7.3 before and now i have 7.3.4 .
i try transformer and the expendable whit dolby atmos ,wow some musical trame in this two bluray is very good ,some sound pass over the head whit the ceilings speakers .
AND when i put classic music wow this new receiver (yx-nr3030)is very musical to,
i ham very surprise.
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May I have the link (if it's a website) of your source?
Sorry, read it a couple weeks ago and don't remember where. Think it was someone reviewing from the CES this year, can't remember though. Remember him stating he thought the DSU was MUCH MUCH better at previous attempts by DD PL2X
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It is also referred to as just Live Die Repeat:
Yes, in the UK it was promoted as that. I guess they figured the crappy original title, which makes it sound like a romcom, was probably the reason the box office sales were less than spectacular in the US. It is a great movie IMO and deserves the better title of Live, Die, Repeat.
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I enjoyed it too - I thought Tome Cruise was particularly good and portrayed the change in his character really well (I won't say any more due to spoiler and OT reasons).

I've watched it a couple of times now (which I don't often do these days), and the extras were quite interesting too.

It must sound even better with DSU.

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I enjoyed it too - I thought Tome Cruise was particularly good and portrayed the changed in his character really well (I won't say any more due to spoiler and OT reasons).

I've watched it a couple of times now (which I don't often do these days), and the extras were quite interesting too.

It must sound even better with DSU.

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I watched a couple times as well this last time I watched the extras which I never do this one was more enjoyable for me then T4 the base kicked butt and the DSU was glorious. I wasn't a big fan of Tom Cruise but his last few movies have turned me to actually really liking movies that he is in. Doug Liman also directed the Bourne Identity that movie I also enjoyed in DSU .
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That's the one yes Live Die Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow I'll know better next time....
How did you like it... I loved it.......DSU was very very good.
This has turned into my fav sci-fi movie of the last 10 years or so (and the extras ARE interesting): I can't wait to watch/listen on DSU when I upgrade (Yamaha) next year as it sounds great in plain old 5.1!

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This has turned into my fav sci-fi movie of the last 10 years or so (and the extras ARE interesting): I can't wait to watch/listen on DSU when I upgrade (Yamaha) next year as it sounds great in plain old 5.1!
Agree with all that this was a great choice to showcase DSU. If you are looking for another TC movie that sounds great using Dolby Surround check out MI - Ghost Protocol. I re-watched that Sunday afternoon, very 3 dimensional.

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I wasn't a big fan of Tom Cruise but his last few movies have turned me to actually really liking movies that he is in.
Me too. I'm not sure why he's not rated higher than he is, but maybe that has been due to the type of films he's been in.

He seems to work really hard when making them, and spends a lot of time with the fans at the premiers.

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Hi guys,
I started reading this thread from beginning and so far on 45th page. A lot more to go :-). I was thinking I'd be able to get the answers I'm looking for but the search continues. So I think its better that I ask here. These questions might have been asked already. My apologies in advance for repetition.

Room Configuration: Room is 12' wide, 27' long and 7.25' high. I'm using acoustically transparent screen so my LCR are behind the screen. I want to install overhead speakers for Atmos. MLP is 13.5' from LCR speakers.

My concern is the height. I have only 87" high ceiling. Then MLP seats are placed on 12" stage. So that leaves us with 77" ceiling. According to Atmos documentatin,
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According to this, I'm at a major disadvantage. From ear height, I have only 38" from celing and ear level. I'm not even including the height of speaker when installed. It might have its one height say 8". So then actual distance from the ceiling to ear is 30". I have plenty of space to go ahead and behind MLP.

Following are the questions
1 - Is having only 30" height for over head speakers too less? Will I end up hearing each speaker instead of getting a 3D imersive sound? Please keep in mind that I have plenty of space to move speakers to front and back.
2 - How far should the speaker be from side walls?
3 - How far should the speakers be from ahead and behind from MLP?

Thx a bunch.
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I would be very interested to see how you have these mounted to the ceiling! Tell us how are they preforming? BD
Well, I finally stopped listening long enough to get a couple of pics for you. Cheap little homemade mounts for under $10. They're cut at an angle to offset the vaulted ceiling. Wood glue and sheet rock screws hold it together and then 2.5" sheet rock screws up into the ceiling joist. Those Mirage are quite heavy for their size so I had to add two more screws closer to the speaker to support the weight better.

It was kind of a pain to get each assembly mounted though and I'm not really looking forward to taking them down and painting them...but it's the right thing to do.

Looks like I need to paint the room anyway due to some patchwork that had to be done to fix the hole we had to cut to get the the wires down through the wall. So, that'll be another someday project.

For now I'm reasonably satisfied.

As far as performance - I have nothing to compare this Atmos implementation to. I can definitely tell a change in the soundscape in the room for the better. I also replaced my center channel with an SVS Prime Center at the same time, so that sounds radically different too. I should have done it in phases so I could tell just how much of a change just adding the overheads were...but I got impatient and wanted to hear it all!

I'm fighting the feeling that I need to drop all my surround speakers down a little more to increase the separation between the overheads. I'll leave them be for now and evaluate as I go forward.
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Looking for opinions. For TF and TR in ceiling is it better to get a 2 way speaker with a beefier tweeter and midrange, no woofer or a 3 way speaker with less beefier tweeter, midrange but with a woofer. My gut tells me the first option as I'll be directing all bass to my subs but interested in your opinion.

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You answered your own question. If you are bass-managing the speaker, then all it needs is good performance down to just below the crossover you will use. So if you are using a 100Hz XO on those speakers, so long as they are good down to about 80hz you will be fine. No point paying for performance you won't ever use.
Really need opinions now...my current in ceiling Audessey is crossing over at 120 hz. They have a 3/4 tweeter, 2.5 mid and a 5 in woofer. I just received new in ceilings to try. The new ones have a 1 in tweeter, and a 5 inch mid/woofer combined. Audessey is crossing them over at 250. I thought the new ones would be better for in ceiling as I don't need the woofer of the original ones as I will be crossing over to subs. I'm just surprised on the new ones Audessey didn't cross them over at 150 or so...in all fairness my old ones are in ceiling and my new ones I am holding to the ceiling while Audessey runs. Which ones would be better for ATMOS given I'm crossing over to subs? I thought the new ones for mid range but as I said Audessey crossing them over at 250 surprises me...same brand, same watts per channel. Opinions please and thank you.
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The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)

Last night i watched GI Joe Retaliation. Was great with DSU. It was done in Atmos in the theater. Here is a link for a list of movies done in atmos. I think all of these will sound excellent upmixed.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/experienc...os/movies.html


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I'm fighting the feeling that I need to drop all my surround speakers down a little more to increase the separation between the overheads. I'll leave them be for now and evaluate as I go forward.
Depending on how high they currently are, you may well find an improvement by lowering them to ear height, or just above ear height if the former blocks the sound to any individual listener. The better the separation between surrounds and overheads, the better the effect.
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Really need opinions now...my current in ceiling Audessey is crossing over at 120 hz. They have a 3/4 tweeter, 2.5 mid and a 5 in woofer. I just received new in ceilings to try. The new ones have a 1 in tweeter, and a 5 inch mid/woofer combined. Audessey is crossing them over at 250. I thought the new ones would be better for in ceiling as I don't need the woofer of the original ones as I will be crossing over to subs. I'm just surprised on the new ones Audessey didn't cross them over at 150 or so...in all fairness my old ones are in ceiling and my new ones I am holding to the ceiling while Audessey runs. Which ones would be better for ATMOS given I'm crossing over to subs? I thought the new ones for mid range but as I said Audessey crossing them over at 250 surprises me...same brand, same watts per channel. Opinions please and thank you.
Personally I wouldn’t be happy with a 250Hz XO. It is higher than my subs will perform well at (dual Submersive F2) and I'd expect to be able to localise the bass pretty easily at 250Hz. I wonder why Audyssey is crossing them so high if they have a 5 inch woofer? My on-ceiling Tannoys have a 4.5 inch woofer and they cross at about 100Hz as advised by Audyssey. I say 'about' because on some runs of XT32 they have reported a XO of 110Hz. HST, I am happy with 110Hz, but would not be happy with 250hz.

When you say you are holding them to the ceiling while Audyssey runs, do you mean that literally? You are actually standing there holding the speaker while Audyssey measures it? If so, then that is probably the reason Audyssey is suggesting a XO so high - your body is causing Audyssey to confuse the speaker's response in the room. I suggest you mount them properly, get yourself well out of the way and run Audyssey again. If you don't want to mount all four at this stage, then just mount one for now and see what Audyssey recommends for that one. If it's 100-150Hz, then you are good to go and can mount the others.
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Personally I wouldn’t be happy with a 250Hz XO. It is higher than my subs will perform well at (dual Submersive F2) and I'd expect to be able to localise the bass pretty easily at 250Hz. I wonder why Audyssey is crossing them so high if they have a 5 inch woofer? My on-ceiling Tannoys have a 4.5 inch woofer and they cross at about 100Hz as advised by Audyssey. I say 'about' because on some runs of XT32 they have reported a XO of 110Hz. HST, I am happy with 110Hz, but would not be happy with 250hz.

When you say you are holding them to the ceiling while Audyssey runs, do you mean that literally? You are actually standing there holding the speaker while Audyssey measures it? If so, then that is probably the reason Audyssey is suggesting a XO so high - your body is causing Audyssey to confuse the speaker's response in the room. I suggest you mount them properly, get yourself well out of the way and run Audyssey again. If you don't want to mount all four at this stage, then just mount one for now and see what Audyssey recommends for that one. If it's 100-150Hz, then you are good to go and can mount the others.
Thanks man and Correct, I am physically standing their holding the speaker to the ceiling. But in all honesty they even sound tinny which surprise me. So in theory if these were mounted and the xover was reasonable, these would be a better choice for ATMOS in ceiling than the current ones that I have with a smaller mid range? Arrggggg, I really didn't want to mount the new ones as they are bigger and if I do mount em the old smaller ones won't fit properly. Perhaps there is a way I can temporarily suspend them from the ceiling and get the hec outta the way. I'm also trialling def tech aw5500s and Audessey is crossing those over at 100. They are ceiling mount, large, not sure it will pass the WAF...
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I'd bet Tron: Legacy and Need for Speed sound phenomenal with DSU. Anyone care to report?
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Thanks man and Correct, I am physically standing their holding the speaker to the ceiling. But in all honesty they even sound tinny which surprise me. So in theory if these were mounted and the xover was reasonable, these would be a better choice for ATMOS in ceiling than the current ones that I have with a smaller mid range? Arrggggg, I really didn't want to mount the new ones as they are bigger and if I do mount em the old smaller ones won't fit properly. Perhaps there is a way I can temporarily suspend them from the ceiling and get the hec outta the way. I'm also trialling def tech aw5500s and Audessey is crossing those over at 100. They are ceiling mount, large, not sure it will pass the WAF...
If they sound worse despite the larger woofer, then send them back. Spending more money should result in a higher quality sound system, not a poorer one. Just because a device "ought to" be better doesn't mean that it is. Too many vendors spend their money on advertising instead of spending it on equipment design.
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Me too. I'm not sure why he's not rated higher than he is, but maybe that has been due to the type of films he's been in.

He seems to work really hard when making them, and spends a lot of time with the fans at the premiers.

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I think his association with scientology that's given him that bad wrap but he does go all out with incredible energy in his films. I just read that ghost protocol is also very good for DSU I'LL have to give that a try.
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If they sound worse despite the larger woofer, then send them back. Spending more money should result in a higher quality sound system, not a poorer one. Just because a device "ought to" be better doesn't mean that it is. Too many vendors spend their money on advertising instead of spending it on equipment design.
I couldn't agree more!! I just re ran Audessey with the new ceiling speakers nicely propped up on the foot rest of a recliner. I'm waaaaay outta the way...still crossing over at 250 and sound tinny at best...I really can't mount them to test properly but right now they are nice and solid and secure and still a crappy crossover. So it will be between my 1 month old in ceiling speakers that are crossing over at 100 or new def tech aw5500 on ceiling that are crossing over at 90. Man the def techs are nice but with only 7.5 ft ceilings they hang quite low and are very noticeable but are built like a tank!! I'll need to convince the boss if I wanna keep em...
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