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Hey guys,


I have the 737 in my basement theater. When I built the theater I had never heard of Atmos and now that it's all said and done I'm really thinking about wireing it up after the fact. I don't think it would be terribly difficult to install and wire 4 in ceiling speakers. I currently am running a 7.1 setup. I'm at work now and can't look at the back of my receiver. Will the 737 model be able to connect to 11.1 speakers or would I have to move down a 5.1.4 type of setup? Looking at the manual online it doesn't look like I could do a 7.1.4 setup. I would prefer to keep my current setup and just add in 4 ceiling speakers. What would I need to accomplish that?


Thanks in advance!

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Hey guys,


I have the 737 in my basement theater. When I built the theater I had never heard of Atmos and now that it's all said and done I'm really thinking about wireing it up after the fact. I don't think it would be terribly difficult to install and wire 4 in ceiling speakers. I currently am running a 7.1 setup. I'm at work now and can't look at the back of my receiver. Will the 737 model be able to connect to 11.1 speakers or would I have to move down a 5.1.4 type of setup? Looking at the manual online it doesn't look like I could do a 7.1.4 setup. I would prefer to keep my current setup and just add in 4 ceiling speakers. What would I need to accomplish that?


Thanks in advance!
The 737 is limited to 7 channels so the max you can do is 5.1.2 or 7.1 as you already have.

You'll need to upgrade to the 1030 (with stereo amp) or the 3030 for 7.1.4. But then you won't have dts:x when it's out...

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Bummer. I was hoping I could do it for around 500 bucks but I guess that's not gonna happen. Thanks for the info. I'll keep my eyes open for a better receiver down the road.

What is dtsx exactly? Would that format run on standard speaker layout like my 7.1 system and my nr737?

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Bummer. I was hoping I could do it for around 500 bucks but I guess that's not gonna happen. Thanks for the info. I'll keep my eyes open for a better receiver down the road.

What is dtsx exactly? Would that format run on standard speaker layout like my 7.1 system and my nr737?
DTS:X is the new object based format from DTS to compete with Dolby Atmos. There are a lot of good discussions about it here on the forum.

With the 2015 receivers it does require height speakers to really benefit.

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Can anybody help me on Atmos setting, pls. I'm using BDP Oppo 103, when I play Transfomer Atmos movie, Oppo 103 show Dolby TrueHD, but my AVR Onkyo 636 (with newest firmware) only show Dolby D. But when I play the atmos demo file downloaded from demo-world.eu then my Onkyo 636 can show Atmos on the display???
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Yeah, nothing yet (where's your's?)...My repair center is in Syracuse, NY. .I was relived there was one local and I didn't have to ship it somewhere ...

Also happy I never decided to sell my Pioneer SC-27 .... So no real downtime, just a bigger PIA running my Sony X10 4K media player due to HDCP 2.2 requirements ...

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Any luck getting yours back?


They replaced the ICS, but it didn't resolve all the issues. They found there was a drop in voltage across the HDMI board. They're waiting for that part to come in.


Hopefully that fixes it.
Yeah, had it back exactly two weeks after I dropped it off. Still have it sitting on the floor wrapped in plastic though, haven't hooked it back up yet!!....

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Is it possible to have two different sources output to the main and sub monitor via HDMI? I want to play my PS4 while my son plays the Xbox One.

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Can anyone confirm whether the "All Channel Stereo" is subject to bass management like crossover etc? Have read different things so wanted to confirm.
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How to downgrade firmare level BACK to Audessy - removing Atmos?

I am about to sell my TX-NR838 because the loss of Audessy and move to ATMOS is not useful to me and I didn't know how much WORSE AccuEQ is.

Has anyone ever done this and if so, how?

It is the only thing that would make me keep this unit.
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I am about to sell my TX-NR838 because the loss of Audessy and move to ATMOS is not useful to me and I didn't know how much WORSE AccuEQ is.

Has anyone ever done this and if so, how?

It is the only thing that would make me keep this unit.

Audyssey was never available on the 838. It is impossible to get it on the 838. The firmware update that you did to add Atmos, had nothing to do with the REQ. It was and always will be AccuEQ.
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Audyssey was never available on the 838. It is impossible to get it on the 838. The firmware update that you did to add Atmos, had nothing to do with the REQ. It was and always will be AccuEQ.
Oh, well crap.

I guess I just assumed it had been present prior to the upgrade.

I'll put it on craigslist for about $675 and see what happens
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Does anybody make it to work the arc of onkyo tx-636 with Samsung uhd TV? I can't make it to work. Which port is the arc on onkyo? I use hdmi 3 and I changed from stb to TV/cd but doesn't work.
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Hey guys I just joined AVSFORUM just to talk about my receiver. I have the Onkyo TX-NR535. Got it for 200 bucks and it is my first receiver. I just have a small one bedroom apartment so I didnt need anything crazy expensive or powerful. Just something to push some speakers off craigslist in a 5.1 setup. Right now I just have one center, two fronts and two surrounds. Now with the issues.

Whats connected to it.
Input:
1. DVR
2. PS4
3. Xbox 360
4. Chromecast

Ouput:
1. 42" Vizio Smart TV


PROBLEMS:

1. When I switch between inputs - It delays the volume to where it takes a few moments (10-30 seconds) to kick on.
2. The volume isnt instant when I turn the knob, it takes a few seconds to catch up to the knob however I turn it, Volume up or down.
3. Now after having it hooked up for 2 weeks. When its on for a little bit it will randomly start squealing a loud static noise out of one of the speakers.

Im hoping I didnt get a bad receiver because it would put a bad taste in my mouth for biting on a cheap sale one this model.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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Hey guys I just joined AVSFORUM just to talk about my receiver. I have the Onkyo TX-NR535. Got it for 200 bucks and it is my first receiver. I just have a small one bedroom apartment so I didnt need anything crazy expensive or powerful. Just something to push some speakers off craigslist in a 5.1 setup. Right now I just have one center, two fronts and two surrounds. Now with the issues.

Whats connected to it.
Input:
1. DVR
2. PS4
3. Xbox 360
4. Chromecast

Ouput:
1. 42" Vizio Smart TV


PROBLEMS:

1. When I switch between inputs - It delays the volume to where it takes a few moments (10-30 seconds) to kick on.
2. The volume isnt instant when I turn the knob, it takes a few seconds to catch up to the knob however I turn it, Volume up or down.
3. Now after having it hooked up for 2 weeks. When its on for a little bit it will randomly start squealing a loud static noise out of one of the speakers.

Im hoping I didnt get a bad receiver because it would put a bad taste in my mouth for biting on a cheap sale one this model.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks

Matt
Do you see the volume delay on all inputs? Does the receiver click on/off during this time period, or is it just delayed? When I first turn on DVR, TV, 636, it's takes a while for the receiver to recognize the input feed.
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My Denon AVR-2809 died, and thanks to some advice from jdsmoothie (thanks JD) I gave up on it and bought a new unit. I was looking at Yamaha, but the Onkyo, a TX-NR737, had more power, more features & a longer warranty, not to mention a lot less expensive, so I took a chance (the closest shop that sells decent AVR equipment is a 2 hour drive) and am not disappointed. It is 100% easier for me to set up & deal with day to day than the Denon. The Denon manual is terrible & the menu's were confusing.

I live in Thailand, and I can't get much info from the local salesman, so this forum is quite valuable for me. After 3 days of playing around, searching & reading this forum, I am getting answers to most of my questions. I am disappointed that there is no Dynamic volume, so the advice to set to +10 is much appreciated.

Here I can't use Pandora or Spotify, but am able to use Tunein and listen to my favorite stations from the US & Bahamas. I had trouble with the Bluetooth at first, but finally got the units to pair this morning. Connected to the NET, no problem, and as my 737 is last years model, I did a firmware update. That went smoothly as well.

About the free Atmos speakers, the salesman said I would get those in the mail. He did the paperwork. Now I read that the promotion ended August 1, I think it was. I bought in on the 3rd, so we'll see what happens. Plus I am in Thailand & nothing here happens as it's supposed to happen.

Also, no mention here about a trade in allowance from Onkyo. I have the old Denon to give to him if he'll take it. If not, it will make a hell of a boat anchor. Is there any reason to hold on to it or should I just trash it?

I do have one question regarding PC connection. I plugged the HDMI cable from the PC in to the PC HDMI input...nothing but a blue screen on the TV. I moved it to the DVR input & I have connection. This begat a second problem I have the monitor on my desktop designated as primary & the TV (Samsung Series 6) as secondary. When I open a music file or a video file (usually VLC) the window opens in the TV & if I'm also watching the TV, I have to change from TV to DVR to see the window & then drag it back to the primary monitor. It's aggravating. What's up with that? or should I says these, problems.

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My Denon AVR-2809 died, and thanks to some advice from jdsmoothie (thanks JD) I gave up on it and bought a new unit. I was looking at Yamaha, but the Onkyo, a TX-NR737, had more power, more features & a longer warranty, not to mention a lot less expensive, so I took a chance (the closest shop that sells decent AVR equipment is a 2 hour drive) and am not disappointed. It is 100% easier for me to set up & deal with day to day than the Denon. The Denon manual is terrible & the menu's were confusing.

I live in Thailand, and I can't get much info from the local salesman, so this forum is quite valuable for me. After 3 days of playing around, searching & reading this forum, I am getting answers to most of my questions. I am disappointed that there is no Dynamic volume, so the advice to set to +10 is much appreciated.

Here I can't use Pandora or Spotify, but am able to use Tunein and listen to my favorite stations from the US & Bahamas. I had trouble with the Bluetooth at first, but finally got the units to pair this morning. Connected to the NET, no problem, and as my 737 is last years model, I did a firmware update. That went smoothly as well.

About the free Atmos speakers, the salesman said I would get those in the mail. He did the paperwork. Now I read that the promotion ended August 1, I think it was. I bought in on the 3rd, so we'll see what happens. Plus I am in Thailand & nothing here happens as it's supposed to happen.

Also, no mention here about a trade in allowance from Onkyo. I have the old Denon to give to him if he'll take it. If not, it will make a hell of a boat anchor. Is there any reason to hold on to it or should I just trash it?

I do have one question regarding PC connection. I plugged the HDMI cable from the PC in to the PC HDMI input...nothing but a blue screen on the TV. I moved it to the DVR input & I have connection. This begat a second problem I have the monitor on my desktop designated as primary & the TV (Samsung Series 6) as secondary. When I open a music file or a video file (usually VLC) the window opens in the TV & if I'm also watching the TV, I have to change from TV to DVR to see the window & then drag it back to the primary monitor. It's aggravating. What's up with that? or should I says these, problems.

Thanks for any help or advise.
1. The free Atmos speaker promotion is not available here in the USA.
2. Any trade in policy would likely be dealer specific.
3. There is nothing special about the PC HDMI input, rather simply that HDMI input is given the label PC. Some sources may not work with every HDMI input. To display the source video on both HDMI outputs, ensure the Monitor Out = Main + Sub.
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Thanks for the speedy reply JD.

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Is 838 a good buy right now

I've got a chance to pick up an 838 for $600. Is now a good time to buy this model or should I wait for a newer replacement for the 838?

Also, I don't see where the 838 upconverts to 1080P. Is that a big deal?
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In the settings menu you can select it to output all at 1080P
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I've got a chance to pick up an 838 for $600. Is now a good time to buy this model or should I wait for a newer replacement for the 838?

Also, I don't see where the 838 upconverts to 1080P. Is that a big deal?
As noted above, the resolution can be selected via the "Resolution" setting, however, the TV will upscale the signal as well if the source is not already at the TV's fixed resolution (ie. 1080p or 4k). The new TX-RZ800 which will replace the NR838 should be available in a few weeks.
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As noted above, the resolution can be selected via the "Resolution" setting, however, the TV will upscale the signal as well if the source is not already at the TV's fixed resolution (ie. 1080p or 4k). The new TX-RZ800 which will replace the NR838 should be available in a few weeks.
Thanks Lozin and jdsmoothie. I missed that in the specs.

So I imagine the TX-RZ800 will be at least twice the price. Is the lack of DTS-X in the 838 a big deal? Any other compelling reasons to wait and spend the extra money?
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Thanks Lozin and jdsmoothie. I missed that in the specs.

So I imagine the TX-RZ800 will be at least twice the price. Is the lack of DTS-X in the 838 a big deal? Any other compelling reasons to wait and spend the extra money?
If you plan on purchasing a 4k TV in the near future, you would be better served going with a 2015 model which can do HDMI 2.0a as well as pass full bandwidth 18Gpbs 4k video as opposed to only HDMI 1.4 10.2Gpbs by the 2014 Onkyo models to include the 838, otherwise if not, save money with the 838. Regarding DTS:X, the Dolby Surround upmixer on the 2014 models can be used on the DTS HD audio tracks on DTS:X BDs to simulate audio to the 2 height channels in a 5.1.2 Atmos setup.
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As noted above, the resolution can be selected via the "Resolution" setting, however, the TV will upscale the signal as well if the source is not already at the TV's fixed resolution (ie. 1080p or 4k). The new TX-RZ800 which will replace the NR838 should be available in a few weeks.
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If you plan on purchasing a 4k TV in the near future, you would be better served going with a 2015 model which can do HDMI 2.0a as well as pass full bandwidth 18Gpbs 4k video as opposed to only HDMI 1.4 10.2Gpbs by the 2014 Onkyo models to include the 838, otherwise if not, save money with the 838. Regarding DTS:X, the Dolby Surround upmixer on the 2014 models can be used on the DTS HD audio tracks on DTS:X BDs to simulate audio to the 2 height channels in a 5.1.2 Atmos setup.
Well then, it looks like I might better wait. I just purchased a Panasonic TC-58AX800U 4K TV.

Although the price of the 838 is tempting me. So you think the difference would be noticeable?
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Well then, it looks like I might better wait. I just purchased a Panasonic TC-58AX800U 4K TV.

Although the price of the 838 is tempting me. So you think the difference would be noticeable?

Couldn't say for sure, rather can only quote the specs. Although when debating between two models, when the lower model is purchased, the buyer will more often than not always wonder "would there have been any difference with the higher model" whereas, when the higher model is purchased (although one's belt might have to be tightened to do so), the question never comes up.
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Couldn't say for sure, rather can only quote the specs. Although when debating between two models, when the lower model is purchased, the buyer will more often than not always wonder "would there have been any difference with the higher model" whereas, when the higher model is purchased (although one's belt might have to be tightened to do so), the question never comes up.
Haha. Your understanding of the psychology of the whole thing is so very accurate and applicable to me.

Actually, I'll probably debate my dilemma for so long today that the deal will expire before I decide.
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Well then, it looks like I might better wait. I just purchased a Panasonic TC-58AX800U 4K TV.



Although the price of the 838 is tempting me. So you think the difference would be noticeable?

I think as of right now you'd be fine with the 838 if your thinking about short term. I myself bought the 1030 model back in March knowing full well it wasn't a 15 model but I wanted a great 9ch avr as I do a 5.2.4 setup. Although I don't currently have a 4K set I'm planning on it after I buy a UHD BD Player and not upgrade my AVR for at least late 2016 or even 2017, as JD says DSU will do a great job up mixing DTS X tracks. HDR & full band 4K isn't important to me right now but you'll have to see what you want out of your system and go from there.
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I think as of right now you'd be fine with the 838 if your thinking about short term. .... HDR & full band 4K isn't important to me right now but you'll have to see what you want out of your system and go from there.
Thanks Lozin, I understand your point.

Considering I already have a 4K TV, what I want out of my system is the best possible image quality I can get. I'm leaning toward waiting and spending the extra money for the TX-RZ800.
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Just to torture myself even further, I now see I can get a TX-NR1010 for $850.

I'd be spending more on a 1010 than if I went for the 838, but less than if I waited for the RZ800. So I have a few questions toward comparing the 838 to the 1010.

I've checked Onkyo's site for the 1010 specs, but don't see how to determine the model year or the HDMI cable spec.

Does anyone know if the 1010 is HDMI 2.0a capable and is it a newer model?

Also, does the 'HDMI output for HD Video in a Second Zone' on the 1010 basically mean that I could turn in my second cable box and save the monthly box fee by sending the cable signal from my first box to my second TV just through the Receiver?

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Just to torture myself even further, I now see I can get a TX-NR1010 for $850.

I'd be spending more on a 1010 than if I went for the 838, but less than if I waited for the RZ800. So I have a couple of questions toward comparing the 838 to the 1010.

I've checked Onkyo's site for the 1010 specs, but don't see how to determine the model year or the HDMI cable spec.

Does anyone know if the 1010 is HDMI 2.0a capable and is it a newer model?
I bought a new TX-NR1010 last fall as an upgrade to my TX-SR876, which I passed on to my son for his new man-cave theater. XT32 and SubEq were the main calling cards for the 1010 for me and why I didn't really consider newer Onkyos that were available even last year. The Audyssey upgrades over the 876 were noticeable... overall I'm quite happy with the 1010. However, it is technically a 2012 model (even though Onkyo carried it as a new model for a couple of years) and it is not HDMI 2.0.

I know it's not an apples-apples comparison, but by comparison the AccuEq room correction in my TX-NR535 seems like a joke and yielded very disappointing results. A fairer comparison would be with my similar HT-R2295 and its Audyssey 2EQ. I've had both of those receivers in the same room with the same 5.1 Polk Monitor series speaker system. Without calibration, the 2295 and 535 were essentially indistinguishable (and not at all bad-sounding). The 2EQ in the 2295 made a slight but noticeable improvement after calibration. The AccuEq made a noticeable degradation, even after multiple attempts to calibrate to the room. The 535 is still in use in that room, but AccuEq remains turned off. It's a non-critical location (beach house living room) so I don't consider it a big deal, but if the AccuEq in the newer high end Onkyos behaves the same way, it would be a major disappointment in comparison to the great results I've had with XT32/SubEq in the 1010 in my primary system at home.

Just my 2 cents... I've been a happy Onkyo customer for a while now (TX-NR801, TX-SR806, TX-SR876, TX-NR1010, HT-R2295 & TX-NR535), but if I was shopping again today I would have a hard time considering one of the current higher-end AccuEq models for my main home system.

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