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I'd be willing to bet that as long as people speak with their dollars, it will be back.
I am told by a dealer friend that Onkyo 818's with Audyssey XT32 "flew off the shelves". Its successor, the 828, which had plain old Audyssey MultEQ is "stacked high in the warehouses". Seems people do appreciate XT32 in a unit...
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I agree with you Selden. Mud was claiming that the decision by Onkyo to go with AccuEQ and not to upgrade the CPU to handle Audyssey and Atmos simultaneously was directly related to the cost of past warranty claims. That is nonsense of cosmic proportions.

And don't Onkyo buy in the HDMI boards as a pre-assembled unit anyway? If so, no distraction of engineers. Let's leave it - Mud has achieved his goal of derailing the thread.


Fanboyism strikes again.

I said probably and not positively a reason for dropping Audyssey.

I could never touch your record for derailing.
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Well after 2 Onkyos it looks like I will be going with separates next I believe. I'm going to get an amp next spring and then see what is out there as far as a pre-pro is concerned. Too many changes going on to invest into another avr for me.

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Well after 2 Onkyos it looks like I will be going with separates next I believe. I'm going to get an amp nest spring and then see what is out there as far as a pre-pro is concerned. Too many changes going on to invest into another avr for me.
It'll be much less expensive for you to buy an AVR with preouts and use that with external amps than to buy a processor. I already have amps for all my channels and I am going with the Denon X4100W when it is available. It will do 5.1.4 (7 internal amps + an external 2ch amp for those wanting to use it that way) which is all I need. If I needed more then the X5200W would be my choice. XT32 plus Audyssey Pro ready. Reliable make. Great AVS support.

Onkyo lost me (after 4 units) when they adopted AccuEQ.
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Well after 2 Onkyos it looks like I will be going with separates next I believe. I'm going to get an amp nest spring and then see what is out there as far as a pre-pro is concerned. Too many changes going on to invest into another avr for me.
Power amplifiers are good value for money.

It's the av pre's that are stupidly expensive.. £12,000 for Lexicon MC-12 HD EQ
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Fanboyism strikes again.
Well, at least you admit it, Mud.


Oh - you meant me? Me and Onkyo? LOL. Oh yeah, I am a true fanboy - I just said their entire 2014/15 lineup is cr&p thanks to AccuEQ and also said I am switching to Denon this fall. Do we have the same understanding of what a fanboy is? Seems not.

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I said probably and not positively a reason for dropping Audyssey.
And it is probably and probably positive that it is nonsense too, BYAKT.

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I could never touch your record for derailing.
It's funny, but every time I go to a thread for the first time, like with this one, a day or two later you pop up and start banging on about Onkyo's HDMI boards for some reason. It's really strange.
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It'll be much less expensive for you to buy an AVR with preouts and use that with external amps than to buy a processor. I already have amps for all my channels and I am going with the Denon X4100W when it is available. It will do 5.1.4 (7 internal amps + an external 2ch amp for those wanting to use it that way) which is all I need. If I needed more then the X5200W would be my choice. XT32 plus Audyssey Pro ready. Reliable make. Great AVS support.

Onkyo lost me (after 4 units) when they adopted AccuEQ.

Top of the line AVR and AVC are generally close to the same price within mainstream brands (Denon/Marantz, Onkyo, etc), right? For instance, the AVR-5200 and Marantz AV7702 will probably land around $2K USD. If you already have the amp(s), an AVC seems a logical choice.
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Top of the line AVR and AVC are generally close to the same price within mainstream brands (Denon/Marantz, Onkyo, etc), right? For instance, the AVR-5200 and Marantz AV7702 will probably land around $2K USD. If you already have the amp(s), an AVC seems a logical choice.
Not my experience. Processors usually cost far more than the equivalent AVR.
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Not my experience. Processors usually cost far more than the equivalent AVR.

You own a good example. The PR-SC5509 (or the new PR-SC5530) MSRP $2499. The TX-NR3030 MSRP $2399. Pretty darn close.
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Yes, AccuEQ is dire. Great pity for Onkyo fans. I am having to switch to Denon when I go Atmos this fall. Not that Denon are bad or anything, but it's a new learning curve when you've been an Onkyo guy, as I have, for years. But no way am I trading XT32 for AccuEQ.

Agreed. I'm not switching yet, but when I make another purchase, it will not be Onkyo after purchasing them exclusively for the last two decades. Denon will be at the top of the short list.
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I'd be willing to bet that as long as people speak with their dollars, it will be back.

I hope that it happens, but the majority of mainstream consumers have no idea what sounds good. They just want to rattle off the list of "cool new features" their new receiver has to their neighbors and friends. This generation it will be all about Atmos, so unfortunately, I don't think the sales will take enough of a hit for Onkyo to reconsider dropping Audyssey.
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Which allowed Onkyo to have a mid-$500-ish receiver with Atmos. Denon can't come close to that price.

Exactly, but Onkyo shouldn't have shot themselves in the foot and at least offered the mid-high end receivers with Atmos and XT32. They could have added the necessary processing power and still been competitive with Denon on pricing for those models.
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Exactly, but Onkyo shouldn't have shot themselves in the foot and at least offered the mid-high end receivers with Atmos and XT32. They could have added the necessary processing power and still been competitive with Denon on pricing for those models.
No question Audyssey has a strong following...
But considering AVRs have had little innovation in the last (4) years...
Onkyo will make significant sales by having Dolby Atmos @ a lower, more competitive price point...
Next...
The competition will follow by lowering their entry retail price for an AVR with Dolby Atmos, but as Onkyo has already confirmed something has to give so the Audyssey feature and its higher royalty costs were deleted...

Just my $0.03...
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You own a good example. The PR-SC5509 (or the new PR-SC5530) MSRP $2499. The TX-NR3030 MSRP $2399. Pretty darn close.
Not to mention that there will probably be a 5030 for more than the 5530
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Exactly, but Onkyo shouldn't have shot themselves in the foot and at least offered the mid-high end receivers with Atmos and XT32. They could have added the necessary processing power and still been competitive with Denon on pricing for those models.
If Onkyo would have offered Audyssey (XT32 or even lower) in their mid-high ends that would mean they admit that AccuEQ is just a vanilla flavored EQ in the lower end receivers. Just thinkin' out loud, ...with the heads of the Marketing Department guys.
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You own a good example. The PR-SC5509 (or the new PR-SC5530) MSRP $2499. The TX-NR3030 MSRP $2399. Pretty darn close.
Ah yes but the 3030 wasn't available at the time. The 5509 is about three years old, so you'd have to compare it with the price of a 5509 which was its AVR equivalent at the time
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After being a loyal Onkyo supporter with 6 Receivers and Processors over the years, they have lost me as a customer as well with their decision to go with their AccuEQ. The question will be what to replace it with, Denon or Marantz, Receiver or Processor, since I already have power amps. Patience might be the smart move on this front I think.
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Ah yes but the 3030 wasn't available at the time. The 5509 is about three years old, so you'd have to compare it with the price of a 5509 which was its AVR equivalent at the time
Okay, nevermind on the 5509. The 5530 and the 3030, both current/new, are very close to the same price.

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I hope that it happens, but the majority of mainstream consumers have no idea what sounds good. They just want to rattle off the list of "cool new features" their new receiver has to their neighbors and friends. This generation it will be all about Atmos, so unfortunately, I don't think the sales will take enough of a hit for Onkyo to reconsider dropping Audyssey.
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After being a loyal Onkyo supporter with 6 Receivers and Processors over the years, they have lost me as a customer as well with their decision to go with their AccuEQ. The question will be what to replace it with, Denon or Marantz, Receiver or Processor, since I already have power amps. Patience might be the smart move on this front I think.
It will take folks like all of you/us to make those decisions. I am a direct (not distribution) dealer for Onkyo. It will also take dealers like me who care about the systems we design/execute to not specify Onkyo in our designs, and to let Onkyo know why.


There was an Onkyo roadshow training session last week for dealers in my area. I inquired about whether AccuEQ and MultEQxt32 changes would be discussed. When I learned it was only going to be marketing info, I reached out to my contact high in the company. Even he didn't know much yet, but sent me some info. It is very shallow in technical information. I explained my concern and intentions to him, and I have the wheels rolling with the Denon and Marantz reps.
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Ah yes but the 3030 wasn't available at the time. The 5509 is about three years old, so you'd have to compare it with the price of a 5509 which was its AVR equivalent at the time
The 5509 sold in the UK for 2500 GBP. The 5009 and then 5010 sold alongside it for about 3000 GBP.
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After being a loyal Onkyo supporter with 6 Receivers and Processors over the years, they have lost me as a customer as well with their decision to go with their AccuEQ. The question will be what to replace it with, Denon or Marantz, Receiver or Processor, since I already have power amps. Patience might be the smart move on this front I think.
+1

I hope my 818 lasts for a few more years. I use it as a pre/pro/dac/hdmi switcher. XT32 does a stellar job of taming the sub. Probably 818 will be remembered as one of the "best value for money" Onkyo products.
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After being a loyal Onkyo supporter with 6 Receivers and Processors over the years, they have lost me as a customer as well with their decision to go with their AccuEQ. The question will be what to replace it with, Denon or Marantz, Receiver or Processor, since I already have power amps. Patience might be the smart move on this front I think.
There is also ARC generation 3? Are they going to implement Dolby Atmos in them Anthem receivers?
...NAD? ...Also with Audyssey.

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I hope my 818 lasts for a few more years. I use it as a pre/pro/dac/hdmi switcher. XT32 does a stellar job of taming the sub. Probably 818 will be remembered as one of the "best value for money" Onkyo products.
I agree. ...For the most affordable XT32 receiver. ...The street price; $600.

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The 5509 sold in the UK for 2500 GBP. The 5009 and then 5010 sold alongside it for about 3000 GBP.
I had a 5009 before I bought the 5509 (I wanted Audyssey Pro which wasn't offered on the 5009). I can promise you I paid less for it than the 5509.

The 5010 costs more today than the 5009, but they are three years apart.

But no matter - of the currently available AVRs and AVPs, I still hold that the AVRs represent much better value for money.
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I had a 5009 before I bought the 5509 (I wanted Audyssey Pro which wasn't offered on the 5009). I can promise you I paid less for it than the 5509.

The 5010 costs more today than the 5009, but they are three years apart.

But no matter - of the currently available AVRs and AVPs, I still hold that the AVRs represent much better value for money.
The RRPs on the high end Onkyos are all bogus. 5509, 5010 etc are all available for a fraction of the RRP
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And yes I agree. I like how the new 1030 and 3030 have balanced pre outs for fronts. Wish it was for centre too but no big matter
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The 3010 is my first Onkyo ever - and I rather like it. I had a Denon 3808 die a horrible CPU board death, replaced it (temporarily) with a Pioneer VSX-1120 when it died (good AVR, but too limited for me - it is now my emergency backup AVR). Before the Denon was a myriad of other brands. I do like the Onkyo, but if the new room correction software does as little as it sounds, I will be back to Denon again for my next one.
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The RRPs on the high end Onkyos are all bogus. 5509, 5010 etc are all available for a fraction of the RRP
True enough. Let's leave it and move back OT...
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Glad I found this thread. Since getting an X4000 and Outlaw amp I havent paid a lot of attention. A UHD capable AVR will be in the future, and it looks like Denon is my ONLY choice now.

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I hope my 818 lasts for a few more years. I use it as a pre/pro/dac/hdmi switcher. XT32 does a stellar job of taming the sub. Probably 818 will be remembered as one of the "best value for money" Onkyo products.
I have spoken to three different Onkyo tech support people over the past few months and found it interesting that all three owned the TX-NR929 as their own AVR.
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This really stinks, having fewer options is always a bad thing for enthusiasts.
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Depends upon the enthusiast; I, for one, prefer less to "tinker" with whether it's a TV or piece of audio gear (in this case, an AVR)...I don't use Audyssey on my Onkyo 605 nor do I run it with EQ, instead preferring to dial in all my parameters manually (crossovers, distances, trims) and actually hearing my speakers for what they are (sans room correction/equalization algorithms).


This brings me to something else someone said in here...
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It seems like accuEQ does the same thing my Sony receiver does. Sets gain and distance with basically no EQ. Just the basics. I guess it's better than nothing.

It's more than "better than nothing" -- for many of us, setting parameters manually is part of being a home theater enthusiast (i.e. not "relying" on "auto setup" routines) and some of us actually prefer it this way...that is, setting gain, distance and crossovers by ourselves and leaving EQ out of the equation.
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