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I am sure I have never used Zone 2/3. I have accidentally turned them on and had to figure out how to get them to go away.
For me, this has been one of many legacy features that just gets in the way.


The decision to build an XMC-1 Gen-3 is a great move.


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Haha, I've done exactly that especially with my old Denon receiver I would never know what the heck was going on until I open my rack just to see it was under Zone 2

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As I previously posted, out of the box, i.e. no Dirac, the XMC-1 blew away my Onk 5508 with an Audyssey Pro calibration. This does not surprise me as as room correction only smoothes the response and clarifies the sound "a bit" bringing a cohesiveness to multiple speakers and making them a system. It does NOT bring the level of clarity, immediacy and impact that much better DACs and other circuitry does. IMO.

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I found the opposite to be true with Dirac. It cancels out subtle differences you sometimes get from electronics, and gives you control from there.
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I found the opposite to be true with Dirac. It cancels out subtle differences you sometimes get from electronics, and gives you control from there.
I like subtle differences

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I actually do too, but it's nice to see the forest AND the trees. You can tweak subtle stuff to your heart's content with Dirac. I found that Dirac could easily dial in just about any subtleties that I used to worry about.

For whatever reason, I still preferred one of my amps over the other, even with Dirac. It did, however, make it clear that most of those subtle differences were just subtle differences in EQ.
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Lots of new news in the Lounge re the XMC-1 ...

They are working on adding Dirac preset(s) and ..

2. The new DSP engine will have enough H.P. to support Dirac Unison. We don't know all of the details regarding implementation and cost yet, but we'll keep you posted as we know. We'd like to be able to offer it as an option.

3. We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it.

You forgot to mention that the 16ch AVP is also still on... Now that is something worth spending my 40% discount card on!

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I found the opposite to be true with Dirac. It cancels out subtle differences you sometimes get from electronics, and gives you control from there.
I'm not sure we said different things about the same thing, or the same things about different things.

Restating my point, My uncorrected XMC-1 was jaw-droppingly better sounding that my uncorrected (or corrected) Onk 5508. Ninety percent of the increase in the audio quality of my system with the XMC-1 over the 5508 was THE XMC-1. Dirac tweaked and refined it from there.

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You forgot to mention that the 16ch AVP is also still on... Now that is something worth spending my 40% discount card on!
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I'm not sure we said different things about the same thing, or the same things about different things.

Restating my point, you can't use even a fine room correction system like Dirac to make up for lesser quality DACs. My uncorrected XMC-1 was jaw-droppingly better sounding that my uncorrected Onk 5508.
Maybe the latter. My point is that most of the subtle differences with electronics and DACs turn out to be subtle differences in EQ (typically in the 0.5db-1db range.) Take a good auto-EQ system like Dirac, and those differences vanish, plus you can dial in what you want.

I didn't realize this until I started comparing different electronics with and without EQ correction. It's a different story with not so good EQ (like Audyssey), since that has its own problems. But, using good EQ, without the downsides, those differences vanish, and you can focus on other stuff.
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Maybe the latter. My point is that most of the subtle differences with electronics and DACs turn out to be subtle differences in EQ (typically in the 0.5db-1db range.) Take a good auto-EQ system like Dirac, and those differences vanish, plus you can dial in what you want.

I didn't realize this until I started comparing different electronics with and without EQ correction. It's a different story with not so good EQ (like Audyssey), since that has its own problems. But, using good EQ, without the downsides, those differences vanish, and you can focus on other stuff.

Audyssey XT32 is not so bad, in my opinion. The difference with my Dirac Full exists, but is not huge.
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You forgot to mention that the 16ch AVP is also still on... Now that is something worth spending my 40% discount card on!
I really want that piece. But I keep hearing conflicting info about it. People saying it's just a thought at this point makes me nervous.

Could be a couple years away if it isn't in the design phase yet.

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Audyssey XT32 is not so bad, in my opinion. The difference with my Dirac Full exists, but is not huge.
Updates will arrive on 2017, so new pre/pro can be ready to delivery in .... oh wait, we are talking about Emotiva`s timing .
I agree, the difference between XT32 and Dirac is definitely there, but a bit subtle. The biggest benefit of Dirac is tuning the target curve. It will be a bigger deal once Emotiva adds Dirac presets.
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I agree, the difference between XT32 and Dirac is definitely there, but a bit subtle. The biggest benefit of Dirac is tuning the target curve. It will be a bigger deal once Emotiva adds Dirac presets.
In addition, Dirac by addressing some time domain issues makes the subtle difference. How big the gap between these two technologies is, depends on the room shape/size, kinda gear, acoustic treatment...

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So was it official that Dirac Unison was actually being deployed in the new Gen 3? I've been reading some much not sure what's rumor or what's being said by the folks over at Emotiva.

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So was it official that Dirac Unison was actually being deployed in the new Gen 3? I've been reading some much not sure what's rumor or what's being said by the folks over at Emotiva.

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Since your a Lounge member just look up Dan's latest postings. Below is directly from his post. #2 would be what you're asking about.

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1. We will definitely work to get more than one Dirac preset for the XMC-1.

2. The new DSP engine will have enough H.P. to support Dirac Unison. We don't know all of the details regarding implementation and cost yet, but we'll keep you posted as we know. We'd like to be able to offer it as an option.

3. We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it.

4. There IS a 16 channel super AVP under development, concurrent with the updated XMC-1. We're not ready to release specific details yet, but you can probably guess the most obvious "must have" features for this baby.
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Oh I don't know how I missed #4. I am hoping it is actually in development and not just a thought. As some that have actually called Emo have been told.

A thought is one thing. In development is another.

I guess I will upgrade the xmc and save my 40% off card for the big boy. I really don't need fully balanced on all channels. But I am after the dacs that will be in it. If the rumours are true on the dacs. Or they could even put Sabres latest and greatest not out yet dacs in it. I happen to love the Sabre dacs. I had them in my Oppo105 and Krell Foundation. In the Foundation they were absolutely pristine.
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Since your a Lounge member just look up Dan's latest postings. Below is directly from his post. #2 would be what you're asking about.

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1. We will definitely work to get more than one Dirac preset for the XMC-1.

2. The new DSP engine will have enough H.P. to support Dirac Unison. We don't know all of the details regarding implementation and cost yet, but we'll keep you posted as we know. We'd like to be able to offer it as an option.

3. We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it.

4. There IS a 16 channel super AVP under development, concurrent with the updated XMC-1. We're not ready to release specific details yet, but you can probably guess the most obvious "must have" features for this baby.
Thanks I did read this I wasn't super site thou.
I assume someone just tossed it out there, but it makes sense adding Unison at this point with the newer pre/pro.

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Thanks I did read this I wasn't super site thou.
I assume someone just tossed it out there, but it makes sense adding Unison at this point with the newer pre/pro.

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From what I quoted from Dan on the Lounge, #2 reads to me that Dirac Live will still be the default Room Correction and that the new DSP engine will more than have the capacity to handle Dirac Unison, but Emotiva will be looking into the possibility of offering it to XMC-1 owners as an "Option". Since they don't know all the details, implementation and cost, it would be way premature to take anything concrete out of his statements about Dirac Unison, except that they are looking into possibly offering it as an option.

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If Emotiva does a 5.2.4 Gen3 I think that will be my next prepro. To be honest I really don't watch many movies but the next prepro needs to be great on music and do ATMOS and DTS:X. I'm
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The plans are for up to 7.2.4. Check out their updated XMC-1 product page.

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If music is your priority over movies as it is with me you'll be very happy with the XMC-1. I really have no interest in Atmos or DTS-X but I'm very interested in Dirac Unison, multiple Dirac presets and 96k with Dirac. When the XMC-1 Gen 3 is available with those three options I'll sell my present XMC-1 and buy the Gen 3.

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It's larger than average... But ultimately that doesn't matter much IMO since Atmos etc is all about the angles. Only difference large spaces like large speakers.
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From what I quoted from Dan on the Lounge, #2 reads to me that Dirac Live will still be the default Room Correction and that the new DSP engine will more than have the capacity to handle Dirac Unison, but Emotiva will be looking into the possibility of offering it to XMC-1 owners as an "Option". Since they don't know all the details, implementation and cost, it would be way premature to take anything concrete out of his statements about Dirac Unison, except that they are looking into possibly offering it as an option.
Looks like we will have plenty of time to consider all of the upgrade options mentioned, and I look forward to doing that as they flesh them out.

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Sure, but smallish rooms can use lots of smallish speakers, with the downside that these might not go down to the desired 80Hz.
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4. There IS a 16 channel super AVP under development, concurrent with the updated XMC-1. We're not ready to release specific details yet, but you can probably guess the most obvious "must have" features for this baby.
Of these, I'd consider 96k to be far less important, but it all sounds great.
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Of those I don't know enough about unison and how it will work out of a auto environment. So to me Unison would be least important as of now.

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You would be wrong, Dirac Unison will be the mother of all things room correction is what I think of it after learning what it does...

Same principle as in a vehicle. All speakers work together to eliminate unwanted reflections. I think it will work best if all speakers are very capable. I imagine a miniature Top speaker will not be able to effectively correct unwanted reflections of a badass front speaker. Not that all speakers need to be identical, but IMO all speakers should be able to play with authority. As usual, there's no excuse for bad speakers!

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Thought I would put this here being that's up on the Emotiva site, they're sending out Emails as well with this info but after two days we can reference this post if we forget or if something happens to change.







When the XMC-1 was created, it was designed to deliver the absolute ultimate in sound quality, and to include all the most important features available at the time – and the critical acclaim we’ve received from reviewers and customers shows that we’ve lived up to that lofty goal. However, a truly great product is one that you can enjoy today - and continue to enjoy for a long time to come. To that end, we decided that the XMC-1 had to be modular and upgradable. Unlike other products, whose upgrade path has always turned out to be a dead end, the XMC-1 has a clear path to the future so that you can enjoy your investment in superb sound for a long, long time.


And, on that note, we’re pleased to announce the first few steps that will take our XMC-1 proudly into the future.

XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 1: HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2



Replacement HDMI board upgrades the XMC-1 from HDMI 1.4a to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2.
  • <li style="text-align: left;">Hardware - replaces original XMC-1 HDMI board <li style="text-align: left;">Will be included standard on all units shipped after the board is available <li style="text-align: left;">Available at no cost to anyone who purchases their XMC-1 from Emotiva at full price ($2,499) before the board is available (and anyone who has already purchased their XMC-1 at $2,499) <li style="text-align: left;">Provides one HDMI 2.0 input and one HDMI 2.0 output - with full HDCP 2.2 support <li style="text-align: left;">Available for $299 to anyone who purchased their XMC-1 at a discount or on the used market <li style="text-align: left;">Installed by Emotiva (at no cost - recommended) or by user
  • In production - available middle summer 2016
XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X





Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
  • <li style="text-align: left;">Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x <li style="text-align: left;">Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs) <li style="text-align: left;">Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X) <li style="text-align: left;">Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499) <li style="text-align: left;">Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2
  • Available Q1 - 2017
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I am not trying to pee on everyone's parade here BUT, I think you have to have hdmi 2.0a in order to take advantage of all the latest.

The Krell Foundation is in this boat right now. It is hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2 and cannot pass 4k at 4.4.4 or can't pass the other at 10bit it also can't pass any hdr material. Hdmi 2.0 is old technology.
I am sure that they would be coming out with a hdmi 2.0a card before they do all this upgrading.

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I am not trying to pee on everyone's parade here BUT, I think you have to have hdmi 2.0a in order to take advantage of all the latest.

The Krell Foundation is in this boat right now. It is hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2 and cannot pass 4k at 4.4.4 or can't pass the other at 10bit it also can't pass any hdr material. Hdmi 2.0 is old technology. I am sure that they would be coming out with a hdmi 2.0a card before they do all this upgrading.
I believe the first XMC-1 HDMI upgrade is 2.0 with just one input and one output. I can't understand why anyone would not wait for an upgrade with more inputs and an additional output as well as 2.0a.

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