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Anyone running a Auro3D setup with top firing speakers instead of ceiling mounted?

I am still experimenting with my setup; my front Left and right speakers are below my screen, I am not wired for in ceiling speakers and I don't want speakers above screen not enough room plus would be an eye distraction.

So I am curious if anyone is using the Atoms top firing speakers like MartinLogan Motion AFX or Elac Debut type speakers and what affect do to they have on the Auro3D sound?

I had this running for some time in the past with Klipsch RP140SA (4x).
Was not to bad but you need to do a setup as it is Front and /or Rear Height, not as Dolby Enabled !
Then it will depend on if your ceiling will be ba good "bouncer" or not.
I use now the RP140SA not as bouncers but as Heights, so near the ceiling, this works better.
But if this is not an option, i would go for Enabled speakers, but setup as Heights.
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I had this running for some time in the past with Klipsch RP140SA (4x).
Was not to bad but you need to do a setup as it is Front and /or Rear Height, not as Dolby Enabled !
Then it will depend on if your ceiling will be ba good "bouncer" or not.
I use now the RP140SA not as bouncers but as Heights, so near the ceiling, this works better.
But if this is not an option, i would go for Enabled speakers, but setup as Heights.
I did not consider that, I have that textured popcorn ceiling so I probably would not get a good bounce placing the front left and right heights in the corners top the left and right of the screen will be the better option for me.

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AFAIK Denon's 7200wa flagship replacement will be available in December per JD. It would be awesome if they allow 13 ch processing capability...

Then we could do a possible Auromatic / Auro 3D 13ch setup in the below pic. That would be the ultimate upmixer available in a home theater (better than Neural-X) environment without paying 10's of thousands of dollars for those 32 + channel processors & amps. IMO

This thread will really become popular late 2017 if the aforementioned comes true.
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On the Auro-3D site I only see 3 Blu-ray, are there more?
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On the Auro-3D site I only see 3 Blu-ray, are there more?
Look towards the bottom of the webpage linked below to see about 40 Auro 3D BD's (mostly music).

http://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/
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Look towards the bottom of the webpage linked below to see about 40 Auro 3D BD's (mostly music).

http://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/
Already order Pixels and Red Tails, so those are the only real movies with Auro-3D, I don't care too much about music?
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Already order Pixels and Red Tails, so those are the only real movies with Auro-3D, I don't care too much about music?
Complete list :

Red Tails:
https://www.amazon.de/Red-Tails-Blu-...dp/B00B93N75W/

Bowling Balls:
https://www.bol.com/nl/p/bowling-bal...0000040520739/

Pixels:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pixels-Blu-...pixels+blu+ray

Texas Chainsaw Massacre UHD:
https://www.amazon.de/Chainsaw-Massa...dp/B01DXIP53C/


Cold War 2:
https://www.hmv.com.hk/goods/1016492.html

Ghostbusters UHD:

https://www.amazon.de/Ghostbusters-4...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

Inferno (Norwegian link, but a lot of european contries gets this, and Australia too)

https://www.platekompaniet.no/blu-ra...a-hd--blu-ray/


Johnny Mnemonic:

http://shop.raketeshop.de/johnny-mne...-blu-rays.html
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Which one is your favorite?

Thanks!
Red Tails and Ghostbusters. Awsome soundtracks

Inferno and Johnny Mnemonic not released yet, but have them pre-ordered.
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Do you or anyone that has these sets know if the 1080p discs have Auro 3D for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ghostbusters, and Inferno? I can't find anything.

Theater Setup: 5.2.5 (10.1 Auro3D) / ~3100 cu.ft. / Vaulted Ceiling
Projector:JVC DLA-X570R Screen:SI Performance Series 16:9 100" Source Player:Oppo BDP-103D/UDP-203 Pre/Pro:Marantz AV8802A Amps:Emotiva XPA-5(Fronts/Surrounds) and BasX A500(Heights) Fronts/Surrounds:Sonus Faber Venere 2.0 Center:Sonus Faber Venere Center Front/Rear Heights:Definitive Technology PM1000 / ProCenter1000(VOG) Subwoofer:Dual SVS SB-2000 Speaker Wire:Monoprice CL2 12-AWG w/Bananas ICs:BlueJeanCables/Mediabridge
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Do you or anyone that has these sets know if the 1080p discs have Auro 3D for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ghostbusters, and Inferno? I can't find anything.
Texas chain massacre: Auro(13.1) on UHD only(and Atmos).
Ghostbusters: Auro on UHD only.
Inferno: Atmos on UHD, Auro on Bluray.
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Texas chain massacre: Auro(13.1) on UHD only(and Atmos).
Ghostbusters: Auro on UHD only.
Inferno: Atmos on UHD, Auro on Bluray.
Thanks for the info!

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Re, Red Tails. Is the USA getting the Auro mix yet? Everything I have found looks like it is EU only??


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You need to order from Amazon.de
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Thanks. I did follow that link prior to asking that question, but when I look at the product details I see the following: Language: German (DTS-HD 7.1), English (DTS-HD 5.1)


I do have a BR player that was opened up for all regions although it is not my Oppo.


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Thanks. I did follow that link prior to asking that question, but when I look at the product details I see the following: Language: German (DTS-HD 7.1), English (DTS-HD 5.1)


I do have a BR player that was opened up for all regions although it is not my Oppo.


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There you go https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post49963545
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Hello everyone here! I am from Italy, I have got a strong Auro3D fever! Have now a 7.1.4 setup. Would like to try to install a VoG speaker. Could someone from Europe tell me the right bridgeable stereo amplifier I could use to drive it? Where could I find descriptions of actual installs? Is it possible that only in the USA there is a firm that produces a simple ( and for what I red, reliable and inexpensive) bridgeable stereo amp ( I mean AudioSource)?
I am losing faith!
Sorry for this rant.
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Texas chain massacre: Auro(13.1) on UHD only(and Atmos).
Ghostbusters: Auro on UHD only.
Inferno: Atmos on UHD, Auro on Bluray.
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Unfortunately the Texas chain massacre: Auro(13.1) on UHD only(and Atmos) is only region "B" meaning it will not play on my Oppo 203 unless I buy a region free chip, which I will not for just 1 movie.

Hopefully they will create a 13.1 Auro UHD disc region free or "A" variant. I am curious is it is actual 4k or just 1080p upgraded?

On 7/11/17 TPTB will remake "The 5th Element" on UHD HDR. That will be awesome, not sure of the soundtrack capabilities yet.

In other news I understand Denon will come out with their new flagship to replace the current AVR-X7200wa in December. I currently have their 6300H and love it except it has a possible defective board on it that causes a "hum" they refer to in the owners thread.

Therefore to my surprise Denon offered me to upgrade to the December release flagship. I am sure I will have to pay the difference but still it is amazing to me they even offer such an upgrade program. Now if the new Denon flagship has 13 ch processing for 13.1 Auro 3D all the better! It is an eventuality as A/V tech evolves. IMO

Just picked up the Arrival & Inferno 4k movies tonight and will sound test Auro 3D Auromatic vs the normal Atmos vs Neural-X upmixer.

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Hello, quick question, I would really much love to try out Auro 3D but since I have a Marantz SR7011 which can only do 10.1, I'm not sure if it's worth losing the rear surrounds and downgrade from 7.1 to 5.1 so I can use Auro with VOG. To my understanding, with DTS:X, I can have 7.1.4 configured in a manner where the height channels are implemented in a "+" pattern of sorts or just a regular box type placement which would also work with atmos. Would you say it's worth it to have 7 speakers on the ground, 4 above and no auro but more flexibility, or 5 speakers on the ground and 5 above with the Auro-3D?

It feels a bit like Auro-3D has sadly boxed themselves in a bit limiting their offering to 10.1 on receivers which are capable of using one more channel (could have 7.4.4 setup without VOG and use both DTS:X and Atmos too). It's the competition for the dominating format I guess...
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Hello, quick question, I would really much love to try out Auro 3D but since I have a Marantz SR7011 which can only do 10.1, I'm not sure if it's worth losing the rear surrounds and downgrade from 7.1 to 5.1 so I can use Auro with VOG. To my understanding, with DTS:X, I can have 7.1.4 configured in a manner where the height channels are implemented in a "+" pattern of sorts or just a regular box type placement which would also work with atmos. Would you say it's worth it to have 7 speakers on the ground, 4 above and no auro but more flexibility, or 5 speakers on the ground and 5 above with the Auro-3D?

It feels a bit like Auro-3D has sadly boxed themselves in a bit limiting their offering to 10.1 on receivers which are capable of using one more channel (could have 7.4.4 setup without VOG and use both DTS:X and Atmos too). It's the competition for the dominating format I guess...
For Auro3D the VOG speaker is not mandatory. Its inventor, Wilfried van Baelen, even recommends to NOT use them in small rooms. Some users though advocate strongly the benefits of their VOG speaker. With the relatively low ceilings in domestic rooms, the proximity to the listener right below can cause distracting speaker localization issues. Using a speaker with concentric drivers seems to be able to alleviate this problem. Hope this helps....

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I'm using 7.4.4 with front and rear high, (no VOG) .
Atmos and DTS-X used them all.
Auro3d use 5.4.4 but is very very good for music listening.
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Unfortunately the Texas chain massacre: Auro(13.1) on UHD only(and Atmos) is only region "B" meaning it will not play on my Oppo 203 unless I buy a region free chip, which I will not for just 1 movie.
UHD is region free!

It is bluray that has regions, and this bluray doesn't have Auro or Atmos anyway.

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Hello, quick question, I would really much love to try out Auro 3D but since I have a Marantz SR7011 which can only do 10.1, I'm not sure if it's worth losing the rear surrounds and downgrade from 7.1 to 5.1 so I can use Auro with VOG. oth DTS:X and Atmos too).
No need to "downgrade" as such, you can have a 7.1.4 setup with rear surrounds, and they will work in Atmos and DTS:X. When you switch to Auro, the rear surrounds go silent, but no need to reconfigure or recalibrate. Rear surrounds are there, connected and everything, they are just not used in Auro, just as VOG are not used in Atmos or DTS.

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UHD is region free!

It is bluray that has regions, and this bluray doesn't have Auro or Atmos anyway.
Regarding Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Excellent! Thanks Nalleh you de man!

But where can I buy it in the USA and is it a full 4k or just upscaled from the original.

IOW the PQ quality how is it compared to its standard variant?


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No need to "downgrade" as such, you can have a 7.1.4 setup with rear surrounds, and they will work in Atmos and DTS:X. When you switch to Auro, the rear surrounds go silent, but no need to reconfigure or recalibrate. Rear surrounds are there, connected and everything, they are just not used in Auro, just as VOG are not used in Atmos or DTS.
That is true, but I always figured that the speaker placement would be different with the surround channel depending which layout is used. For example, with 5.1 you'd be better off having speakers in the corners of a square shaped room (or two quadraphonic layers + center with auro) and when utilizing 7.1 you would get more out of the system if you had the surround speakers more towards your sides. When I think about it that way, it actually makes sense forgoing the back surround(s) altogether because you would need a height center channel to balance them out for the sake of 3D.

I don't think I'm going to complicate it too much though, I'll get the paid upgrade when I have everything put together except for the VOG speaker. Then depending on how Auro-3D performs with music using 9.2, it I'll decide if that top layer is worth pursuing or if the surround backs need upgrading, choosing which floor speaker layout suits my taste the most and try to perfect the speaker placement for it.

It is a shame that the Marantz 7011 dropped 2 pre-outs from the 7010 and has to use one of the subwoofer channels for the top speaker though, no idea how audyssey handles subwoofer management when you throw two at it with a Y splitter. I only have room for 5.2 at the moment but I'm purchasing 6 more speakers simultaneously while moving to a bigger place, where I can decorate everything with the audio setup in mind so I don't have to build an audio setup on top of a already decorated room. I have a strong feeling that the surround speakers will end up in a different spot if I end up utilizing the back surrounds, that's why the Auro-3D feels like a sacrifice or compromise, but not necessarily a "downgrade" though. To my understanding it's the most demanding format when it comes to speaker placement and my current room height is only 2.5 meters so doesn't really feel like there is enought room to create a top layer that blends with others.

Oh damn, I was writing a really long post but due to a misclick lost a good portion of very some interesting ideas about auro-3D speaker implementation (official recommendation is all speakers down to 20hz, does anyone use elevated subwoofers crossed with the height channels using miniDSP products for example? I mean there has to be a reason for basically recommending having subwoofers in your ceiling) so I guess I have to write it up again after I get to do some actual testing. 2 ported 12" subwoofers for LFE channels will hopefully be enough, which would leave me with 2 sealed 10" ones to experiment with. Stereo subwoofers for front channel, or elevated two mono subwoofers extending the frequency for both front and back height channels

TLDR;Won't know until you try so I think the question I meant to ask was more akin to "does anyone miss the rear surrounds when using 10.1 Auro-3D?".
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X6300H with Auro, source setting problem.


Hi, run into a problem with differents sources with the use of Auro.
With Auro (Matic) we can adjust the Auro Height effect, a nice thing to do !
But what not so nice is, is that this setting, or change of setting, will effect all sources, not just in the source the user wants
I like to have less Auro effect when i play Stereo with my music Mediaplayer files.
So i adjust the Auro-Matic settings to my liking on the Mediaplayer source.
But then the 6300 will also change this for my CBL/SAT Auro setting, and i do not want that, i want to have my TV (stereo) setting different then my Music stereo setting, with more Height effects then with my Mediaplayer stereo source.
I want the Auro settings just like its normal doing, with all the other settings you can mix with all the sources.


Very strange that they missed this with the Auro settings, and for me a big BUG.......
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I'm not certain how the 6300H compares to the 7011 Marantz, but you have my curiosity up. Maybe I simply don't have that option, but you mention being able to adjust the height effect. I'm not locating any place in the menus where I can make an adjustment. Where are you doing that?

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Audio>surroud settings.
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I'm not certain how the 6300H compares to the 7011 Marantz, but you have my curiosity up. Maybe I simply don't have that option, but you mention being able to adjust the height effect. I'm not locating any place in the menus where I can make an adjustment. Where are you doing that?

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Think Marantz and Denon use the same menu software, so like Raf77 says, setup > audio > surround setting
Here you can adjust the Height setting for AuroMatic.
Very annoying that every change is made for all sources


Maybe "we all" can file a complain at D&M about this bug.......


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Thanks, I found it. Not sure how I missed this..................

Audio>surround parameter>Auro-Matic 3D preset= (off,low,medium,high) (default is medium)

Also separate setting is Auro-Matic 3D strength. Setting ranges from 1 to 16. (default is 10)

I'll have to experiment with these, and yes I agree it would be nice if this were not an all or nothing setting. Ideal would be as you suggested.


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