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Thanks, I found it. Not sure how I missed this..................

Audio>surround parameter>Auro-Matic 3D preset= (off,low,medium,high) (default is medium)

Also separate setting is Auro-Matic 3D strength. Setting ranges from 1 to 16. (default is 10)

I'll have to experiment with these, and yes I agree it would be nice if this were not an all or nothing setting. Ideal would be as you suggested.


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Please inform D&M about this "bug"..........
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Question: Looking seriously into Auro3D. Actually I have been but more so these days. The Marantz 7702 and 7703s, these I assume will do like a 7.4.2or 11.2 experience? So this is a standard ear level 5.2 (drops the Surround Rear) plus height LCR and side Surrounds and VOG? And if I read this right Flagship Denon will be only pre pro or AVR on the market for 13.2? Really want to stay with a PrePro. Thanks for the info!


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In essence, you're working with two separate surround channels. One ground (ear) level, and the other height. I **think** Atmos will currently do 7.1.4 but I'm unsure about that. Auro is presently 5.1.4. VOG is optional in the setup. In my case, if I were to use the VOG, I have to reassign my second sub to the VOG and then use a Y cable for my subs, but I would not have the ability the nicest flavor of Auydessy has with regard to independently adjusting each sub. (This on Marantz SR7011.)


If you are running a 7.1.4 setup, the rear surrounds will stop working when you select Auro.


Now, as for Auro in and of itself, I personally am very happy with how it treats music. It seems to do well with 5.1, 4.0, and 2.0 music. Unless it just happened to be the discs I have played, it does not seem to do well with 5.0. For that, I have been using DTS Neutral X. With movies, I have trouble noticing any difference with an Atmos encoded disc when using either Atmos or Auro. I'm hoping that some Auro encoded discs will become available sooner than later, as some really tout the attributes of the format. For pretty much everything else, I have been using Auro as the output format. Glad I got it.


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The Marantz 7702 and 7703s, these I assume will do like a 7.4.2or 11.2 experience?
Yes, and it's 7.2.4 (middle number is subwoofer outputs).
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So this is a standard ear level 5.2 (drops the Surround Rear) plus height LCR and side Surrounds and VOG?
Close, it's 5.2 at ear level plus 4 heights: front heights (mounted high on the wall above your front speakers) and surround heights (mounted above the surrounds). One of the 2 subwoofer outputs can be used for the VOG speaker, which brings the ear level outputs from 5.2 to 5.1 (though you can use a y-splitter to connect a single subwoofer output to multiple subs).

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Yes, and it's 7.2.4 (middle number is subwoofer outputs). Close, it's 5.2 at ear level plus 4 heights: front heights (mounted high on the wall above your front speakers) and surround heights (mounted above the surrounds). One of the 2 subwoofer outputs can be used for the VOG speaker, which brings the ear level outputs from 5.2 to 5.1 (though you can use a y-splitter to connect a single subwoofer output to multiple subs).


Thanks. Great info. My sub array is controlled by a MiniDSP 2x8 so all I need is one sub output, so that works well.

This really sounds exciting. The downside is giving up Atmos for 3D, but to be honest from what I read about it and the design and production theory behind it, it's a more enveloping experience. What I'm really eager to hear is the simulated 3D from a 2ch or 5.1/7.1 source.

Anyway neat stuff. Eager to see how much traction this gains.

Last question. If I have a choice of VOG or center height from the spare subwoofer output, which is more impactful? I'm using an 8" Coaxial with great wide dispersion over the MLP row of seats. Downside is lower than standard ceilings due to drop ceiling on the 1st floor, but the Coaxial will provide good wide 360 degree dispersion unlike a horn.


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If I have a choice of VOG or center height from the spare subwoofer output, which is more impactful? I'm using an 8" Coaxial with great wide dispersion over the MLP row of seats. Downside is lower than standard ceilings due to drop ceiling on the 1st floor, but the Coaxial will provide good wide 360 degree dispersion unlike a horn.
You will already have 4 speakers high up on the walls. A fifth speaker high up on the wall is not going to make as much of a difference as VOG speakers (plural because a single VOG speaker is not a good idea acoustically).
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You will already have 4 speakers high up on the walls. A fifth speaker high up on the wall is not going to make as much of a difference as VOG speakers (plural because a single VOG speaker is not a good idea acoustically).


Gotchya. Thanks for the great info. Looking forward to this.


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Got Inferno in 4K yesterday. It has Atmos on the 4K disc, and Auro 3D on the BD disc



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Hello @All ! Have a 7011 newly arrived and I'm running for setting/installing Vog speaker(s?). Can I kindly ask to @sdurani to elaborate a bit more into the plural used in his msg. nr 4627? How to do it? Two mono channel output? Dimensions with respect to the other height speakers? Why for doubling?
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(plural because a single VOG speaker is not a good idea acoustically).
Auro 3D (10.1) is designed to be used with one VOG, not more.
Non of the HT Auro setups have more then 1 VOG, 2 seats with the VOG in the middle.
I can understand when you have more then 2 seats, you want more VOG spread to get it even on all the seats and start to use more VOG speakers.
But in general its design is for 1 VOG.


Even in some lager seating/speaker setups it can be done with just one VOG placed high.
The "best" option for one VOG will be a concentric speaker.
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Auro 3D (10.1) is designed to be used with one VOG, not more.
Non of the HT Auro setups have more then 1 VOG, 2 seats with the VOG in the middle.
I can understand when you have more then 2 seats, you want more VOG spread to get it even on all the seats and start to use more VOG speakers.
But in general its design is for 1 VOG.


Even in some lager seating/speaker setups it can be done with just one VOG placed high.
The "best" option for one VOG will be a concentric speaker.
Auro guidelines specify the use of 2 VOG's as an option especially if you have low ceilings.
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Auro guidelines specify the use of 2 VOG's as an option especially if you have low ceilings.

Sure, there are allways "special cases"
In a standard size (european sized) room there is no need for more then 1 VOG in a single 3 seat bench or 2 seat MLP with a normal height ceiling.
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I have system set in the basement like, it's 2.5 meters high! Going to work on it right now! Two seats Mlp!
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Got Inferno in 4K yesterday. It has Atmos on the 4K disc, and Auro 3D on the BD disc



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Ok! So how you get it? I can't find it any where, mine is only in atmos 4k and blu ray is dts. Is yours region free ? I'm in the USA .
Please tell! And I must commend you for the things you find and come up with. Thanks Nalleh!
My room has 29 speakers combined top&bottom layers,plus 8 subs and I'm a big fan of Auro 3D so you know how it goes. We need more encoded with Auro 3D.
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What exactly is "5.1" AURO 3D though?
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What exactly is "5.1" AURO 3D though?

Exact the same as any other 5.1 setup.
Then you can use only Auro 2D, or Auro (3D) 9.1 with Height speakers.
Auro 3D starts to become interesting at 10.1, with VOG.
Or lower setups if you are a big Music fan, Auro-Matic makes less use of the center channel, for some a big plus for Music use, compared to NeuralX and/or DSU.
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Can I kindly ask to @sdurani to elaborate a bit more into the plural used in his msg. nr 4627? How to do it? Two mono channel output? Dimensions with respect to the other height speakers? Why for doubling?
If you hear something louder in your left ear than your right ear, you know that the sound is coming from your left. If you hear something louder in your right ear than your left ear, you know that sound is coming from your right. If you hear the sound equally in both ears, you know the sound is directly in front of you. But is it?

A single speaker directly above you will be heard equally in both ears and the automatic reflex of our human hearing is to perceive that sound directly in front of us. The phenomenon is referred to as imaging reversal. The solution is simple: play that mono signal through two speakers, spread at least 60 degrees apart. On Denon/Marantz gear, the VOG channel is played back from the second subwoofer output. Since you're going to have to connect it to an external amp anyway, use a y-splitter to connect it to two amp channels and two speakers. IF you don't have more than one amp channel, wire the speakers in series.

BTW, the reversal problem had come up in the late 1990s, with the introduction of 6.1-channel soundtracks. Even though they had a mono surround-back channel, Dolby and DTS and THX all recommended playing that channel through two speakers. It was the only channel for which two speakers were recommended. If you see an Auro home theatre demo at a trade show, the VOG channel will typically be played back through more than one VOG speaker. Likewise, all the Auro movie theatres around me use at least 4 speakers to play back the VOG channel.
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Likewise, all the Auro movie theatres around me use at least 4 speakers to play back the VOG channel.
Indeed Auro movie theatres..........


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A single speaker directly above you will be heard equally in both ears and the automatic reflex of our human hearing is to perceive that sound directly in front of us.

I have one VOG exact in the middle of 2 seats, no problem hearing sound coming from the VOG at all.
But i do boost it in volume......

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Where did you get inferno ?
Amazion DE?
Amazion uk
Is,it worth it for the sound as it got bad reviews,
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Ok! So how you get it? I can't find it any where, mine is only in atmos 4k and blu ray is dts. Is yours region free ? I'm in the USA .
Please tell! And I must commend you for the things you find and come up with. Thanks Nalleh!
My room has 29 speakers combined top&bottom layers,plus 8 subs and I'm a big fan of Auro 3D so you know how it goes. We need more encoded with Auro 3D.
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Where did you get inferno ?
Amazion DE?
Amazion uk
Is,it worth it for the sound as it got bad reviews,
I got mine here in Norway, and it is region B and C.

According to Auro:

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Bulgaria- 2/16/17
Portugal- 2/13/17
Australia- 1/18/17
Denmark- 3/2/17
Finland- 2/27/17
Romania- 2/16/17
Sweden- 2/27/17
Poland- 2/15/17
Hungary- 2/16/17
Czech Republic- 2/15/17
Norway- 2/27/17
Turkey- 2/15/17
Greece- 2/13/17
But how to get it internationally, i do not know.

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I got mine here in Norway, and it is region B and C.

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But how to get it internationally, i do not know.
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How about thru Amazon? I'll give it a try.

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I got mine here in Norway, and it is region B and C.

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But how to get it internationally, i do not know.
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How about thru Amazon? I'll give it a try.

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I bought one on Ebay it is coming from Poland should be here in a week or so, there are a lot of versions listed you just have to make sure it is the one with Auro3D.
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Thanks @sdurani @CBdicX ! I am testing equipment as I do not want to upgrade and waste the cost of Auro fw if I have to send it back! On a side note, if I am not wrong, I red there had been a new Auro fw on the first days of January, pushed to the 2016 Marantz only. Is this true? Did this happened?
Going back to the heights ( and VoG ) channels, I am using the loudspeakers from a previous 5.1 system, so the VoG speaker is the center one. Speakers aren't minimal, and center one is bigger than the (ex)satellites. I will test system with old amplifier they came with, but I am looking for an used more modern A/V receiver, with external pre inputs. Or, if you have any inputs, on a budget new model! Research, research, but not less than 2015 Marantz models, around.
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Thanks @sdurani @CBdicX ! I am testing equipment as I do not want to upgrade and waste the cost of Auro fw if I have to send it back! On a side note, if I am not wrong, I red there had been a new Auro fw on the first days of January, pushed to the 2016 Marantz only. Is this true? Did this happened?
Going back to the heights ( and VoG ) channels, I am using the loudspeakers from a previous 5.1 system, so the VoG speaker is the center one. Speakers aren't minimal, and center one is bigger than the (ex)satellites. I will test system with old amplifier they came with, but I am looking for an used more modern A/V receiver, with external pre inputs. Or, if you have any inputs, on a budget new model! Research, research, but not less than 2015 Marantz models, around.
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No "cheap" receiver with Auro.
With D&M it starts with Auro from mid/high to high cost receivers.
Other brands with Auro possibility cost far more then D&M.
For Denon it starts with the X4300H and Marantz SR7011.
You can get some older models with Auro (update) like the X4200W and SR7009.
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Sorry, maybe I haven't been clear. I have Sr7011 in test atm. I am running a 7.1.4 speaker setup with fronts powered from an external stereo amplifier. I would like to power all the ceiling 4 plus VoG channel with another A/V amplifier, to be found, yet. The old Sacd Philips A/V amp that I also own is not anymore so ... silent!
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Sorry, maybe I haven't been clear. I have Sr7011 in test atm. I am running a 7.1.4 speaker setup with fronts powered from an external stereo amplifier. I would like to power all the ceiling 4 plus VoG channel with another A/V amplifier, to be found, yet. The old Sacd Philips A/V amp that I also own is not anymore so ... silent!
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The Denon AVR X6300H will power all spaekers, as this is a 11 channel amp (Auro 10.1)
VOG will be used from Subwoofer 2 pre-out with a external amp.
Or if you skip SB, SB can be used by VOG also, then no need for an external amp for VOG, just the 6300.
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The Denon AVR X6300H will power all spaekers, as this is a 11 channel amp (Auro 10.1)
VOG will be used from Subwoofer 2 pre-out with a external amp.
Or if you skip SB, SB can be used by VOG also, then no need for an external amp for VOG, just the 6300.
Is it possible to use SB for VOG on the SR7011 too? I hate the idea of having only one subwoofer channel for LFE which has to be split. Otherwise I might have to assign a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the job. I think it is an error in design to use one of the sub preouts for the top channel, because as far as I can tell people using Auro-3D are more likely to have 2 or more subwoofers as well. Mostly because it is a paid upgrade that has a tendency of being picked up by the more enthusiast type of customer.
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Unfortunately second sub pre-out need to be sacrificed.
I hate that idea to, hence don't have VOG.
But have 4 subwoofers 😀
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Is it possible to use SB for VOG on the SR7011 too? I hate the idea of having only one subwoofer channel for LFE which has to be split. Otherwise I might have to assign a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the job. I think it is an error in design to use one of the sub preouts for the top channel, because as far as I can tell people using Auro-3D are more likely to have 2 or more subwoofers as well. Mostly because it is a paid upgrade that has a tendency of being picked up by the more enthusiast type of customer.
I am an enthusiast customer, but sorry to say, i have just one (1) sub
I would never want to skip VOG for 2 subs, Auro3D without VOG makes no sence to me.
If a sub is placed correct, one will (could) be enough in a normal sized room.
Denon can do Surround Back for VOG (i use this for now as i do not use SB), so you can keep using the 2 Subwoofer outs.
If Denon can, Marantz can also

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