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@Lesmor . Do you have any advice on a good retail source for BR discs in Germany, Europe, UK. I travel to somewhere in Europe once a year and would like to purchase some Auro discs. In the US, I would recommend Best Buy for a visitor for an easy source. Is there an equivalent(s) in Europe? My next trip is to Toulouse and Bilbao in September.
Germany: Amazon.de (by far your best bet for Auro 3D titles)
France: Amazon.fr or FNAC.FR
UK: Amazon.co.uk (you should be able to get Pixels there, I did, but beware only the 2D version is with Auro 3D as far as I remember), WowHD.co.uk, zoom.co.uk, zaavi.com
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@Ted99 my experience with Auromatic upmixing is similar to yours. I believe you will find that dts Neural X does the best job with the types of effects you describe [but can be too aggressive at times]. Auromatic doesn't extract effects from the base layer like Dolby Surround and Neural X. With DS upmixing there is only L&R height as all heights receive the same audio. Neural X supports 4 discrete heights. Automatic is copying entire channels in its algorithm, with no extraction. I like being able to adjust the Auro effect level. DS and Neural X are not user adjustable aside from Center Spread ON/OFF.

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I don't think anyone on AVS would want to see Auro fail - hopefully. We are talking about receivers/pres and amps on this thread, not what's happening in a movie theater and going head to head with Dolby is an uphill climb at best be at home or a movie theater.
Auro3D 11.1 is actually beginning to penetrate the U.S. market, renamed Barco 11.1. Cinemark is now equiping their XD screens with 11.1. These screens are using Auromatic to upmix any non-native tracks including the previews. According to Wikipedia, the major titles I am interested in have native Auro3D tracks for the Cinema.

IME, you must be seated within a sweet-zone for Atmos cinema presentations for a satisfying experience. The Auro3D 11.1 seems to offer a more consistent experience to wider zone. So far, I am preferring the Auro3D 11.1 Cinematic experience.

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Maze Runner: The Death Cure
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Pacific Rim Uprising
Ready Player One
Avengers: Infinity War
Solo: A Star Wars Story
Incredibles 2
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Mission: Impossible – Fallout
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Germany: Amazon.de (by far your best bet for Auro 3D titles)
France: Amazon.fr or FNAC.FR
UK: Amazon.co.uk (you should be able to get Pixels there, I did, but beware only the 2D version is with Auro 3D as far as I remember), WowHD.co.uk, zoom.co.uk, zaavi.com
Spain: Amazon.es
I appreciate the e-tailer advice, but I am going to look for physical stores while in Europe. I am wondering if there are any chains of physical stores that have large stocks of Blu Rays. I would really like to find an Auro of Blade Runner 2049 and do an A:B with my Atmos disc.
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I appreciate the e-tailer advice, but I am going to look for physical stores while in Europe. I am wondering if there are any chains of physical stores that have large stocks of Blu Rays. I would really like to find an Auro of Blade Runner 2049 and do an A:B with my Atmos disc.
In france FNAC is your best bet. I doubt they'll have german imports of titles with Auro 3D that are available in their French edition in Atmos.

You problably have to go to Germany or Belgium if you want to shop for Auro 3D titles in a physical store.

Not sure why you're looking for a physical store though, unless you don't stay in the country long enough to get a delivery from an e-tailer. It's not as if we didn't know what the few Auro 3D titles are, and where to order them from.

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In france FNAC is your best bet. I doubt they'll have german imports of titles with Auro 3D that are available in their French edition in Atmos.

You problably have to go to Germany or Belgium if you want to shop for Auro 3D titles in a physical store.

Not sure why you're looking for a physical store though, unless you don't stay in the country long enough to get a delivery from an e-tailer. It's not as if we didn't know what the few Auro 3D titles are, and where to order them from.
You hit the nail on the head--no fixed address, a new day, a new town. I'll be in Belgium (also SW Germany--flying into Frankfurt) in 2019. What kind of store is FNAC? What kinds of stores sell Blu Rays? Bookstores?

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I am still considering getting Jumanji welcome to the jungle UHD from Amazon.de (Germany) purley due to having both a Dolby Atmos and Auro disc
Expensive but as I have just added the Auro firmware to my Denon 8500 and as a one off buy for demo purposes I might just bite the bullet
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I guess this won’t help any, but these are countries that get the Auro on Jumanji
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You hit the nail on the head--no fixed address, a new day, a new town. I'll be in Belgium (also SW Germany--flying into Frankfurt) in 2019. What kind of store is FNAC? What kinds of stores sell Blu Rays? Bookstores?
FNAC sells records, films, books, electronics, it's a big chain and they have the biggest selection of films in store, but again not sure they'll have a German import of BR49 if it's released in Atmos in France. Look at the website, you'll see what they carry and you'll find addresses of the stores in your region.

Apart from FNAC, supermarkets will have blurays but they will tend to be a few blockbusters. I haven't bought blurays in a store in France for a while, I left the country 10 years ago and only go there on holiday, so if I need something there I usually order from Fnac.fr or Amazon.fr and get it delivered in the UK, simpler and more convenient than going to a store.
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You hit the nail on the head--no fixed address, a new day, a new town. I'll be in Belgium (also SW Germany--flying into Frankfurt) in 2019. What kind of store is FNAC? What kinds of stores sell Blu Rays? Bookstores?
If you are going to Belgium might be worth checking if you are anywhere near Galaxy studios, the home of Auro
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If you are going to Belgium might be worth checking if you are anywhere near Galaxy studios, the home of Auro
Yes, perhaps pick up one of those "free" demo discs that cost about $30 to ship to the US
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Same cost to deliver them in Europe, btw!

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Same cost to deliver them in Europe, btw!
Yes, this is why I didn't buy one. I suggested they send their free disc by normal post for a couple of euros, as I really don't need Fedex and can wait a few weeks for delivery, but weirdly they refused.
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You have been posting on this thread for over 2 years. Why haven't you jumped previously? Which Auro processors were you considering prior to the recent development of Dolby restricting upmixing?
None really since they hadn't arrived at the desired point on the VIDEO side. This year's Denon - when it's hardware updated - will be enough on the video side to last 10-15 years.
Also, it's Auro3D 11.1 I'm looking for. And I prefer is amps can be switched off fully, as I'm using external power amps. X8500H looks to be the first real candidate.

Besides, I've also been saving money - the generation shift costs like a new car (speakers, receiver, additional power amp, HD BluRay player, 4K projector, possibly new screen material).
Just the middle layer side surround speakers would put me back $5000... then middle layer fronts/center costs that EACH.

And besides everything else is getting a price hit in Europe, as a Swede I'm also taxed to death...

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Also, I don't think any company makes money from licenses when you buy a AVR/AVP second-hand. Why not buy second-hand?
Pity that Oppo is leaving the business then... but I guess that could make them good candidate for 2nd hand in a while. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Auro and Dolby Enabled speakers.

Still strange to see with my Denon X8500H Auro is not willing to do 4x DE speakers
Dolby can do 4x DE speakers with Top Middle.
Also Top Middle can not be set to VOG.
Think its exit for me concerning Auro, they are to difficult in speakers setup.

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Auro and Dolby Enabled speakers.

Still strange to see with my Denon X8500H Auro is not willing to do DE speakers at all
Dolby can do 4x DE speakers with Top Middle.
Also Top Middle can not be set to VOG.
Think its exit for me concerning Auro, they are to difficult in speakers setup.
Strange indeed especially as p. 319 of the Owner's manual indicates it is possible, although it would seem Auro 3D is limited to only 2 sets of DE speakers.
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Strange indeed especially as p. 319 of the Owner's manual indicates it is possible, although it would seem Auro 3D is limited to only 2 sets of DE speakers.

You are correct that Auro will do just 2 DE speakers on the Surrounds with VOG.
Do not understand why they are so stuck in not doing what a user wants.
Its longer a wish to use also (4) DE in Auro, now with the X8500H they could do it and also use Top Middle as VOG, but no.
To bad Auro is making this difficult.


I can set the custom setup to 4 DE speakers and Top Middle for Auro, but Auro will not do Top Middle, even on screen the text will say Dolby, DTS and Auro.
No option to change Top Middle to Top Surround (VOG).


For me the reason to stay with Dolby, with Dolby i can do 4x DE with Top Middle (or whatever setup i want).
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I have Auro available on my Denon 4400, but only have a 5.1 setup, so I can only access Auro-2D. I do like how it sounds for stereo sources . . more of a "stereo on steroids" presence than a full surround, such as Dolby Surround or DTS: Neural X. Any audiophiles have thoughts as to comparison of these different surround modes?

Tried Auro 2D on Stereo sources and its good, i like the way it moves the music more the the front speakers.
But........
If you set Dolby to Center Spread its doing exact the same.
Also moving the (stereo) music more to the front speakers and less from de center.


As setting Dolby to center spread it will do this to ALL sources that will have a stereo based sound.
So if i set DCS it will also be active on TV programs, and i do not like that.
This can not be saved for specific sources, think its a bug thats active for years now
So to avoid this you can use Auro 2D on stereo and if you want all your speakers to work, also the Height speaker in a 5.1.4 setup, then use Dolby and lower the center by 3 dB and up the fronts by 3 dB and you have the "Auro 2D effect" but with the Height speakers also working.


So for the Auro effect most users talk about on stereo, its not something magical Auro is doing, you can do this also with Dolby and DTS if you want and save the settings.
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Solutions: The Oppo universal players allow switching between bitstream and PCM on the fly. Players that don't can be set to PCM at all times to bypass any upmixing restrictions. Because Auro3D is interleaved within the LPCM stream, even if compressed with dts-HD MA, it will still be decoded as Auro3D if unpacked to PCM in the Blu-ray player.
I was actually prepared to «arrest you» on that statement, but i had to test for myself first, and you are right: regarding native Auro 3D, it doesn’t matter if the player is set to bitstream or PCM, Auro works either way

Here is same movie with player set to bitstream, notice DTS HD:



And PCM:



Notice «signal» and active speakers on input signal.
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I downloaded a demo of the videogame Zone of Enders: Mars which is playable in VR and I noticed that it was listed as coming with Auro3d sound. So I guess that can be added to the list. Its for the PS4.
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Does anyone have any of titles with both Atmos and Auro3D? Comparison impressions? Pixels is the only comparison I remember reading.
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The only Auro3D titles I have are the demo discs, Red Tails, and the Diablo music sampler.

I would love music recommendations. I truly enjoy many of the musical selections on the demo discs.
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Does someone has a recommendation out of the last monthly Auro 3 D newsletter regarding some new music edited in 9.1 Auro3D multichannel audio? I mean, has someone actually heard them and enjoyed listening? I mean
Hoff Ensemble, Polarity 2L - 145


New music release in Auro 9.1,
High resolution 96kHz/24bit

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Does anyone have any of titles with both Atmos and Auro3D? Comparison impressions? Pixels is the only comparison I remember reading.
@Nalleh ?

The only Auro3D titles I have are the demo discs, Red Tails, and the Diablo music sampler.

I would love music recommendations. I truly enjoy many of the musical selections on the demo discs.
I have them all . (Movies that is)

Earlier Auro had the lacking surround backs, but now that that is fixed there is no downsides to Auro. In my comparisons of the Atmos vs Auro tracks they both sound rather similar, only Auro can not only convey height, but also depth. By that i mean that you can hear how far away/above the sound is, so if for example if you hear two airplanes from above, you can hear a difference in how high they both are. Pretty cool actually. Also in ambiance, for example in the jungle in Jumanji, it sounds more real in Auro.

And i feel the LFE is a little hotter too in the Auro tracks. Haven’t measured that, but i notice it each movie.

However, if both tracks is drawn from the same mix, or each is started from scratch is another issue. I seem to remember someone mentioning something about that earlier.

Auro have mostly classical music releases, but the Tiesto and Licthmond in the pic is pretty cool
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No, I only have 2 films in Auro3D and usually apply Auromatic to 2 channel music (Tidal or Spotify and Audiophile network 6 radios in Tunein for example). That was the reason for the request, specially for the last releases included in the newsletter.
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Where/how to buy movies in Auro3D from the U.S.?

Can someone please provide a link or two for where I can buy movies in Auro3D? For instance, I would like to purchase Rise of the Guardians and Lucy in Auro3D. A few people have told me I can purchase these from Amazon.de when I asked here a few weeks ago, but I was not able to figure it out. There are two challenges I am facing:

1. I cannot tell from the Amazon.de pages whether the movie is actually in the Auro3D format or not. For instance when I go here https://www.amazon.de/H%C3%BCter-Lic...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 the specifications only show this "Italian (Dolby Digital 5.1), Dutch (Dolby Digital 5.1), German (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby TrueHD 7.1), French (Dolby Digital 5.1), Flemish (Dolby Digital 5.1)" - notice it does not list Auro3D, and for English it only shows the TrueHD 7.1, which is the same as what you get from the U.S. Amazon site. There is another version of this disc listed here https://www.amazon.de/5-Leggende-ani...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 which shows less languages but again no Auro3D.

2. In many cases like here https://www.amazon.de/H%C3%BCter-Lic...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 it says "This item does not ship to the United States." and the Learn More link talks about export restrictions.

If someone can help me understand how to properly identify the Auro3D versions of movies and where they can be purchased, I'd greatly appreciate it. I wrote to Auro3D a couple weeks ago to ask about it, but there was no response.

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Can someone please provide a link or two for where I can buy movies in Auro3D? For instance, I would like to purchase Rise of the Guardians and Lucy in Auro3D. A few people have told me I can purchase these from Amazon.de when I asked here a few weeks ago, but I was not able to figure it out. There are two challenges I am facing:

1. I cannot tell from the Amazon.de pages whether the movie is actually in the Auro3D format or not. For instance when I go here https://www.amazon.de/H%C3%BCter-Lic...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 the specifications only show this "Italian (Dolby Digital 5.1), Dutch (Dolby Digital 5.1), German (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby TrueHD 7.1), French (Dolby Digital 5.1), Flemish (Dolby Digital 5.1)" - notice it does not list Auro3D, and for English it only shows the TrueHD 7.1, which is the same as what you get from the U.S. Amazon site. There is another version of this disc listed here https://www.amazon.de/5-Leggende-ani...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 which shows less languages but again no Auro3D.

2. In many cases like here https://www.amazon.de/H%C3%BCter-Lic...9&sr=8-1-fkmr1 it says "This item does not ship to the United States." and the Learn More link talks about export restrictions.

If someone can help me understand how to properly identify the Auro3D versions of movies and where they can be purchased, I'd greatly appreciate it. I wrote to Auro3D a couple weeks ago to ask about it, but there was no response.

Thanks!!
Why do you keep asking about those movies in Auro? They are not released in Auro for Bluray! Cinema release only!


I had posted this list numerous times, and this are THE COMPLETE list(so so far)of BD and UHD. No more, no less. And this includes the links to where to buy.



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Why do you keep asking about those movies in Auro? They are not released in Auro for Bluray! Cinema release only!
Because people keep pointing me here saying it is possible. I didn't realize that some are available in Auro only in commercial releases, while some are on the Blu-ray.

Just to clarify - let's take a look at your link for Jumangi... On the Amazon.de page, under the specifications, it says "Language: Russian (Dolby Digital 5.1), German (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1), French (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)". Despite it not listing Auro3D, it is confirmed that it contains Auro3D? And is it available in English Auro3D, or you have to use a foreign language with subtitles? Thanks again.
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Because people keep pointing me here saying it is possible. I didn't realize that some are available in Auro only in commercial releases, while some are on the Blu-ray.

Just to clarify - let's take a look at your link for Jumangi... On the Amazon.de page, under the specifications, it says "Language: Russian (Dolby Digital 5.1), German (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1), French (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)". Despite it not listing Auro3D, it is confirmed that it contains Auro3D? And is it available in English Auro3D, or you have to use a foreign language with subtitles? Thanks again.
Confirmed ! I have these exact discs.

All english or english subs, exept Bowling Balls, Pippa and Salyut 7 (not even english subs on these).

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https://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/ for titles (many include links of where to buy).

www.amazon.de via chrome and let Google translate to English.

Buy "Sale and shipping by Amazon" for importing to US.
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